[Timber]

@ju lia

Ok. We'll just have to wait and see then.

[Ju Lia]

Originally posted by QueenBeé

Let me remind Navy that Mrs Carter Show grossed ~$150M with only 83(?) dates when DWT grossed ~$138M with 98 dates. If Bey stopped touring she'd still outgross Rih. Stop playing the ''more dates'' card.

Approximately, 145 with 83, 141 with 85. You tried tho...

Originally posted by slimsexy

Give a meaningfull response or don't bother at all.it's a pity you can't handle an opinion that's contrary to your's.

Should we act like we've got trolled easily while we're not? We're not used to rip our bums telling tons of arguments to particular person, who's decided before he's not going to be convinced

Originally posted by Desert Rain

The DWT growth was mostly because she'd served semi-decent performances on UK X Factor and Hackney and had finally released enough decent material to convince people to attend a 2 hour performance of it. The US shows didn't get close to sold out until shortly after her on-key performances at the 2013 Grammys.
Many who attended the DWT won't bother again, and thanks to awful reviews, her touring power has diminished severely in Asia and Oceania.

I'm getting so embarrassed when Beyonce's stan is telling something about "being decent" in this type of context. Like, what gave you the right to judge, inflated idea of your & your fave's pedestal? Like, she's not indie, she's popular and she relies on her popularity. Her bar is on the level of big popular songstress. And that's nothing wrong with that.

And oooh, you did posted smth about the stans' age before, I tell you, you wish The industry is full of teen idols, who are much more safe and whose attitude doesn't piss them off (like Rihanna does with you). The last time Robyn got huge amount of newcoming kids into her stanbase was 2010 and "Loud" or so. They came of age yet. Besides... I can say at least, most of the Navys I'm talking to seem to be quite sensible and not getting their lives by putting others down first, something I can't say about some stanbases' members. I mean, people could be around 25 but behave like little children.

[GrandMomCookies]

Nnnnnnnn the 1st pages Ki

HA.

Bey her tour that's going on threw out 2014 will become the biggest tour of any black female EVER

[Schoolin' Life]

Ju Lia what kind of meltdown

You're not making much sense with your arguments

Rih has all possible shows reported. Total gross 140.1M with 89 (90?) reported shows and it's not up to debate. 1.57M per show with couple big stadium dates.

Beyonce with only 60 dates reported to billboard grossed 105.9M - 1.76M average and there are still at least Adelaide and Auckland to be reported with expected bb gross minimum 6.7M from 4 NZ dates.

We can even forget these lost european grosses like 2M+ from Telenor arena or 3M from two Birmingham dates . With 15 dates to go Mrs Carter Show can still outgross DWT total if only they get reported in full, again with below 90 reported and without #stadiumstatus

[suneclipse121]

Originally posted by Ju Lia

the amount of the delusion in this thread...

You put effort to discredit Rihanna and DWT, then you really believe in what you say, telling the Navy are the first to start a mess.

The arguments are lop-sided. You act like your fave (mentioned in this thread, expect P!nk, whose fans out here don't shade at all) haven't passed her 1st 100M mark with this year's tour, and 100M mark wasn't the 1st intention. You say Rihanna is underperforming (relatively or absolutely, depends on a user who says that), because she hasn't surpassed 150M mark while others are "likely to" or "could easily do with more dates". So, if Taylor did most of her gross in North America, she could easily reach more with more dates in Europe, cause "the demind is high". With Rihanna, it's not nearly an excuse (according to you), because "if she had the demand, she would add more dates". If Taylor sells most of her tickets in NA, that might mean she's a local force, but if Rihanna "doesn't sell out stadiums in US" (what did you say about arenas not being sold out?..), that means she's not internationally accepted, cuz USA is the "hardest market" (thanks for not being the entire world). If Beyonce sells tickets, that means "demand of GP" and nothing else, if Rihanna sells tickets, that means "low prices". If Rihanna sells out stadiums, that's "not a big deal (cuz the stadiums are in Europe)", and, yeah, she couldn't sell them out by herself, she did it only with the help of David Guetta! (I'm surprised this "argument" is still in discussion). If Beyonce doesn't, that means she could easily do, that's just not a real deal for her. If Beyonce performs on festival, you include the gross into the tour's. If Rihanna does a festival, people "doesn't really need her, they came for another artist" even if she was the only artist performing that day or so...

By the way. As you report, Mrs. Carter Show's European leg grossed 50+ M, NA leg - 45+, Australian - 30+. Round-off, 130M, and more NA dates left. Actual gross at the moment is less than/going to be nearly the same as Rihanna's. So, you blame her for "underperforming" , while she' surpassed/did the same gross as Beyonce, who "well-performing". Or Beyonce will finally surpass her with "huge" 5-10M difference or so, it will obviously mean Rihanna's underperforming, while Bey is well-performing...

But that was about relatively same number of concerts. You take South American leg of MCST into account, look at it as if you still compared 2 tours while one of them has its extra leg of concerts & gross. You say it doesn't really matter because if not Rihanna's "low demand", she would do the SA leg. But that's still an extra *****in' leg.

Where's the logic?

In the numbers

[clairebear23]

*inserts educated response*

I mean, do we have to break it down for a certain fan base
1.) Bey had more expensive tickets, more expensive production and more dates
I mean, Loud Tour average tour price was $74 and DWT was $86, imagine the next tour with more stadium dates and even higher prices. Get ready for $200M+ *giggles hysterically*

But the real question is my sweeties, why has Beyonce sold 94% capacity and many stadiums were half empty in her strongest market of Latin America/Brazil. It baffles me

I mean, her tour was promoted to the high heavens on a global scale I mean, all the top pop girls have 99% capacity or better. Interesting I must say

And a little secret, MCT is over

[T.C]

Hasn't Pink outgrossed them all? Why is she not winning?

[clairebear23]

Originally posted by Schoolin' Life

Ju Lia what kind of meltdown

You're not making much sense with your arguments

Rih has all possible shows reported. Total gross 140.1M with 89 (90?) reported shows and it's not up to debate. 1.57M per show with couple big stadium dates.

Beyonce with only 60 dates reported to billboard grossed 105.9M - 1.76M average and there are still at least Adelaide and Auckland to be reported with expected bb gross minimum 6.7M from 4 NZ dates.

We can even forget these lost european grosses like 2M+ from Telenor arena or 3M from two Birmingham dates . With 15 dates to go Mrs Carter Show can still outgross DWT total if only they get reported in full, again with below 90 reported and without #stadiumstatus

Im so sorry sweetie, The Navy provided some insight. It was reported that Billboard included a Poland festival that grossed 3.7M in her numbers. Please explain Besides you calculate an average AFTER all dates are reported. I mean, her Latin America dates take her average down

[clairebear23]

94% capacity baffles me, with 1M people I mean DWT was at 99.7% 1.6 M people, so a price increase will correct the discrepency.

LT $74
DWT $86
Next tour $95-100 *giggles hysterically*

[Timber]

Originally posted by clairebear23

94% capacity baffles me, with 1M people I mean DWT was at 99.7% 1.6 M people, so a price increase will correct the discrepency.

LT $74
DWT $86
Next tour $95-100 *giggles hysterically*

If she flops with her next album, her team will probably have to lower her ticket prices. Lets hope she can keep her momentum going.

[Giselle]

Originally posted by Ju Lia

the amount of the delusion in this thread...

You put effort to discredit Rihanna and DWT, then you really believe in what you say, telling the Navy are the first to start a mess.

The arguments are lop-sided. You act like your fave (mentioned in this thread, expect P!nk, whose fans out here don't shade at all) haven't passed her 1st 100M mark with this year's tour, and 100M mark wasn't the 1st intention. You say Rihanna is underperforming (relatively or absolutely, depends on a user who says that), because she hasn't surpassed 150M mark while others are "likely to" or "could easily do with more dates". So, if Taylor did most of her gross in North America, she could easily reach more with more dates in Europe, cause "the demind is high". With Rihanna, it's not nearly an excuse (according to you), because "if she had the demand, she would add more dates". If Taylor sells most of her tickets in NA, that might mean she's a local force, but if Rihanna "doesn't sell out stadiums in US" (what did you say about arenas not being sold out?..), that means she's not internationally accepted, cuz USA is the "hardest market" (thanks for not being the entire world). If Beyonce sells tickets, that means "demand of GP" and nothing else, if Rihanna sells tickets, that means "low prices". If Rihanna sells out stadiums, that's "not a big deal (cuz the stadiums are in Europe)", and, yeah, she couldn't sell them out by herself, she did it only with the help of David Guetta! (I'm surprised this "argument" is still in discussion). If Beyonce doesn't, that means she could easily do, that's just not a real deal for her. If Beyonce performs on festival, you include the gross into the tour's. If Rihanna does a festival, people "doesn't really need her, they came for another artist" even if she was the only artist performing that day or so...

By the way. As you report, Mrs. Carter Show's European leg grossed 50+ M, NA leg - 45+, Australian - 30+. Round-off, 130M, and more NA dates left. Actual gross at the moment is less than/going to be nearly the same as Rihanna's. So, you blame her for "underperforming" , while she' surpassed/did the same gross as Beyonce, who "well-performing". Or Beyonce will finally surpass her with "huge" 5-10M difference or so, it will obviously mean Rihanna's underperforming, while Bey is well-performing...

But that was about relatively same number of concerts. You take South American leg of MCST into account, look at it as if you still compared 2 tours while one of them has its extra leg of concerts & gross. You say it doesn't really matter because if not Rihanna's "low demand", she would do the SA leg. But that's still an extra *****in' leg.

Where's the logic?

tl:dr

But Bey did the bolded back in 2009. This is not new to her.

[clairebear23]

Originally posted by Timber

If she flops with her next album, her team will probably have to lower her ticket prices. Lets hope she can keep her momentum going.

millions per era are consistently sold with limited promotion , next era will be lots of it oh and.....

"if she had the demand she would add more dates."

Meanwhile 94% capacity vs. 99.7% capacity *giggles hysterically* is there anything left to say?

[Bey'Knight]

Originally posted by clairebear23

millions per era are consistently sold with limited promotion , next era will be lots of it oh and.....

"if she had the demand she would add more dates."

Meanwhile 94% capacity vs. 99.7% capacity *giggles hysterically* is there anything left to say?

Beyonce still sold most tickets in that region this year. it's a place where even Madonna and Gaga struggled to sell tickets despite their touring reputation. Not to mention Beyonce went over with no new music blaring on the radio. Shall we compare the Bey's performance to Rihanna's floppage last time she toured latin america? *giggles histerically* There' s a reason why she's skipping altogether on this tour

[LEMONADE]

Originally posted by Monkey_Juice

[I][CENTER]Rihanna doing stadiums WW ----> Rihanna doing stadiums in the USA

Sorry rihanna is bigger WW and has achieved a 100million grossing tour at a younger age and faster rate then pink and beyonce. You better get ready for when she tours for 2 years with more dates. Never DOUBT RIHANNA

First of all, I have never doubted Rihanna and her capabilities as a WW artist and I said in my previous post that it's pretty amazing that she is doing stadiums, but on the other hand everything the Navy is trying to present as a threat, Bey has already conquered as a solo artist or then again probably has conquered it twice if including DC3.

I wouldn't be getting all cocky with Rihanna being a touring force when her next tour will probably suffer to be as successful due to her unprofessionalism, messiness, and tardiness she has presented on this tour resulting in fans and casual concert goers being upset and feeling like they wasted their money.

You do not make a crowd of working people who come to your show on a work night waiting for 4 hours past starting time (8 pm & the concert starting at 11 pm), but yet you have time to update a instagram with you smoking a blunt. It's so unprofessional and let's not even get into all the booing she's received, or her acting messy on stage this era.

Call me when Rihanna can sell a WW tour soley on her name because as far as im concerned Beyonce is doing just that without any new music, people are seeing her because shes BEYONCE and she has that reputation of good entertainment.

[dperkins]

TTAL Tour. Pink may have more dates, but that's because she doesn't like playing in stadiums. She had 18 shows in one arena.

[Schoolin' Life]

Originally posted by clairebear23

It was reported that Billboard included a Poland festival that grossed 3.7M in her numbers. Please explain

I don't know how to explain it other than with your inability to read . Poland date was reported by Pollstar and I specifically stated Billboard so you wouldn't make a mistake but oh well. You can check BB gross breakdown on wiki if you want, if has all links you might need. No stadium no 99% sold out and still doing better than Rih.

And as for averege ticket prices and average grosses - since you calculate them when all dates are reported I have no idea how you got Loud tour ticket prices. I only has 32M or so in reported gross Meanwhile I'm going to disregard that and say Beyonce:

IAT: $97
TMCSWT: $118

Bigger average increase than Rih

And just like with IAT Beyoncé team is not scared to show such grosses and attendances, when Rih headlined Rock in Rio she had

Rihanna
Arena Anhembi / São Paulo
15,020 / 35,000 (40%)
$1,134,890

Mineirinho / Belo Horizonte
8,000 / 20,000 (25%)
$423,360

Nilson Nelson Gymnasium / Brasília
8,056 / 15,000 (85%)
$561,360

31k sold out of 70k. Bey sold 122k tickets alone without fresh hit album to support now sit

[KangBey]

So much clockage going on from the Beyhive in here, yall gone learn today!!!

[Ju Lia]

Originally posted by RaeseanLohan

tl:dr

But Bey did the bolded back in 2009. This is not new to her.

Last time I checked, there was 95M, but nevermind

Originally posted by Schoolin' Life

You're not making much sense with your arguments

Rih has all possible shows reported. Total gross 140.1M with 89 (90?) reported shows and it's not up to debate. 1.57M per show with couple big stadium dates.

Beyonce with only 60 dates reported to billboard grossed 105.9M - 1.76M average and there are still at least Adelaide and Auckland to be reported with expected bb gross minimum 6.7M from 4 NZ dates.

We can even forget these lost european grosses like 2M+ from Telenor arena or 3M from two Birmingham dates .

That was a summary of arguments/interpretation stated before, not throwing receipts But you are so informed. Maybe I could find out some lack of convergence in a couple of dates reported by different sites, or count some extra receipts, but, honestly, I won't remember when I leave this thread Also, I can't guarrantee how was the "average" counted, which dates included (it still resembles "average temperature in a hospital" a bit tbh)

Originally posted by Schoolin' Life

With 15 dates to go Mrs Carter Show can still outgross DWT total if only they get reported in full, again with below 90 reported and without #stadiumstatus

So, 60 dates - 105M + AU leg (already 80) + extra NA dates = around 140M, if we doesn't count SA leg. As I've stated before. And I don't deny MCT is going to gross more, by a slim margin. Still, ya'll compare two tours with different number of legs (and concerts).

p.s. couple big stadium dates? aim higher
and notice I wasn't the 1st to talk about #stadiumstatus

[Schoolin' Life]

Originally posted by Ju Lia

Last time I checked, there was 95M, but nevermind

95.6M with what was reported to billboard, not all dates

Originally posted by Ju Lia

So, 60 dates - 105M + AU leg (already 80) + extra NA dates = around 140M, if we doesn't count SA leg. As I've stated before. And I don't deny MCT is going to gross more, by a slim margin. Still, ya'll compare two tours with different number of legs (and concerts).

No 60 dates have already South America and most of Austalasia dates, 6 remain so that's 66 plus 15 remaining in NA that's 81 dates to gross around the same as Rihanna's 89 but those had 50k+ Stadium of Light date, 75k Stade di France, 60k Millenium Stadium, 65k FNB Stadium or 50k+ Yarkon Park. People can shade TMCSWT SA leg but with no more than 40k per stadium date and 5+ less shows, overall less legs Beyonce should LAG behind Rih

[katara]

Diamonds tour grossed almost the same as The MRS Carter tour and't it didn't have Superbowl promo.