[Truth Teller]

Originally posted by Cola.drinker

I stan for old Mariah ( Emancipation and before), I have no problems to admit it. My most other faves dont make typical pop for radio, ofc they wont be so big. And I dont care, I dont need them to be in headlines. I care about their music which they deliver unlike Xtina.

Xtina is delivering with music. 'Lotus' is my least favorite album by her and it's still better than an average pop album so that says a lot about her standard. Lana is one of my faves and both her album and EP are better than 'Lotus', but that doesn't erase all the masterpieces Christina released from 2002 to 2006 and there's a whole lot of them.

I STILL don't see how you questioning the quality of her music is your way of proving me wrong in my point that she's STILL here

[Dr.Cake]

Gaga will always be around, whether she's a flop or not. Deal with it.

[Cola.drinker]

Originally posted by Truth Teller

Xtina is delivering with music. 'Lotus' is my least favorite album by her and it's still better than an average pop album so that says a lot about her standard. Lana is one of my faves and both her album and EP are better than 'Lotus', but that doesn't erase all the masterpieces Christina released from 2002 to 2006 and there's a whole lot of them.

I STILL don't see how you questioning the quality of her music is your way of proving me wrong in my point that she's STILL here

Sorry but lets not. It was dragged by critics even more than by atrl users. The metascore is yellow 53 and it got 4/10 at local review. Making great album is 1000% more difficult than being feature on song which you didnt even write.

[DonnieDarko]

Originally posted by Cola.drinker

Lets not be delusional. Im your country neighbour and Gaga stopped being big here after Bad Romance (or even Poker Face). Katy is on radio way more than Gaga. Its just a fake ilusion that Gaga is on everyone´s mind outside pop forums.

Well, your country is not my country, LOL. Bad Romance was huge here, Telephone was more than big. It was right after Alejandro that people started loosing interest. Katy Perry is not way more often on the radio here, she's doing ok. I Kissed a Girl is her most played song here, just like Lady Gaga's Just Dance and Ace Of Base's All That She Wants,

No, but let's be real. Lady Gaga is not on everyone's minds, nor is Katy Perry. The biggest current foreign star in my country is Beyonce, than One Direction (#5 and #7).

Prism peaked at #34 and ARTPOP #8, not that it means anything, but both are nowhere to be found on official ZPAV list.

[Optimus]

Originally posted by Kkamjong

I have nothing else to do so why not join in for the shitz and giggles.


Gaga will be remembered, I will give Monsters that, but for what exactly? When Gaga is mentioned do people ever bring up her songs? No.

When she is mentioned to people other than the queens here on ATRL, this is usually what is talked about.

1. How much they hate her
2. How weird she is
3. How much of a mess her fashion is
4. How bad her music is
5. "Who?"


So let's unclog our brains little monsters and take a look at the bigger picture.

1. Both are 5 years into their career. Katy is loved and selling more than ever, while Gaga has drastically declined and is selling less than ever.

2. Katy has improved sales-wise every era. Gaga has declined sales wise every era.

3. Katy just had her biggest radio hit. The result? Selling 4.4 million copies in America alone. Gaga just had her biggest radio hit according to her lil monsters. The result? A disappointing 2x platinum LEAD single from the supposed "biggest pop star in the world."

4. Katy has public approval and support. Gaga is dealing with public abandonment.

5. Gaga's fanbase is 10x bigger than Katy's, YET Katy is still outselling her in terms of singles AND albums. That's pretty sad.

6. Gaga has a 6x platinum single, and a 7x platinum single from her first era. She was huge, sadly her second era didn't even manage to score a 4x platinum hit as Born This Way stalled at 3.9 million. Still not disastrous though. Her follow up effort was, however, seeing as this era can't even manage to score a top 3 hit or get a 3x platinum single.

Meanwhile Katy has a a 5x platinum single from her first era and a 4x platinum from her first era. Pretty impressive, but obviously lacking behind Gaga. Luckily her second era managed one 6x platinum single, two 5x platinum singles, and a 4x platinum single. Pretty impressive right? Everyone expected her to decline, but she proved them wrong by coming back with Roar (her soon to be 5x platinum single) and after the little speed bump of Unconditionally, Dark Horse is ready to dominate America and go on to also be one of her biggest hits.


So take a look at the facts. One has increased relevance and sales every era, and one have sharply declined every era. Stop lying to yourselves and come to accept the reality that Gaga will have a short lived career. She's to obsessed with herself and pleasing her rabid fanbase.


Stop clinging to her The Fame era, and start looking at her most recent era(s). It's going to soon be 2020 and monsters will be bragging about her Fame sales.




I hope everyone has a good day!

WHY some of you guys always try to discredit Gaga for her music? Yes her fashion is crazy and had a big impact on her rise and other things but the music was on the first place. Why are you sayng that when people mention Gaga they remember only how weird she is and how bad her fashion is? What was the weird about her when Just Dance came out and sold 10M WW and she still wasnt known very well? What was the weird thing about her when Poker Face came out? Yeah, the hermaphodite rumour was a big one but she did not even create it herself. And dont even try to come with this mess about putting a fake penis under her dress. If you go the video and see it in full you will see that its her underwear and she did not take any penis out of there. THE MUSIC was the first thing that got people interested in Gaga. The sound of her music was new, fresh and futuristic.

Also first of all we ALL know that Gaga is the biggest risk taker out of all her peers. And of course when you take risks you cant always expect everything to go well right? And its true for all of us. Katy os growing in sales with every era because she always plays it safe. Do you think that if Katy puts out an album like Born This Way that she will be liked like she is now? Or selling like she is now? No. And thats why she is afraid of taking risks. Thats why now with her 3rd album Dr. Luke is the mainproducer, again. While Gaga keeps working with new producer. She is the who is testing the waters for Madeon and Zedd. I cant remember for other big pop star who worked with an 18 years old producer. Can you name one?


Also about the bad fashion. Excuse me? In 2011 Gaga was named a FASHION ICON at the CFCD Fashion Awards. She is a fashion icon, like it or not.

Also Gaga has had haters since the beginning of her career. But now her haters are the most. The public literally hates her for looking like a freak sometimes, and although she is my fave, I dont blame them. I mean you show up in a wood dress and your face is painted in white like you just escaped from the graveyard. And that clone make up. The bitch doesnt make it any easier. But what we can do? Its her choise. She knows she is hated so much. And thats why she is not selling so much. Because people hate her and everything started after the Alejandro video. But lets not forget the music. For all of us its obvious that the quality in her music went down after The Fame Monster- a fact that even the most delusional monster can not deny.

And Katy is selling because she is not giving the public reasons to hate her. Once/IF she does something that is not normal for her, she will be treated like Gaga. People like to construct an image for an artist. If the artist starts doing something completely different from what people used to see, everything will change..

And to give you an answer:

For me Gaga will have the longer career. At one point people will get tired of katy's one type songs.

Gaga is a songwriter/artist/producer(still not a good one but still an amateur producer).






sorry for the long write. I just have some free time.

and sorry for my english. Its not my natural language

[Maleficent]

We get threads like this every week. Katy will have the longer career. That's pretty obvious now.

[Cola.drinker]

Originally posted by DonnieDarko

Well, your country is not my country, LOL. Bad Romance was huge here, Telephone was more than big. It was right after Alejandro that people started loosing interest. Katy Perry is not way more often on the radio here, she's doing ok. I Kissed a Girl is her most played song here, just like Lady Gaga's Just Dance and Ace Of Base's All That She Wants,

No, but let's be real. Lady Gaga is not on everyone's minds, nor is Katy Perry. The biggest current star in my country is Beyonce, than One Direction (#5 and #7).

Prism peaked at #34 and ARTPOP #8, not that it means anything, but both are nowhere to be found on official ZPAV list.

Well I still remember how many Lana´s songs were #1 on polish itunes + albums certificates. I dont think we should even care about these local markets. I just wanted to state the "anticlimax" Gaga has lately been making. She just doesnt make people feel good, smile etc anymore- things people want when they turn on the radio.

[Truth Teller]

Originally posted by Cola.drinker

Sorry but lets not. It was dragged by critics even more than by atrl users. The metascore is yellow 53 and it got 4/10 at local review. Making great album is 1000% more difficult than being feature on song which you didnt even write.

It was dragged by the critics and so was 'Born to Die' initially. Critics are not always right. 'Lotus' is a decent pop album. One of the reasons why it was dragged is because people expected more from Christina and one of the reasons why you think it's a problem Christina just got a smash hit without having a writing credit on it, while plenty of other artists get away with it, which further proves how high Christina has set the bar for herself.

As far as the level of difficulty that the process of making an album carries, you can't school me about that when my fave delivered a pop classic, still praised to this day, when she was still 21. And then another critically acclaimed album four years later.

[DonnieDarko]

Originally posted by Cola.drinker

Well I still remember how many Lana´s songs were #1 on polish itunes + albums certificates. I dont think we should even care about these local markets. I just wanted to state the "anticlimax" Gaga has lately been making. She just doesnt make people feel good, smile etc anymore- things people want when they turn on the radio.

Truth!

BTW, Lana is big here and very respected.

[Cola.drinker]

Originally posted by Truth Teller

It was dragged by the critics and so was 'Born to Die' initially. Critics are not always right. 'Lotus' is a decent pop album. One of the reasons why it was dragged is because people expected more from Christina and one of the reasons why you think it's a problem Christina just got a smash hit without having a writing credit on it, while plenty of other artists get away with it, which further proves how high Christina has set the bar for herself.

As far as the level of difficulty that the process of making an album carries, you can't school me about that when my fave delivered a pop classic, still praised to this day, when she was still 21. And then another critically acclaimed album four years later.

Born to Die was dragged mainly by american magazines and not for actual music. In the UK, The Independent on Sunday gave it 100/100. Lotus reviews were based solely on the music. Pop classic ? Do you speak about Beautiful ? We can only guess how much creative input Christina had considering the producer and the only writer was Linda Perry. And thats the problem - Christina is a great vocalist but very mediocre artist.

[Ethereaaal]

Once Katy loses her cute face and once her chest becomes disgusting OR when she stops being the epitome of being basic, she will lose her career. Gaga's talent will keep her relevant, at least to her big fan base.

[Kkamjong]

Originally posted by Optimus

WHY some of you guys always try to discredit Gaga for her music? Yes her fashion is crazy and had a big impact on her rise and other things but the music was on the first place. Why are you sayng that when people mention Gaga they remember only how weird she is and how bad her fashion is? What was the weird about her when Just Dance came out and sold 10M WW and she still wasnt known very well? What was the weird thing about her when Poker Face came out? Yeah, the hermaphodite rumour was a big one but she did not even create it herself. And dont even try to come with this mess about putting a fake penis under her dress. If you go the video and see it in full you will see that its her underwear and she did not take any penis out of there. THE MUSIC was the first thing that got people interested in Gaga. The sound of her music was new, fresh and futuristic.

Also first of all we ALL know that Gaga is the biggest risk taker out of all her peers. And of course when you take risks you cant always expect everything to go well right? And its true for all of us. Katy os growing in sales with every era because she always plays it safe. Do you think that if Katy puts out an album like Born This Way that she will be liked like she is now? Or selling like she is now? No. And thats why she is afraid of taking risks. Thats why now with her 3rd album Dr. Luke is the mainproducer, again. While Gaga keeps working with new producer. She is the who is testing the waters for Madeon and Zedd. I cant remember for other big pop star who worked with an 18 years old producer. Can you name one?


Also about the bad fashion. Excuse me? In 2011 Gaga was named a FASHION ICON at the CFCD Fashion Awards. She is a fashion icon, like it or not.

Also Gaga has had haters since the beginning of her career. But now her haters are the most. The public literally hates her for looking like a freak sometimes, and although she is my fave, I dont blame them. I mean you show up in a wood dress and your face is painted in white like you just escaped from the graveyard. And that clone make up. The bitch doesnt make it any easier. But what we can do? Its her choise. She knows she is hated so much. And thats why she is not selling so much. Because people hate her and everything started after the Alejandro video. But lets not forget the music. For all of us its obvious that the quality in her music went down after The Fame Monster- a fact that even the most delusional monster can not deny.

And Katy is selling because she is not giving the public reasons to hate her. Once/IF she does something that is not normal for her, she will be treated like Gaga. People like to construct an image for an artist. If the artist starts doing something completely different from what people used to see, everything will change..

And to give you an answer:

For me Gaga will have the longer career. At one point people will get tired of katy's one type songs.

Gaga is a songwriter/artist/producer(still not a good one but still an amateur producer).






sorry for the long write. I just have some free time.

and sorry for my english. Its not my natural language

The reason is because it's TRUE. Gaga is giving people much more talk about than her music. What would a normal person rather talk about? Gaga's 5 year old songs? Or all the negative attention she gets in the news.

Her old songs won't carry her forever, and none of her news songs have had any sort of impact on her career. Her lead single underperformed, her follow up underperformed, her album sales are low, etc.


WHY would anyone want to release BTW, Katy included? It was negatively received MUSICALLY by the public and image-wise.

If Katy doesn't enjoy that type of music why would she make it, especially knowing that the public is not here for it?

Public likes change. The public does NOT like dramatic change. Gaga's biggest hits were regular pop hits, but now she's trying too hard to be "taken serious" but the opposite has happened. No one is taking her seriously.

No one is saying Gaga's old music isn't remembered, but when you mention her the first thing that comes to people's mind is most definitely not her music.

And who cares about some fashion award? The public hardly gives two craps about fashion awards.

[Truth Teller]

Originally posted by Cola.drinker

Born to Die was dragged mainly by american magazines and not for actual music. In the UK, The Independent on Sunday gave it 100/100. Lotus reviews were based solely on the music. Pop classic ? Do you speak about Beatiful ? We can only guess how much creative input Christina had considering the producer and the only writer was Linda Perry. And thats the problem - Christina is a great vocalist but very mediocre artist.

'Fighter', 'The Voice Within' and the whole 'Stripped' album are classics. Still talked about, still praised.

Christina is far from a mediocre artist, because she's the executive producer, main songwriter and often co-producer on 4 out of her 5 albums. Whether or not you like the outcome of her work is subjective, but you can't doubt the work itself.

But anyway, 100 pages later, you still haven't found a way to justify your initial post about Christina's voice not helping her stay around or a way to respond to my point that she is still very well here. Don't bother responding to me about 'Lotus' again. Either make your point about her not being around supposedly or don't make any point at all

[Kkamjong]

Originally posted by Ethereaaal

Once Katy loses her cute face and once her chest becomes disgusting OR when she stops being the epitome of being basic, she will lose her career. Gaga's talent will keep her relevant, at least to her big fan base.

Why do monsters insist on making excuses for Katy's continued success? Does it bother you that much that she's more successful than gaga?

[Ethereaaal]

Originally posted by Kkamjong

The reason is because it's TRUE. Gaga is giving people much more talk about than her music. What would a normal person rather talk about? Gaga's 5 year old songs? Or all the negative attention she gets in the news.

Her old songs won't carry her forever, and none of her news songs have had any sort of impact on her career. Her lead single underperformed, her follow up underperformed, her album sales are low, etc.


WHY would anyone want to release BTW, Katy included? It was negatively received MUSICALLY by the public and image-wise.

If Katy doesn't enjoy that type of music why would she make it, especially knowing that the public is not here for it?

Public likes change. The public does NOT like dramatic change. Gaga's biggest hits were regular pop hits, but now she's trying too hard to be "taken serious" but the opposite has happened. No one is taking her seriously.

No one is saying Gaga's old music isn't remembered, but when you mention her the first thing that comes to people's mind is most definitely not her music.

And who cares about some fashion award? The public hardly gives two craps about fashion awards.

I also don't think people think of Katy's music first when they hear her name

[materialboy]

Well Gaga is near her end.So Katy.

[Cola.drinker]

Originally posted by Truth Teller

'Fighter', 'The Voice Within' and the whole 'Stripped' album are classics. Still talked about, still praised.

Christina is far from a mediocre artist, because she's the executive producer, main songwriter and often co-producer on 4 out of her 5 albums. Whether or not you like the outcome of her work is subjective, but you can't doubt the work itself.

But anyway, 100 pages later, you still haven't found a way to justify your initial post about Christina's voice not helping her stay around or a way to respond to my point that she is still very well here. Don't bother responding to me about 'Lotus' again. Either make your point about her not being around supposedly or don't make any point at all

Honey, I posted numerous posts about it you just want to hear a clear answer so I will make it easier to you. For me: being featured artists and judge on tv show =/= actually being relevant in music industry. We have just different point of view on artists and what we want from them. You need headlines and fake bubblegum relevancy. I need being served with great own music periodically.

[Cola.drinker]

Originally posted by Ethereaaal

I also don't think people think of Katy's music first when they hear her name

then you are probably wrong. They hear her music and go to itunes to buy her singles
[IMG]1 Katy Perry - Dark Horse (feat. Juicy J) 1.0000[/IMG]

[Truth Teller]

Originally posted by Cola.drinker

Honey, I posted numerous posts about it you just want to hear a clear answer so I will easier to you. For me: being featured artists and judge on tv show =/= actually being relevant in music industry. We have just different point of view on artists and what we want from them. You need headlines and fake bubblegum relevancy. I need being served with great own music periodically.

I see the problem now.

You thing "being here is subjective. Well, it's not. It's objective and it's a fact. Your expectations from an artist (which aren't that much different to mine given that we have 2 artists in common in our sig) have NOTHING to do with an artist "being here"

When an artist is top 5 on Billboard, that artist is HERE
When an artist gets acknowledged by media on the daily for doing basically nothing, that artist is HERE
When an artist doesn't appeal to you for whatever reason, that artist is not in your iTunes library, but still HERE nonetheless.

And just to make that clear, if I wanted headlines and fake bubblegum relevancy, pop music is giving me plenty of options to choose from. I stan for Christina, a woman who only got negative headlines and negative relevancy for 3 years (2010-2013). And most of the artists in my sig are not bubblegum either. So I don't get your point.

[TKO]

Katy of course