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Poll: More iconic career: Mariah vs Whitney
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Mariah Carey
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43.38% |
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Whitney Houston
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56.62% |
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Originally posted by Chimier
Do you even know what Whitney Houston's legacy is? Her cultural importance? How she pioneered a style of singing that every popular vocalist has learned from for three decades? How she set many firsts that were important to black singers, R&B singers, pop singers and female singers?
"Whitney is iconic and legendary but her career was NOT."- That doesn't even make sense. What made Whitney iconic and legendary? Her career.
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It does make sense. Clearly you have a problem with reading comprehension.
Whitney was a huge influence and culturally important because of her voice and technique >>>>>> but besides a few big hits in the 80s and early 90s nobody remembers her career besides the legacy of her voice.
That's the damn truth! The drugs ruined her career!!
You are getting the question confused. Pioneering a unique style to the masses with that amazing voice does not constitute an iconic career. Did her voice have impact to the GP and the upcoming girls of course, but where are the receipts that claim she had an iconic career over Mariah's outside the fact that she was one of the best vocalists of all time?
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Originally posted by Genocide
How can a global artist go from diamond (in other countries) to mutli-platinum, to gold and silver sales?
In Mariah's case:
For example, in major markets:
France: 1.4M (diamond) > 700k (2x plat)> 200k (2x gold)
UK: 1.6M (5x plat)> 600k (2x plat) > 60k (silver)
Australia: 840k (12x plat) > 350k (5x plat) > 140k (2x plat)
Talk to Mariah and her label to update her certifications (even though some of them actually were updated this month)  . I'm basing it off of something official. |
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Those sales are wrong
Daydream is not 600K in the UK it's literally a couple of thousand copies under a million
Butterfly in the UK is over 300,000+ not 60K 
If you want receipts just go here
http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=62198
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Originally posted by Genocide
Am I missing something or?
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just a brain.
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
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Yea, it's time to end this discussion when UKMIX is deemed more reliable than RIAJ, SNEP, RIAA, BPI, ARIA, and many other sources that are actually ..official.
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Also are you forgetting that #1's was MASSIVE seller?
It debuted with over 1M in japan alone and nearly sold 2M copies in it's first week WW
It sold more than Butterfly & Rainbow with nearly 20+M WW
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Originally posted by DejaVu
just a brain.
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She's still local hun, and your overgrown tempter tantrum isn't going to help it.
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Originally posted by Genocide
Yea, it's time to end this discussion when UKMIX is deemed more reliable than RIAJ, SNEP, RIAA, BPI, ARIA, and many other sources that are actually ..official.
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Except that thread uses reliable sources for it's sales and certifications
At-least read something before you deem it less reliable
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Originally posted by atrlster
Unfortunately, her drug use and behavior on Being Bobby Brown is what makes her iconic to a lot of people now, not her career.
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This!
I mean I love Whitney, and her voice has left a legacy by itself, but the delusions here is beyond laughable!
Whitney was a non-factor in the late 90s and throughout the whole 2000s decade. I mean.
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
Also are you forgetting that #1's was MASSIVE seller?
It debuted with over 1M in japan alone and nearly sold 2M copies in it's first week WW
It sold more than Butterfly & Rainbow with nearly 20+M WW
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He didn't forget anything, he's reading this **** as he post it. It's just a way to try and downgrade Mariah's iconic status but it just comes off as pressed as all hell 
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Not really in Europe and definitely not in my country considering that Mariahs 'iconic' christmas song peaked at no. 72
For your info, IWALY is considered a christmas classic here.
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You claim that you don't know any songs of Mariah but you have on your avatar Patti Smith. Which means you lie. I even know 2 songs by Patti Smith and she is so less known than Mariah outside US or in the furthest corners of this world!
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Originally posted by Genocide
She's still local hun, and your overgrown tempter tantrum isn't going to help it.
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Let's not talk about local when artists in your signature fall under the "local" category
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
Also are you forgetting that #1's was MASSIVE seller?
It debuted with over 1M in japan alone and nearly sold 2M copies in it's first week WW
It sold more than Butterfly & Rainbow with nearly 20+M WW
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It sold over 12M. I never said it wasn't massive. I'm just stating that her albums had lackluster success outside of the US, Canada and Japan after Daydream ended. She never rebounded to her peak unlike her some of her peers
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
Except that thread uses reliable sources for it's sales and certifications
At-least read something before you deem it less reliable
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It's a damn forum. Why would I go there when I can just go straight to the source?
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
Let's not talk about local when artists in your signature fall under the "local" category
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I'll let Beyonce and Evanescence slide, but Celine Dion has doubled, some even tripled Mariah's sales outside of the US and Japan. And on top of that, has outsold Mariah's best-selling album twice. So how is she local?
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Besides everyone is saying.. Whitney Never evolved as an artist..she stayed the same... and after Bodyguard she was reminded vaugly as a Amazing Voice nothing else. Mariah as an artist Evolved alot she escaped of the shadow of comparison of whitney and others and became unique and did many different things.. while whitney did always the same... Career wise Mariah is by Far superior and tbh alot more talented as an artist and vocalist. Whitney just power/soul and amazing tone..Mariah all these and more range vocaly more register///alot more versatility and she wrote almost everything by herself.. she is and was an original artist with the only limit her insecurities and her voice decline.
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Originally posted by Genocide
It sold over 12M. I never said it wasn't massive. I'm just stating that her albums had lackluster success outside of the US, Canada and Japan after Daydream ended. She never rebounded to her peak unlike her some of her peers
It's a damn forum. Why would I go there when I can just go straight to the source?
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Madonna never reached LAV & True Blue sales again does that mean she's local? ofc not because every artist has a peak just like Mariah's peak was Musix Box & Daydream
She did rebound to her peak tho, are you forgetting TEOM? possibly the biggest comeback album of all time?
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Step by Step, Im Every Woman, I Wanna Dance With Somebody, I Have Nothing, One Moment In Time, Greatest Love Of All....
Actually Im saying that I know Mariah only for 1 song, hun. I cant even remember how that x mas song you mentioned sounds lol
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My all,Hero,Heartbreaker,Honey,We belong together,Fantasy,Dreamlover,Vision Of Love,Love Takes time,Against all odds,Thank God i Found you , Endless Love,Its like that...... you dont know any of these songs? well then something is wrong with you..not with your country nor Mariahs career or popularity...
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Originally posted by Marioland
You claim that you don't know any songs of Mariah but you have on your avatar Patti Smith. Which means you lie. I even know 2 songs by Patti Smith and she is so less known than Mariah outside US or in the furthest corners of this world!
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WTF has Patti to do with this?
Is it so hard for you to understand that some people are interested into rock, punk and alternative music so much that they passionately discover new and also old artists just because they love the genre?
I just cant 
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I am shock Whitney is not winning by a landslide. She is THE premiere pop vocalist of music. She is THE voice. Not to mention, she has THE greatest love song of all time.
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
Madonna never reached LAV & True Blue sales again does that mean she's local? ofc not because every artist has a peak just like Mariah's peak was Musix Box & Daydream
She did rebound to her peak tho, are you forgetting TEOM? possibly the biggest comeback album of all time?
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Madonna was always more consistent than Mariah - or the majority of her peers at that. When Mariah declined, she never got back up. When Madonna flopped, it didn't take long to spring back in action.
For example (starting point to before they fell off):
TIC (26M) > Erotica (5M) > Bedtime Stories (6M) > ROL (15M) > Music (11M)
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Daydream (20M) > Butterfly (8M) > Rainbow (6M) > Charmbracelet (2M)
Mariah's had a great career, I'm just saying that when she fell off, she never rebounded. However, I have my own theories as of why that is so - but as Cain put it, Mariah's done much more than Whitney in her career, she's just not credited for it.
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Originally posted by simon
I am shock Whitney is not winning by a landslide. She is THE premiere pop vocalist of music. She is THE voice. Not to mention, she has THE greatest love song of all time. |
She's not winning by a landslide because many people can come in here and realize who had a more iconic CAREER, not voice - not vocalism.
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Originally posted by Genocide
Madonna was always more consistent than Mariah - or the majority of her peers at that. When Mariah declined, she never got back up. When Madonna flopped, it didn't take long to spring back in action.
For example (starting point to before they fell off):
TIC (26M) > Erotica (5M) > Bedtime Stories (6M) > ROL (15M) > Music (11M)
vs.
Daydream (20M) > Butterfly (8M) > Rainbow (6M) > Charmbracelet (2M)
Mariah's had a great career, I'm just saying that when she fell off, she never rebounded. However, I have my own theories as of why that is so - but as Cain put it, Mariah's done much more than Whitney in her career, she's just not credited for it.
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I don't want to fight anymore because it's just stupid
Care to share your theories?
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