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Poll: Is Rihanna a singles driven artist?
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View Poll Results: Do singles drive Rihannas career?
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Agree with Bill.
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92.11% |
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Don't think so.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Kworb
That is not the topic at all. The topic is if Rihanna is a singles driven artist.
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Other people brought up 21 and Speak now so 
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Member Since: 9/22/2011
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Of course she is. Rihanna is the post-album artist of the modern age.
Most people aren't interested in spending more than 1.29$ on artists they're not invested in. There is so much music being made with so many performers vying for our attention and our money, people are just trained to zone out and consume passively- and that's why artists like Rihanna and Katy do so well as "singles artists" (a term that's since become a sort of pejorative here) in this new digital music industry. They make music for the generation raised on iPods and mp3s that live from hot single to hot single and don't really care about investing in a full body of work from artists that are content to oblige their passing interest with ephemeral offerings.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by PULSE.
So TTT wasn't a hyped release after LOUD, and a 10 week #1 single?
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lol yes & no
of course the success of loud and of we found love helped ttt at the start but its mishandling post-release definitely hurt its chances at being hugely successful AND it also was only released 1 year after loud, leaving many people unable to distinguish between the two since cheers and we found love were literally 6 weeks apart from each other in release.
with 4, beyonce took over a year away from the public eye, which helped to create a level of interest in a new beyonce project
ttt did not have that
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Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction
No, it wasn't. The fact that the GP thought WFL was a part of Loud but the fact that TTT still sold 3+ million WW speaks volumes about the GP's desire for Rih. |
 at the GP thought WFL was apart of LOUD You don't even believe that  Without WFL TTT would have sold much less, which brings us back to the topic of this thread.
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
UA is about 3.2 and 4 RECENTLY crossed 3. It's sad that they're so close when Rihanna has had all the hits she's had.
You guys can keep trying to make it seem like doing just over 3 million is good with the amount of hits she has, but it's not. Once she stops making hits her album sales are going to sink even further.
Hell, at this point, she should be able to sell close to 3 million off name along. Having WW #1s should have her crossing at least 5 milli. If Bey was to have had any kind of #1 from 4 it would be wayyyy past 4 million at the least off that ONE hit alone.
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not u inflating ur own fave's sales and deflating my fave'S sales
Una is at 3.45 according to mediatraffic so..
rihanna scored only 2 hits this era not 4 or 5 ..
and lol at u thinking hits are the only way to boost the sales..rihanna has not done promo since the grammys ..beyonce on the other hand has done promo the whole year + released singles constantly ..rih has released 3 singles so far one of the being a flop ..
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Originally posted by PULSE.
at the GP thought WFL was apart of LOUD You don't even believe that Without WFL TTT would have sold much less, which brings us back to the topic of this thread. |
idk if i would go as far as to say that people thought wfl was on loud, but it definitely did not come across as a new project altogether
cheers was released WEEKS before we found love, there was no space between the two eras which would allow for ttt to appear separate
and that not only hurt ttt's ability to stand on its own as an album, but also hurt any anticipation that could have been behind it
add to that that the era was basically ignored between january and may and it's no wonder that the album did not sell thru the roof
YES, wfl & whyb helped ttt to sell
but i think it selling 3 million goes beyond the hits in that case
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Originally posted by Fanik
the question is who is able to sell 3-6 M albums without having a hit in these days  |
Ok?!  Multiple smash singles equates to a high selling album... it's not rocket science.
I'm certain it's the formula for every major artist.
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Originally posted by PULSE.
at the GP thought WFL was apart of LOUD You don't even believe that Without WFL TTT would have sold much less, which brings us back to the topic of this thread. |
As KoreanDream already stated, the release dates for Cheers and WFL were very close. Had WFL not been released and Cheers was allowed to run its full course as a single, it would have had a top 3 peak. However, due to the surprise release (to the GP, not to stans), WFL took off (slowly) and Cheers died. There was no distinction.
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
idk if i would go as far as to say that people thought wfl was on loud, but it definitely did not come across as a new project altogether
cheers was released WEEKS before we found love, there was no space between the two eras which would allow for ttt to appear separate
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but ha hair wasn't red anymore
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Originally posted by BSNMology
4 was expertly promoted. I mean, Beyonce headlined Glastonbury for crying out loud. She appeared on a string of several other of high profile events, including Oprah's finale, American Idol finale, Billboard Awards (where she received the highest honor). She not ONLY performed Run The World during her promo run, but 1+1 and BTINH, giving a feel for the ENTIRE BODY OF WORK. She did Love On Top at the VMAs and (if I'm not mistaken) Countdown was televised on Jimmy Kimmel and five songs got music videos (not including the I Was Here special vid or Dance For You, cuz that's not on the standard edition).
2.1 million without a huge single is nothing to scoff at, but at the same time, it's not like she did NOTHING. Beyonce was everywhere.
HAD she had hits, yes, the album would have done ridiculously better, but if that's the argument, then technically that makes Beyonce a singles driven artist as well, if we're being relative, comparing 4 to DIL, Bday and IASF.
What is the point you're trying to make? |
What's the point you are trying to make talking about promo, when the conversation is about singles selling albums? 4 sold 3M WW with no hit singles.
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
idk if i would go as far as to say that people thought wfl was on loud, but it definitely did not come across as a new project altogether
cheers was released WEEKS before we found love, there was no space between the two eras which would allow for ttt to appear separate
and that not only hurt ttt's ability to stand on its own as an album, but also hurt any anticipation that could have been behind it
add to that that the era was basically ignored between january and may and it's no wonder that the album did not sell thru the roof
YES, wfl & whyb helped ttt to sell
but i think it selling 3 million goes beyond the hits in that case
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It came across as a new project, the WORLDWIDE announcement and the 10 week run #1, the performace/promotion, Rihanna's twitter/facebook updates made sure of that.
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Originally posted by Desert Rain
Very fair point.
I do think there was an element of confusion in the order of things which stunted the performance of each consecutive single.
Anyhow, back to Rih.
She's a single driven as they come. The girl's only as successful as her last (fan acknowledged) single.
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Lol because Beyonce doesn't need successful singles and/or constant promo to sell albums? 
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Originally posted by QueenBLadyG
What's the point you are trying to make talking about promo, when the conversation is about singles selling albums? 4 sold 3M WW with no hit singles.
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Unless you followed the entire conversation, shut up.
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Originally posted by rihannabiggestfan
Lol because Beyonce doesn't need successful singles and/or constant promo to sell albums? |
4's industry standard sales tell us no!
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Originally posted by BSNMology
Unless you followed the entire conversation, shut up. |
Oh please grow up. Resorting to telling me to shut up because you can't make any sense.
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Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction
As KoreanDream already stated, the release dates for Cheers and WFL were very close. Had WFL not been released and Cheers was allowed to run its full course as a single, it would have had a top 3 peak. However, due to the surprise release (to the GP, not to stans), WFL took off (slowly) and Cheers died. There was no distinction. |
So what if the release dates were very close. You STILL were aware WFL was the NEW single off her upcoming NEW album TTT. Her promotion, the WORLDWIDE PRESS RELEASE, her TV appearances, mag covers and countless other media outlets made sure of that. You have to be blind and deaf to not know. Let's cut the BS here.
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Well this got kind of messy 
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Originally posted by Desert Rain
4's industry standard sales tell us no!
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Wrong, you forgot how much she promoted her album. If she didn't do that, it would struggle to sell 2m WW. Rihanna doesn't have to do much promo because her singles can do really well. And if she does promote a lot in the era, then 6m WW.
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Yes. But most pop artists are singles artists these days with the exception of ADELE.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by PULSE.
So what if the rlease dates were very close. You STILL aware WFL was the NEW single offf her upcoming NEW album TTT. Her promotion, the WORLDWIDE PRESS RELEASE, her TV appearance made sure of that. You have to be blind and deaf to not know. Let's cut the BS here.
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aren't you kinda trying to make a point here that has nothing to do with the thread?
you're insinuating that with everything put into the album and with wfl, that ttt underperformed and sold less than it "should have", which basically means you're trying to make rih look like a failure
what you're supposed to be doing is making a case about whether or not rih is a singles artist
based off of your previous posts, you think rih is a singles-driven artist, and as a result, i'd expect you to argue ttt sold solidly BECAUSE of wfl
instead you're implying ttt sold POORLY in spite of wfl
that there has nothing to do with the thread sweetcheeks
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