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what pokemon is that with the fire around it? It kinda looks like the fire starter evo but on all 4s
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Originally posted by Corsola
I also don't use it because of the lack of priority it has + average attacking stats that can just be surpassed or equaled by somebody else anyway. Azumarill on the other hand has priority unlike Eelektross, better bulk, and most importantly it's attack stat can't just be easily surpassed like Eelektross's can be
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It's not really bulkier by THAT much, plus Eelektross has no weaknesses. Eelektross also has a much better movepool (Giga Drain, Flamethrower, Thunderbolt) so I guess that somehow makes up for the lack of attacking stats. Putting Aqua Jet aside, how does it really stand out?
And no, I'm not trying to change this into an Eelektross discussion. I was just wondering why you hate Eelektross yet like Azumarill when they're pretty similar.
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
It's not really bulkier by THAT much, plus Eelektross has no weaknesses. Eelektross also has a much better movepool (Giga Drain, Flamethrower, Thunderbolt) so I guess that somehow makes up for the lack of attacking stats. Putting Aqua Jet aside, how does it really stand out?
And no, I'm not trying to change this into an Eelektross discussion. I was just wondering why you hate Eelektross yet like Azumarill when they're pretty similar.
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But has an Eelektross ever caused you a lot of trouble? The way Azumarill stands out is it's sheer power. Eelektross lacks that as it's outclassed by numerous examples I posted in that category.
They're not that similar at all, which is why one is in NU and the other is in UU. And I've used both in their respective tiers. I dumped Eelektross after like a day because it was so bad for me, and for Azumarill I kept it the whole way until I left that whole team altogether.
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Originally posted by Corsola
But has an Eelektross ever caused you a lot of trouble? The way Azumarill stands out is it's sheer power. Eelektross lacks that as it's outclassed by numerous examples I posted in that category.
They're not that similar at all, which is why one is in NU and the other is in UU. And I've used both in their respective tiers. I dumped Eelektross after like a day because it was so bad for me, and for Azumarill I kept it the whole way until I left that whole team altogether.
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I'd hate to bring another Pokemon up (believe me, I do), but I don't really think sheer power alone makes you exceptional. I mean, how about Rampardos?
Azumarill will be pretty much overlooked if it wasn't for Aqua Jet  Otherwise he wouldn't be able to outspeed anything and the opponents will be able to take him down.
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
I'd hate to bring another Pokemon up (believe me, I do), but I don't really think sheer power alone makes you exceptional. I mean, how about Rampardos?
Azumarill will be pretty much overlooked if it wasn't for Aqua Jet Otherwise he wouldn't be able to outspeed anything and the opponents will be able to take him down. |
But to say that a pokemon would be overlooked without their biggest power doesn't validate anything. I could say Ferrothorn would suck if it was Ice and I wouldn't get many disagreements. Azumarill can use Aqua Jet to make people at like 1hp think he'll aqua jet them, instead substitute, and proceed to do lots of damage. All of the pokemon you compare him to are NU for a reason, and Azumarill is UU and even a top tier threat in it.
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Someone battle me on showdown!
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Originally posted by PhreshDiamond
what pokemon is that with the fire around it? It kinda looks like the fire starter evo but on all 4s
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That's MegaBlaziken. 
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Originally posted by Corsola
But to say that a pokemon would be overlooked without their biggest power doesn't validate anything. I could say Ferrothorn would suck if it was Ice and I wouldn't get many disagreements. Azumarill can use Aqua Jet to make people at like 1hp think he'll aqua jet them, instead substitute, and proceed to do lots of damage. All of the pokemon you compare him to are NU for a reason, and Azumarill is UU and even a top tier threat in it.
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But the problem with Azumarill is that his biggest power is the only thing that actually makes him stand out. Without Aqua Jet, its just a Water-type Rampardos that's probably gonna get suck in NU as well. Saying Ferrothorn would suck if it was Ice is true, but that's kinda thinking of the worst case scenario. It's not necessarily the same as saying "Azumarill would be overlooked w/o Aqua Jet."
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Originally posted by AMIT
That's MegaBlaziken. |
I see it now.
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
But the problem with Azumarill is that his biggest power is the only thing that actually makes him stand out. Without Aqua Jet, its just a Water-type Rampardos that's probably gonna get suck in NU as well. Saying Ferrothorn would suck if it was Ice is true, but that's kinda thinking of the worst case scenario. It's not necessarily the same as saying "Azumarill would be overlooked w/o Aqua Jet."
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He's far from Rampardos though. He would move up to OU WAY faster than he'd fall all the way down to NU. I mean, just go to his Smogon page and see all the praise he gets. He's a top tier threat really and I agree from first hand experience.
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Originally posted by Corsola
He's far from Rampardos though. He would move up to OU WAY faster than he'd fall all the way down to NU. I mean, just go to his Smogon page and see all the praise he gets. He's a top tier threat really and I agree from first hand experience.
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I know, but I'm saying if you take away Aqua Jet (which again, is the only thing that makes him stand out). Other than that, it's just another beastly Pokemon with HUGE attack but very low speed, which WILL get in the way of his sweeping.
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
I know, but I'm saying if you take away Aqua Jet (which again, is the only thing that makes him stand out). Other than that, it's just another beastly Pokemon with HUGE attack but very low speed, which WILL get in the way of his sweeping.
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But it's not like Aqua Jet is going to disappear, so why are you bringing it up so much? Of course it would ]affect his sweeping capabilities but it won't since it's not just going to disappear. Without Speed Boost Blaziken would never be as good as it is now, but that doesn't mean it's a bad pokemon just because it wouldn't be as good without Speed Boost.
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Originally posted by Corsola
But it's not like Aqua Jet is going to disappear, so why are you bringing it up so much? Of course it would ]affect his sweeping capabilities but it won't since it's not just going to disappear. Without Speed Boost Blaziken would never be as good as it is now, but that doesn't mean it's a bad pokemon just because it wouldn't be as good without Speed Boost.
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Because it's the only thing that's keeping him from becoming a top-threat tier in UU. Without it, he'll be overlooked. And it's a bit different with Blaziken as well. Blaziken w/o Speed Boost actually did fairly well with a Choice Scarf. He was actually useful with or without Speed Boost. Can't say the same for Azumarill and Aqua Jet. Would he be a bad pokemon w/o Aqua Jet? That arguable, but he certainly will be overlooked.
And that's the point I'm trying to make.
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The starters evo are ugly. #ThatsAll
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
Because it's the only thing that's keeping him from becoming a top-threat tier in UU. Without it, he'll be overlooked. And it's a bit different with Blaziken as well. Blaziken w/o Speed Boost actually did fairly well with a Choice Scarf. He was actually useful with or without Speed Boost. Can't say the same for Azumarill and Aqua Jet. Would he be a bad pokemon w/o Aqua Jet? That arguable, but he certainly will be overlooked.
And that's the point I'm trying to make.
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But as I said, who cares? Because it's not going to happen. If that Blaziken example wasn't good enough, how about the fact that Ninetales and Politoed would both be bad too if they didn't have their weather inducing abilities? It's undeniable, but that doesn't make them bad in the least sense.
Instead of focusing on ifs that won't ever happen, it's better to just focus on what is happening and what will continue to happen.
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Who wants to get scalped on Showdown?
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Originally posted by Borntodiethisway
Who wants to get scalped on Showdown?
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I'll be in the NU chat.
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sis me
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adfhsk let me record these episodes of Sex and the City and come on. I want to make a new NU team but I can't think of what Pokémon I want to base it on.
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Originally posted by Parks
adfhsk let me record these episodes of Sex and the City and come on. I want to make a new NU team but I can't think of what Pokémon I want to base it on.
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Queen Stunfisk, obviously.
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