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Poll: More iconic career: Mariah vs Whitney
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Mariah Carey
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Whitney Houston
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I love Mimi but Nippy's more iconic tbh.
I mean her debut to her farewell >>>>>>
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Originally posted by sodade21
My all,Hero,Heartbreaker,Honey,We belong together,Fantasy,Dreamlover,Vision Of Love,Love Takes time,Against all odds,Thank God i Found you , Endless Love,Its like that...... you dont know any of these songs? well then something is wrong with you..not with your country nor Mariahs career or popularity...
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Im not saying that I dont know them (obviously I listened to them at one point, I have stated that I used to be a Mariah fan as a kid, havent I?) Im just saying that it was hard to remember the songs for me or how they sound, because I havent heard them on radio for years. There is a difference. And even when someone never heard about her, it doesnt mean there is something wrong with him.
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The lambs will continue to cackle as Mariah continues to outsell, outperform, outlive, outimpact, outlast, Whitney with every song she writes and producers herself. It's so funny to see people bring up Tommy but no one has mentioned how Clive basically made Whitney his pet.
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
I don't want to fight anymore because it's just stupid
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Well to sum up my thoughts:
Though Mariah's music got better after her peak (at least in my opinion), she never really fully evolved. She just made slight changes in her image and music. To stay consistent, you must evolve. And during the release of Butterfly and everything onward, dance-pop was the craze, and urban material was declining fast.
I also think that Mariah's voice hinders her from a lot of genres; I noticed that many prominent vocalist can't be completely innovative with their music and test taste different genres without sounding like a mess.
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Originally posted by DejaVu
The lambs will continue to cackle as Mariah continues to outsell, outperform, outlive, outimpact, outlast, Whitney with every song she writes and producers herself. It's so funny to see people bring up Tommy but no one has mentioned how Clive basically made Whitney his pet.
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At-least the Mariah and Tommy relationship gave us her best album
Butterfly that is critically acclaimed and is called her magnum opus
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Originally posted by Genocide
Well to sum up my thoughts:
Though Mariah's music got better after her peak (at least in my opinion), she never really fully evolved. She just made slight changes in her image and music. To stay consistent, you must evolve. And during the release of Butterfly and everything onward, dance-pop was the craze, and urban material was declining fast.
I also think that Mariah's voice hinders her from a lot of genres; I noticed that many prominent vocalist can't be completely innovative with their music and test taste different genres without sounding like a mess.
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I agree with a lot of your points especially the part about great vocalist being limited to certain genres of music without it sounding like a mess
I just think after Butterfly she should of taken a LONG break and then come back with a GREAT album ala TEOM
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
I agree with a lot of your points especially the part about great vocalist being limited to certain genres of music without it sounding like a mess
I just think after Butterfly she should of taken a LONG break and then come back with a GREAT album ala TEOM
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Everything that happened between Butterfly and TEOM is natural though. When you're a real artist, not everyone is gonna like your work. It would be different if she had a team that just picked out what she sang, like another singer.
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Originally posted by DejaVu
Everything that happened between Butterfly and TEOM is natural though. When you're a real artist, not everyone is gonna like your work. It would be different if she had a team that just picked out what she sang, like another singer.
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Originally posted by Marioland
Really people think that Whitney had more obstacles cause she was black? Seriously? Her way was already paved with roses since her whole family was in the recording business and all of them extremely successful. Noone said that she didnt have the talent or that she became famous because of them. It was just easier for her.... Was she poor like Mariah? Did you know that sometimes Mariah didn't even have money for her FOOD!?! Don't play the "black" card on me cause Mariah is half black and half white and that was even more difficult for her life since people could tolerate black people in the late 70s-80s but not so much the interracial relationships and their children since they were considered outcasts from the black and the white communities together.
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What kinda stupid post? Being "rich" or "poor" has NOTHING to do with the legacy a singer can leave on music. Being BLACK is VERY important, because of its cultural implications.
Whitney's "whole family" was not in the recording business, and the only one extremely successful was Dionne.
Your whole post is stupid.
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Originally posted by DejaVu
Today's singers namedrop Mariah as an inspiration more than they do Whitney, that is a FACT.
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They really don't.
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Originally posted by JLO_FeEN
It does make sense. Clearly you have a problem with reading comprehension.
Whitney was a huge influence and culturally important because of her voice and technique >>>>>> but besides a few big hits in the 80s and early 90s nobody remembers her career besides the legacy of her voice.
That's the damn truth! The drugs ruined her career!!
You are getting the question confused. Pioneering a unique style to the masses with that amazing voice does not constitute an iconic career. Did her voice have impact to the GP and the upcoming girls of course, but where are the receipts that claim she had an iconic career over Mariah's outside the fact that she was one of the best vocalists of all time?
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No, you just make no sense.
Whitney wasn't just a "few big hits" in the 80s. She had MANY. With an output far smaller than her peers, her success was so huge she was able to cross into film and TV and REPEAT the same success there.
Whitney's hit albums, hit records, films, accomplishments...they make up her CAREER. She used her VOICE for ALL of that career. It was the driving force of it. The success she gained is important CULTURALLY because Whitney was a black woman breaking down doors for other black people, women, pop and R&B artists.
Whitney's voice and singing is important because it changed the way popular music singing. It's culturally notable because she was rooted in a predominately black vocal style and was able to find success all over the world singing in that STYLE.
Career (n): an occupation undertaken for a significant period of a person's life and with opportunities for progress.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
WTF has Patti to do with this?
Is it so hard for you to understand that some people are interested into rock, punk and alternative music so much that they passionately discover new and also old artists just because they love the genre?
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It's not hard to understand it at all since I used to love alternative back in the 90's but its hard to understand that a music listener knows these artists and their songs and suddenly forgot all of Mariah's songs who at the end of the day is so much more popular and has more classics than you can count with all your fingers of your both palms.
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Originally posted by Chimier
What kinda stupid post? Being "rich" or "poor" has NOTHING to do with the legacy a singer can leave on music. Being BLACK is VERY important, because of its cultural implications.
Whitney's "whole family" was not in the recording business, and the only one extremely successful was Dionne.
Your whole post is stupid.
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Really? Her whole family was in the music recording business and she was having a nice life. Do you think its easy for you to pursue your dreams if you dont have any money at all or CONNECTIONS? You have to work as a waitress or doing similar jobs in order to support yourself and being an aspiring singer is a luxury and a delusion! Mariah was the disadvantaged one and stop trying to warp things around. Whitney was not a random black woman from the ghetto. She was surrounded by the elite of the black artists who were APPEALING to the white people already. That's why also her first 2 albums were so much embraced by the WHITE RICH people.
P.S. Cissy Houston was a very successful gospel singer. Her aunt was the first american singer to sing in the metropolitan opera. Please......................
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The one with a 16-week #1
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How old are you all that trying to say that Whitney had obstacles? She was the favourite american sweetheart! I f*cking witnessed her "hey days". Madonna was having a worse time than her by being accepted by the general public. Please people who didnt witness the situation of both Mariah and Whitney stop posting just because they have an assumption like 'hey it was in the 80s ppl had some remnants of racism still so Whitney must have struggled more"!!!
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Originally posted by Marioland
Really? Her whole family was in the music recording business and she was having a nice life. Do you think its easy for you to pursue your dreams if you dont have any money at all or CONNECTIONS? You have to work as a waitress or doing similar jobs in order to support yourself and being an aspiring singer is a luxury and a delusion!
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Once again, Whitney's whole family was NOT in the music recording business. Her mother and cousins Dee Dee and Dionne were. Having connections is one thing, making the MOST of them is another. Whitney had the talent, the drive, the determination, and she had good guidance. Mariah had good guidance and connections in the form of Brenda K. Starr.
IDK where you get this lie that Whitney was some rich girl. She wasn't. She was privileged enough to get up close to great singers and superstars back then because her mother was a background singer, but she didn't get her background singing jobs, her nightclub dates because she was Cissy's daughter. She got those things because of her talent. If she wasn't able to sing, who her mother was would've been irrelevant because she lacked the goods.
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Originally posted by Marioland
Mariah was the disadvantaged one and stop trying to warp things around. Whitney was not a random black woman from the ghetto. She was surrounded by the elite of the black artists who were APPEALING to the white people already. That's why also her first 2 albums were so much embraced by the WHITE RICH people.
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This doesn't even make ANY sense LMFAOOOO! Those "elite black artists" STILL had to break down barriers to get themselves to where they were and they STILL were not on par with their white counterparts. Gosh, do you know anything about music history?
Whitney's album was embraced by EVERYONE because she had crossover APPEAL, not because she was "surrounded by the elite of black artists". What kinda logic....
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Originally posted by Marioland
P.S. Cissy Houston was a very successful gospel singer. Her aunt was the first american singer to sing in the metropolitan opera. Please......................
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Cissy was a very successful BACKGROUND singer. Her solo career didn't take off at all. And what does any of that have to do with Whitney's talents and accomplishments? What does Cissy being a singer have to do with Whitney being a black female artist surpassing the Beatles' records of consecutive #1s?
Leontyne Price is a COUSIN, not an aunt. And the classical world and the popular music world are UNIVERSES apart LMFAOOO! Leontyne's accomplishments have no bearing on the popular music world. They didn't give Whitney her talent. They didn't sell her records. So your point is nonsensical.
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Originally posted by sodade21
Besides everyone is saying.. Whitney Never evolved as an artist..she stayed the same... and after Bodyguard she was reminded vaugly as a Amazing Voice nothing else. Mariah as an artist Evolved alot she escaped of the shadow of comparison of whitney and others and became unique and did many different things.. while whitney did always the same... Career wise Mariah is by Far superior and tbh alot more talented as an artist and vocalist. Whitney just power/soul and amazing tone..Mariah all these and more range vocaly more register///alot more versatility and she wrote almost everything by herself.. she is and was an original artist with the only limit her insecurities and her voice decline.
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
What kind of blatant lie
Whitney's only memorable songs are IWALY & I Wanna Dance With Somebody
Mariah has Without You, AIWFCIY, Always Be My Baby, My All, We Belong Together, Hero etc...
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The bolded ones aren't remembered sadly, tbh
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Crying at "Whitney's only memorable songs are IWALY and I Wanna Dance with Somebody". They may be the only two Whitney songs you listen to or hear more than any of her others, but that doesn't equate to them being her only memorable songs. I can't.
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Originally posted by Marioland
It's not hard to understand it at all since I used to love alternative back in the 90's but its hard to understand that a music listener knows these artists and their songs and suddenly forgot all of Mariah's songs who at the end of the day is so much more popular and has more classics than you can count with all your fingers of your both palms.
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I have told X times that Mariah is not as popular where I live. And please stop, you have no idea how stupid you sound right now.
Patti is an iconic figure in rock and punk scene, so its quite hard to not notice her when you are a fan of that genre like I am. Patti is less known than Mariah, sure.
But firstly, I havent learned about Patti from radio.
Secondly, Im not a fan of R&B, so I wouldnt look for Mariah songs on net like I have looked for Pattis, so your arguments are meaningless.
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