Why do you fail to understand OVERALL? It's not about who's hot for 1-2 years, it's the LAST 20 YEARS. Whether Mariah's peak was long ago, or recently -- she's done better than Beyonce the last 20 years OVERALL.
Sweetheart, Daydream isn't an R&B album. AT ALL. In any way. It is POP music.
K.
But anyways, I feel as if she's always been more Pop/R&B. That's not to say that she isn't an R&B artist or strictly a Pop artist, but her music basically straddles both worlds(as it should as that's where she shines.)
Less than 300k, and it came out 4 years before TEOM. TEOM will catch up.
And really? Alicia hasn't had a bigger career in R&B than Mariah so it doesn't matter.
It won't catch up because TEOM is a HORRIBLE catalog seller. Like actually horrendous. It sold 5.9 million at the end of 2006. Did it ever cross 6 million?
Alicia is a great catalog seller. SIAM also sold through BMG club, its closer to 7 million.
Alicia is a respected R&B artist. Everyone basically considers her a legend already (and have since she broke out because of her stupid piano). Songs like Fallin' - an ACTUAL R&B classic - and If I Ain't Got You >>>>>>>>>>
Mariah is never doing it. She belongs with Celine and Whitney and is apart of the diva vocalists.
You're not making any sense. She can't be the QUEEN overall when multiple R&B artists outperformed her on the charts for an entire decade.
If we're giving the title of QUEEN to somebody in R&B it would obviously go to Mary or Beyoncé, not Mariah. She's never been called an R&B queen.
Aretha? Yes
Mary? Yes
Tina? Yes
Beyoncé? Yes
Mariah? NO
Her influence in R&B music is smaller than theirs.
A DECADE IS NOT 20 YEARS OVERALL.
This is remedial on a new level. They could've outdone her the last decade, BUT OVERALL.....THEY HAVE NOT SURPASSED HER CAREER. Is that hard to understand?
Aretha and Tina....this is from '90s-'10's why are they even in this discussion?
It won't catch up because TEOM is a HORRIBLE catalog seller. Like actually horrendous. It sold 5.9 million at the end of 2006. Did it ever cross 6 million?
Alicia is a great catalog seller. SIAM also sold through BMG club, its closer to 7 million.
Alicia is a respected R&B artist. Everyone basically considers her a legend already (and have since she broke out because of her stupid piano). Songs like Fallin' - an ACTUAL R&B classic - and If I Ain't Got You >>>>>>>>>>
Mariah is never doing it. She belongs with Celine and Whitney and is apart of the diva vocalists.
How are you gonna call Fallin' and If I Ain't Got You a classic, but discredit Fantasy and Always Be My Baby?
This is remedial on a new level. They could've outdone her the last decade, BUT OVERALL.....THEY HAVE NOT SURPASSED HER CAREER. Is that hard to understand?
Aretha and Tina....this is from '90s-'10's why are they even in this discussion?
You are embarrassing yourself.
And that decade is included in that 20 years
Aretha & Tina have been given the title Queens of R&B before. Mariah never has.
Aretha & Tina have been given the title Queens of R&B before. Mariah never has.
And why can't you realize THE 90'S was also included in the last 20 years. What is not popping in your brain that helps you realize "Beyonce may have sold more recently, but with the 90's added in Mariah has still outsold her?". The receipts have even been given to you, and you're still delusional.
Once again, this thread asks "Are Usher & Mariah Carey the new King/Queen of R&B (past 20 years of R&B)?".
They may have been given the title, but this is of artists that have been popular the past 20 years.
I have never (and will never) heard anyone call Mariah the Queen of R&B. Just pull up a few reputable articles for me and I'll stop.
Mary J Blige, Alicia Keys, and Beyonce all fit the bill more than Mariah for this title.
Exactly.
He dragged JT for not being R&B enough, but Mariah has a pass
Mariah is a vocal diva, but her music has no acclaim, no respect, no musical/artistic influence on the genre. She is a powerhouse vocalist singing crappy, cheesy love songs. Her only impact is that x factor contestants got a few songs where they can show off their vocal abilities.
He dragged JT for not being R&B enough, but Mariah has a pass
Mariah is a vocal diva, but her music has no acclaim, no respect, no musical/artistic influence on the genre. She is a powerhouse vocalist singing crappy, cheesy love songs. Her only impact is that x factor contestants got a few songs where they can show off their vocal abilities.
Damn lies, lies, and more lies.
How are you gonna try to make Mariah Carey of all people on a lower level than Justin Timberlake?
Mariah Carey has some of the most iconic songs of all-time, one of the best-selling artists ever, and a well known legend. Don't even try it.
And hun, I'm sure Mariah has more impact on American Idol where she got $20 million just to judge 1 season, rather than X-Factor.
You literally posted a Wikipedia page that lists Adele as "Queen of Soul" , Janet as "Queen of Pop", and Celine Dion as "Queen of Pop".
You know you're wrong, so that's the end of it. Mariah has sold more, you tried to run with an argument on Beyonce selling more which was clearly wrong. It's a known fact Mariah has sold more too, so it reflects yourself.
How are you gonna try to make Mariah Carey of all people on a lower level than Justin Timberlake?
Mariah Carey has some of the most iconic songs of all-time, one of the best-selling artists ever, and a well known legend. Don't even try it.
And hun, I'm sure Mariah has more impact on American Idol where she got $20 million just to judge 1 season, rather than X-Factor.
Vocal legend. But there is no respect or acclaim for her music, nor is there musical influence. JT, R.Kelly, Mary J. Blige and Bey all have it, she doesnt. She is in the same category as Celine.
Vocal legend. But there is no respect or acclaim for her music, nor is there musical influence. JT, R.Kelly, Mary J. Blige and Bey all have it, she doesnt. She is in the same category as Celine.
Are you serious?
You said Mariah doesn't have musical influence, yet Beyonce does.
Beyonce HERSELF said she heard Mariah Carey, and started singing because of her. Therefore there wouldn't be Beyonce without Mariah.
yes, she is more of an icon among pop vocalists with celine and whitney and i think it is more valuable title in very long term than queen of sth, similar value to madonna who is "queen of pop"
You said Mariah doesn't have musical influence, yet Beyonce does.
Beyonce HERSELF said she heard Mariah Carey, and started singing because of her. Therefore there wouldn't be Beyonce without Mariah.
End of discussion.
True but not exactly, christina and britney also stated that they adored to mariah, but after mariah fell, they acted like "don't care about her". Mariah also affected rihanna, she stated her love for mariah throughout her career and more than beyonce.
Alicia hasn't had a bigger career in R&B than Mariah so it doesn't matter.
