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Originally posted by Javan
ok cool. But how they conduct the study is what I take issue with because it can't see wwhere it says it anywhere. Did they consider studying families from the same economic background/class/age because these are all other huge factors.
I can tell you this, the majority of gay parents adopt. And adopting isn't easy... especially for gay people. Gay people who adopt usually belong to a certain type of class so of course their children are going to "fair well" (by their definition).
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If you read the long pdf I sent you they said "When all things are equal".
You make a valid point, but your own point is testament to same-sex marriage.. All parents that adopt are in general better at parenting, because A) they generally have higher incomes, B) it was planned, and C) the child is guaranteed to have two parents for at least the beginning.
The funny thing is, this will always be the case. Gay men will always have to adopt or do surrogacy (which is more expensive/difficult). Lesbians are also very unlikely to have a child out of a serious relationship either.
So, what is exactly your argument?
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This thread is still going? 
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smh things like this always bring out the bigots and morons. "he has the right to voice his opinion!!!!" yeah and people have the right to drag his ignorant ass...
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Originally posted by Vespertine
If you had been raised in a (hypothetical, of course) country where children were exclusively cared for by same-sex couples, you might think opposite-sex couples aren't as good for a child  |
No offense but I think it's for the best that it's this way. Not because I've been conditioned, but imagining the consequences of such a culture only seems to be negative. It hurts my head just thinking about it 
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Originally posted by Vespertine
But you could twist this the other way too You said you didn't have a father figure to teach you how to be a father in the future. Same situation here, abandoned by my biological father... which has taught me not to do that, to be loving and present (not that I ever plan/expect to have children tho). |
Lol, if only it was that simple. I am talking about the other things like commanded authority in the home and simply making a family home work. That is always going to be the fathers job.
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Originally posted by Javan
No offense but I think it's for the best that it's this way. Not because I've been conditioned, but imagining the consequences of such a culture only seems to be negative. It hurts my head just thinking about it
Lol, if only it was that simple. I am talking about the other things like commanded authority in the home and simply making a family home work. That is always going to be the fathers job. |
This is 2014... not 1968 
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
If you read the long pdf I sent you they said "When all things are equal".
You make a valid point, but your own point is testament to same-sex marriage.. All parents that adopt are in general better at parenting, because A) they generally have higher incomes, B) it was planned, and C) the child is guaranteed to have two parents for at least the beginning.
The funny thing is, this will always be the case. Gay men will always have to adopt or do surrogacy (which is more expensive/difficult). Lesbians are also very unlikely to have a child out of a serious relationship either.
So, what is exactly your argument?
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So it's not worrying that same-sex households have all those advantage but are not getting significantly better results? 
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This is 2014... not 1968 |
mhmm. You're so edgy.
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Well, I am certainly glad ATRL is willing to change its mind and that people care more about equal rights than they about half naked guys.
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
Why two ? If studies showed that kids' well being is the same regardless of the number of parents in the household, would your opinion change on that matter ?
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Two parents generally mean two incomes in today's society. Single parents face many more challenges than couples do. I was raised in a single parent household for a while, I know it sucks. A single parent is also much more likely to work a second job or over time at their current job (like 50-60+ hours a week). That gives the parent less time to spend with their children.
This is purely generally speaking. Of course a single parent of a very high income would likely be in a better situation than two parents both with a very low income.
Yes, if further studies/evidence shows that single parents are not worse than couples, than I am willing to change my mind; I am always willing to change my mind based on research and science. However, I doubt there will be such a study, because there are already numerous studies that show the difficulties of being a single parent. As such, I would be initially skeptical.
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Originally posted by Javan
mhmm. You're so edgy.
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And of course you have nothing else to say so you resort to trying to be edgy yourself.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Well, I am certainly glad ATRL is willing to change its mind and that people care more about equal rights than they about half naked guys.
Two parents generally mean two incomes in today's society. Single parents face many more challenges than couples do. I was raised in a single parent household for a while, I know it sucks. A single parent is also much more likely to work a second job or over time at their current job (like 50-60+ hours a week). That gives the parent less time to spend with their children.
This is purely generally speaking. Of course a single parent of a very high income would likely be in a better situation than two parents both with a very low income.
Yes, if further studies/evidence shows that single parents are not worse than couples, than I am willing to change my mind; I am always willing to change my mind based on research and science. However, I doubt there will be such a study, because there are already numerous studies that show the difficulties of being a single parent. As such, I would be initially skeptical.
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I get your point on that matter. But, actually, I was thinking of households with more than 2 parents.
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So it's not worrying that same-sex households have all those advantage but are not getting significantly better results? |
There are actual studies that show gay men are better off as parents than an average straight men, but when they adjust all the factors, that's when gay men are equal. The link I provided said they adjusted to income, marriage status, and other factors.
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Originally posted by Javan
Lol, if only it was that simple. I am talking about the other things like commanded authority in the home and simply making a family home work. That is always going to be the fathers job.
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I hate to sound like a broken record, but... it's only the father's job because we're raised to believe men are tougher and more authoritative. Like you said before, these things tend to create cycles. If you grow up in a house with an "alpha male," you grow up to believe you should be an "alpha male". I'm sure many of us raised by single mothers (yourself included, no?) can attest to the fact that women are perfectly capable of commanding authority and running a household. And in "traditional families," this still varies so much from family to family, that to say being the boss of the house and making a family work is always the a father's job is... 
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Originally posted by Javan
No offense but I think it's for the best that it's this way. Not because I've been conditioned, but imagining the consequences of such a culture only seems to be negative. It hurts my head just thinking about it
Lol, if only it was that simple. I am talking about the other things like commanded authority in the home and simply making a family home work. That is always going to be the fathers job. |
Lord have mercy. 
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Javan's caveman views.
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
I get your point on that matters. But, actually, I was thinking of households with more than 2 parents.
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Oh, you're a supporter of polygamy?
I have no firm thoughts on the subject, but as long as all adults have consented, and females have the same right to marry more than one man just as a man can marry more than female, then I think it could alright.
I am unsure if the children will be any better/worse off, but do see the benefit of multiple incomes and multiple figures to watch over the children.
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lol. You do the most in every thread I see you in, Javan.
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Originally posted by Javan
Lol, if only it was that simple. I am talking about the other things like commanded authority in the home and simply making a family home work. That is always going to be the fathers job.
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I thought it has been established that women more often wear the pants in the relationship nowadays.
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Very disappointing he would support such bigotry, even second-hand or accidental, he should know better.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Oh, you're a supporter of polygamy?
I have no firm thoughts on the subject, but as long as all adults have consented, and females have the same right to marry more than one man just as a man can marry more than female, then I think it could alright.
I am unsure if the children will be any better/worse off, but do see the benefit of multiple incomes and multiple figures to watch over the children.
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I am yes, with the conditions you've stated obviously, and so long as it doesn't affect the children's well being.
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And of course you have nothing else to say so you resort to trying to be edgy yourself.
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fffs can you stop quoting me, this is going no where  .
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
There are actual studies that show gay men are better off as parents than an average straight men, but when they adjust all the factors, that's when gay men are equal. The link I provided said they adjusted to income, marriage status, and other factors.
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Right. What about how much people where studied? And where/how does it say that they adjusted the factors in the document/pdf you sent me? I CTRL+F "when all things are equal" and no results showed
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Originally posted by Vespertine
I hate to sound like a broken record, but... it's only the father's job because we're raised to believe men are tougher and more authoritative. Like you said before, these things tend to create cycles. If you grow up in a house with an "alpha male," you grow up to believe you should be an "alpha male". I'm sure many of us raised by single mothers (yourself included, no?) can attest to the fact that women are perfectly capable of commanding authority and running a household. And in "traditional families," this still varies so much from family to family, that to say being the boss of the house and making a family work is always the a father's job is... |
Ok. Maybe you're right. But the problem is. You're looking at this from a gay extremely liberal pc "equal for all" perspective. I am looking at this from a realistic, straight males perspective, who wants a wife and kids. And that woman is going to expect me to be the "man of the house" and expect me to take care of her, that's how it's always been and I don't think it's ever going to change. Which is why a father is important in most instances and my situation in particular because I think I deserve to the opportunity to have witnessed that kind of relationship dynamic and learn form it. You say gender roles like it's a bad thing, I don't think it's a bad thing. There's no harm in saying that we are not the same. Male, female we are made differently biologically, and that is what has shaped society/gender norms. And I believe that's simply how God intended it.
As I said, I'm seeing this from a straight males perspective. I believe in gender equality to an extent but that doesn't mean I'm going to allow a woman to command a relationship/the house. Idc if that sounds sexist. That's not happening, it's not realistic. People should stick to their roles.
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