[Javan]

Originally posted by TikiMiss

I'm not trying to stick up for rednecks, but they are probably as close to being as downtrodden a group of people as the average black person (of course, I'm not saying that they are anywhere near equal in oppression). Rednecks = poor, illiterate, and pretty much the bottom of the barrel in terms of society throughout U.S. history. While they obviously didn't have to go through racism, social/institutional oppression and stereotypes abounds all the same.

And I don't see any satisfactory conclusion that can be reached mutually from an argument where one side is continuously using events from hundreds of years ago to base an argument. The other side was not alive then and will never feel personally responsible for things their ancestors may or may not have done. That's not just my opinion, but it's pretty much a natural thought process. I think, however, it is fair and necessary to point out ongoing inequalities and oppression/racism.

I just hate when the history books get dredged out because there is nothing this current generation says, on both sides, that can base the majority of its argument on 19th century (and beyond) events/tragedies. It adds nothing, imo

Not quite sure what this post means but I'll ask you this:
Did you know that slavery has a legacy?
Why shouldn't white people be held with a bit of accountability for their ancestors actions when not only do they benefit from it, but they continue to perpetuate it?

[BVB4Lyf]

Originally posted by TikiMiss

I agree with the prison industrial complex being close to a modern form of slavery. Personally, I think the war on drugs is ludicrous and that all drugs, including meth, cocaine, etc. should be legal or at least de-criminalized severely. + incarcerating young men in the drug trade only adds to violence, territorial disputes, and a cycle of poverty and fatherlessness that currently ails the urban community.

I don't, however, see why we can't base our arguments off of these facts/inequalities instead of dredging up things from the times of Harriet Tubman.

sorry, i hadn't meant to focus solely on "the times of Harriet Tubman," i had meant everything from the beginnings of european colonization that started the racism and oppression, unto the modern age.

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I hope teh watermelon was sweet

[Gangsta4alife]

Originally posted by TikiMiss

I'm not trying to stick up for rednecks, but they are probably as close to being as downtrodden a group of people as the average black person (of course, I'm not saying that they are anywhere near equal in oppression). Rednecks = poor, illiterate, and pretty much the bottom of the barrel in terms of society throughout U.S. history. While they obviously didn't have to go through racism, social/institutional oppression and stereotypes abounds all the same.

If you didn't want to stick up for rednecks you wouldn't have wrote the rest of that long paragraph. All it confirmed to me was my original statements that they haven't faced racial, social and institutional racism on the same level as blacks. Moving on

And I don't see any satisfactory conclusion that can be reached mutually from an argument where one side is continuously using events from hundreds of years ago to base an argument. The other side was not alive then and will never feel personally responsible for things their ancestors may or may not have done. That's not just my opinion, but it's pretty much a natural thought process. I think, however, it is fair and necessary to point out ongoing inequalities and oppression/racism.

And this where you and I must disagree. I do think it's necessary to bring up that argument as a necessary explanation for the other side, as to why rednecks in the past or now will never face discrimination in the way blacks do. As far as feeling personally responsible for what their ancestors did or didn't do is not the point. The point is to stress the fact as to why that conclusion was drawn and was a relevant point to be made.

I just hate when the history books get dredged out because there is nothing this current generation says, on both sides, that can base the majority of its argument on 19th century (and beyond) events/tragedies. It adds nothing, imo

The fact you think that bringing to light past atrocities which are responsible to why discrimination is such a huge force today. As well as why we have the stereotypes we do, to why I have faced huge amounts of racism simply for just existing. Not only is alarming but sad. You can't dismiss the past especially when it affects the current because it means nothing to you

[Artemisia]

White people must be stopped.

[TikiMiss]

Originally posted by Javan

Not quite sure what this post means but I'll ask you this:
Did you know that slavery has a legacy?
Why shouldn't white people be held with a bit of accountability of their ancestors actions when not only do they benefit from it, but they continue to perpetuate it?

white people today did not choose to be white
white people today never owned slaves
yes, slavery has a legacy, but it's not the FAULT of the current generation of whites for that legacy, just as it isn't the fault of the current generation of Germans for Hitler or the Japanese for their atrocities during WWII
There are, however, inequalities from this current day and age that can be addressed that don't draw back to events that are not caused by any current generation

[bijonse]

why are people this stupid in 2014

and also why are people in here trying to play this off as not offensive

[lasersss]

We can see which side is losing in this thread why not close it?

[Blue.]

Originally posted by TikiMiss

wait, what?

There are no native black people in Argentina.
Back in 1800, as one of SA most prominent colonies, there were plentjes but during the early 1900s the yellow fever struck Buenos Aires from the portuary areas.
The wealthy families ran to the norther outskirts of the cities leaving their mansions behind, which were illegally occupied by poor people, mostly black.
It wasn't long before the fever struck them, and with no money to pay for doctors or medicine, all of them died.

[TikiMiss]

Originally posted by Gangsta4alife

If you didn't want to stick up for rednecks you wouldn't have wrote the rest of that long paragraph. All it confirmed to me was my original statements that they haven't faced racial, social and institutional racism on the same level as blacks. Moving on



And this where you and I must disagree. I do think it's necessary to bring up that argument as a necessary explanation for the other side, as to why rednecks in the past or now will never face discrimination in the way blacks do. As far as feeling personally responsible for what their ancestors did or didn't do is not the point. The point is to stress the fact as to why that conclusion was drawn and was a relevant point to be made.



The fact you think that bringing to light past atrocities which are responsible to why discrimination is such a huge force today. As well as why we have the stereotypes we do, to why I have faced huge amounts of racism simply for just existing. Not only is alarming but sad. You can't dismiss the past especially when it affects the current because it means nothing to you

I don't think you make a single bad point. My problem with the overall picture, though, sort of reminds me of arguments that I have with conservatives/evangelicals about homosexuality. In my opinion, being white, like being a homosexual, is an inherited quality. Just as being black is. NO one could help how they were born. Likewise, the society we live in, is more favorable towards whites, just as it is more favorable towards straights. That's just the World we, the currently living beings, inherited. However, I do have a problem with being told that this quality/characteristic/skin-color/sexuality I inherited is representative of a history that I am responsible for. Just as I am not the gay responsible for HIV, I am also not the white person responsible for slavery and oppression in America. Just as some gays are flamboyant while I am not, some white people are racist and I am not.
The reverse, I am sure, is also true for black people. Some people fit stereotypes, others do not.

Being blamed or forced to reckon with a past that I am not personally responsible for does not make me any more sympathetic to the other's cause than I already am. If anything, it just makes me feel like I'm being blamed for something I cannot help. In either case: homosexuality or whiteness.

[Javan]

Originally posted by TikiMiss

There are, however, inequalities from this current day and age that can be addressed that don't draw back to events that are not caused by any current generation

What is you're point? In other words, our generation didn't break it therefore our generation shouldn't have to fix it? Are you that simple minded?

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if white people and only white people didn't benefit from a system our generation was not responsible for?

Why should whites be able face benefits/privileges at the expense of others without any sense of accountability?

[StonedSoulPicnic]

Originally posted by viperial

ugh disgusting, they probably listen to katy perry

Wow.

[TikiMiss]

Originally posted by Javan

What is you're point? In other words, our generation didn't break it therefore our generation shouldn't have to fix it? Are you that simple minded?

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if white people and only white people didn't benefit from a system our generation was not responsible for?

Why should whites be able face benefits/privileges at the expense of others without any sense of accountability?

I cannot help what I inherited. Neither can you. Let's work it out together without arguing about something you think my ancestors did a hundred years before I was born
^ my point

[Javan]

Ddd @ white ppl not wanting to be associated with their ancestors actions but will still happily receive the benefits from them. Can't have your cake and eat it, Annamae.

[Wafflecakes]

Originally posted by Javan

Ddd @ white ppl not wanting to be associated with their ancestors actions but will still happily receive the benefits from them. Can't have your cake and eat it, Annamae.

I agree with you overall, but not on this.

Inherited sin (or valor) is a BS concept that always falls apart on closer inspection.

[Gangsta4alife]

Originally posted by TikiMiss

I don't think you make a single bad point. My problem with the overall picture, though, sort of reminds me of arguments that I have with conservatives/evangelicals about homosexuality. In my opinion, being white, like being a homosexual, is an inherited quality. Just as being black is. NO one could help how they were born.

And at this point your getting off topic and not understand fully my point. When Blue made this comment:

It seems fun, I swear minorities have no sense of humor. As if someone make a fuzz when they dress as redneck.

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rednecks haven't faced hundreds of years of slavery, racism, and oppression.

The past was brought up as a relevant point to explain why the pics in the OP are so offensive. Along with bring up racial tension in this current day and age. We cannot ignore the past especially when it bears it still effects the future. The rest of what you were saying was nothing that I

A. ever stated you were responsible for what your ancestors did
B. I did not agree with those sentiments that Javan and other stated
C. I only criticized your statement of being facetious and acting like it's a negative thing to bring up the past as a learning tool. To explain why things are so offensive because of the long history behind it.
D. As far as being blamed for what you haven't done that's for another day. However you can't deny you benefit from that system in every way in this modern day society.

[Artemisia]

Originally posted by Javan

Ddd @ white ppl not wanting to be associated with their ancestors actions but will still happily receive the benefits from them. Can't have your cake and eat it, Annamae.

Niece, don't expose the yts like that!

[Alvajay]

why is it always white people doing the most, I have yet to hear a story about Latinos, Asians, etc pulling some stupid ass **** like this

[TikiMiss]

Originally posted by Gangsta4alife

And at this point your getting off topic and not understand fully my point. When Blue made this comment:



& Satelites made this reply



The past was brought up as a relevant point to explain why the pics in the OP are so offensive. Along with bring up racial tension in this current day and age. We cannot ignore the past especially when it bears it still effects the future. The rest of what you were saying was nothing that I

A. ever stated you were responsible for what your ancestors did
B. I did not agree with those sentiments that Javan and other stated
C. I only criticized your statement of being facetious and acting like it's a negative thing to bring up the past as a learning tool. To explain why things are so offensive because of the long history behind it.
D. As far as being blamed for what you haven't done that's for another day. However you can't deny you benefit from that system in every way in this modern day society.

I agree, after reading I Am Music's posts, that the stereotypes these children exhibited in the OP do go back to the distant past. However, I doubt most white people know this. It's just one of those stereotypes (like Asian drivers/genitalia, Hispanic laziness, Jewish greed) that people don't really spend as much time tracing back to their racist origins as they should, but are mostly employed for comic relief or out of sheer boredom.

I agree that the past can be a learning tool, but the way it was presented was, to me, as an accusation, which I took as offensive.

I know I benefit from the system. And being gay also makes me see just a TINY SLICE of the layers of inequality black people must feel staring at them from a day to day basis. However, from what I know about politics, it will take a lot of white support/cooperation to make any real changes to the prison system, cycle of poverty, etc. that is affecting black people today, and I don't find support to be as willing when people are made to feel ashamed of or responsible for things they did not commit or set up.

[Ice Cream Skies]

OK, I have to admit, I *screeeeamed* at the "Watermelon Cup".

But overall, this is so messy, so wrong, & so, so, so incredibly brainless.
I'm A) not surprised this is from Arizona State, & B) not surprised this is from a fraternity.