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Poll: Was "4" really a flop?
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View Poll Results: Did it really flop?
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Yes, it underperformed and didn't live up to Bey's status
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No, considering the circumstances it did well.
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Member Since: 5/20/2012
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4 did not have 5+ singles. Remove that delusion from your heads.
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Member Since: 3/31/2012
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Originally posted by QueenBeyoncé
I know your fave wishes she could flop like Beyonce. Beyonce's flop got her as the headliner at the Super Bowl. Xtina's flopS got her a seasonal job at a judges chair.
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Bish!  
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Her fans call her an album artist so she needs to sell +5M even If her all singles flop.
But still I didn't consider 4 as a flop because it sold 1.5m outside US. This is good for her since she is not a global artist.
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NOOO! She sold over 15-16m records in this era! so, def not flop.. but maybe underperformance!
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Quote:
Originally posted by QueenBeyoncé
I know your fave wishes she could flop like Beyonce. Beyonce's flop got her as the headliner at the Super Bowl. Xtina's flopS got her a seasonal job at a judges chair.
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Well, someone had to do that, s/he's BEEN fuming in Beyoncé threads.
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Yes
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Member Since: 11/6/2010
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
The album no, it was a big 70% drop in sales from I Am Sasha Fierce but it still sold decently. The era as a whole though was a flop because it greatly lessened her status among the pop divas and it produced NO hit singles. For a big star like Beyonce who did massive promo around the world that is disastrous, and it's apparent in how reluctant her label is to start the new era, afraid they won't have any hits again. Hit singles are the bread and butter of any pop star and an absolutely necessary component, having none means the era as a whole did not work.
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Basically.
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Member Since: 3/31/2012
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Quote:
Originally posted by OnlyRihanna
Her fans call her an album artist so she needs to sell +5M even If her all singles flop.
But still I didn't consider 4 as a flop because it sold 1.5m outside US. This is good for her since she is not a global artist.
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Funny this "local" artist album sold around the same amount as "global" artists past 2 albums, without the hits pushing it 
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Singles are the bread and butter? Funny because didn't Beyonce earned more money off her flop singles than girls with the hit singles?I believe so. 
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Quote:
Originally posted by OnlyRihanna
Her fans call her an album artist so she needs to sell +5M even If her all singles flop.
But still I didn't consider 4 as a flop because it sold 1.5m outside US. This is good for her since she is not a global artist.
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DIL - 5M US / 6M WW
B'day - 3.5M US / 3.5M WW
IASF - 3.3M US / 3.7M WW
4- 1.3M US / 1.7M WW
Nice try.
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Member Since: 10/14/2011
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Yes, 4 really was a flop.
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Member Since: 6/2/2011
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Originally posted by QueenBeé
DIL - 5M US / 6M WW
B'day - 3.5M US / 3.5M WW
IASF - 3.3M US / 3.7M WW
4- 1.3M US / 1.7M WW
Nice try.
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Lie detected
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
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It sold 3M worldwide, even it didn't, it at least sold 2.8M, which brings her WW sales outside US to 1.5M.  My point still stands.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
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4 has sold almost 1.4m worldwide. The tour effect throughout Europe was pretty substantial so we can assume it's closer to 3 million than it was back in 2012.
Even so, giving it 2.9m, we see 1.5 million from outside the US. Pretty good for an underperforming RnB album.
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Originally posted by PULSE.
Singles are the bread and butter? Funny because didn't Beyonce earned more money off her flop singles than girls with the hit singles?I believe so. |
Hit songs are essential to a pop star, they are what gives them a presence in the music world, if you don't have a hit song then the GP is not listening to your music. So many eras sell well yet only appeal to the fanbase and are unknown to most people because they have no popular songs. 4 sold decently (big drop from IASF, but still decent sales) but she had no songs that made an impact with people, no songs played in the clubs, on the radio, etc to the level she had before. It's not just about $$$, it's about how many people are listening to and enjoying your music. Otherwise you might as well stan for money.
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Underperformed yes, flop no
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DIL has sold 9m. 5m in the US, 4m WW
B'Day has sold 6m. 3.5m in the US, 2.5m WW
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Not Bionic flop, but still a flop.
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Quote:
Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Hit songs are essential to a pop star, they are what gives them a presence in the music world, if you don't have a hit song then the GP is not listening to your music. So many eras sell well yet only appeal to the fanbase and are unknown to most people because they have no popular songs. 4 sold decently (big drop from IASF, but still decent sales) but she had no songs that made an impact with people, no songs played in the clubs, on the radio, etc to the level she had before. It's not just about $$$, it's about how many people are listening to and enjoying your music. Otherwise you might as well stan for money.
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No. You have a bit of a point there, but generally, no. Singles, or hit singles are there to promote the album, your first concern as an artist is to sell albums, not singles. Singles are what gets you recognized. What good is an artist if they have a hit song that gets played in the clubs if no one is actually interested in buying their album, exploring their discography more than just that one hit song.
If Beyonce is doing good with album sales it definitely means that people are interested in listening to her, otherwise they wouldn't be buying the album, obviously. And a good thing about being a legend like Beyonce is that, even though she had no "impact with songs" she still had a lot of impact by just being herself. At the beginning of the year, everything was about her, from the inauguration to superbowl, to Bow Down / I Been On, the sold out tour...
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