So if Janet is local, can you explain to me why her first tour sold out on 4 continents, and why she's sold more records OUTSIDE of the US than in her homeland?
Yeah and why is after all these years no other debut tour sold as well as hers????? People kill me with that dumb as line.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
What songs people can name has absolutely no bearing on what defines an international hit. Hell I like Celine myself and I can't name any of her songs outside of MHWGO, ABM, "If You Ask Me To", and "Because You Love Me". You can't use the ignorance of others to support your argument. From what I've noticed, Janet's international fans have stated on numerous occasions that "When I Think Of You", "The Best Things In Life Are Free", "Runaway", "Together Again", "That's The Way Love Goes", and "What Have You Done For Me Lately" are consistently played on stations in their countries.
"You can't just say that Celine "only" has sold more albums/records, because that's all it's about."
And you're absolutely correct, at least for Janet you can't. Whenever Celine is mentioned on ATRL, it's ALWAYS about her album sales and how big MHWGO is. I've never seen discussions about how transcendent her music is, memorable performances, or what legendary videos she has. Janet has set the standard for the female pop star. She is the template. Her videos are legendary. Her albums are held at a higher standard than all of Celine's. She is the standard for female dance. She has set the tone for live performing. Celine's only talent is her karaoke voice, which sits in third place behind Whitney and Mariah, more accomplished vocalists. As I've stated many times, commercial success does not make an artist a legend. What makes an artist a legend is how their work has contributed to and/or altered the progression of pop culture at a recognizable level by both the critics and the general public. Celine has contributed NOTHING important to the shaping of pop culture. Turn on the radio and you'll hear "Any Time, Any Place" sampled. Go to Selena Gomez' up coming tour, it's Janet inspired. Look at Britney, Beyonce, Usher, Gaga, Rihanna, etc doing what Janet was doing 10-20 years ago while Celine was busy lowering keys in her live performances and covering songs note-for-note with ZERO interpretive musicianship.
Her last name alone is more iconic then Celine. Janet has influenced the pop girls of this generation including some of your favs, Can't say the same for Celine.
Not you children saying janet is local, Sis was SELLING OUT Tours in ASIA, most impressively, the 48,000-capacity Tokyo Dome with four shows, which still holds the record for the fastest sell out in the history of the Tokyo Dome, a record seven minutes.
Janet's Legacy can still be seen today, she is LEGENDARY The FIRST FEMALE to have #1's in the 80S, 90S AND 00s. CELINE HAS 22 ALBUMS I mean of course she has sold more albums then janet but she lacks the impact.
No it's the other way around, slaes doesn't mean she is more influential. Th e receipts have been posted in this thread, Janet influenced way more stars and they have followed her blueprint in comparison to celine dion from
JT
Usher
Beyonce
Rihanna
J.LO
Britney Spears
Xtina
Selena Gomez
Teyana Taylor
The rest of N'SYNC
Pink
Aaliyah
Mya
etc.............
The list goes on and on and on her style, music and choreography still is being recreated today she is the most influential female pop artist damn near madonna.
Influenced more stars? Janet, her influence is more widespread, too.
More critically acclaimed? Janet.
Overall the bigger legend? Janet.
The only two things Celine has over Janet are her album sales and "My Heart Will Go On". Four of Janet's albums are ranked by top publications as being the greatest of all time and/or the greatest of a decade. The janet. album alone is more acclaimed than Celine's 492 releases. Yes "My Heart Will Go On" was more of a hit than any Janet song, but "Nasty" and "Rhythm Nation" alone are more widely recognized than anything in Celine's catalog. RN continues to inspire around the globe. Your faves continue to cite Janet as an influence - Selena Gomez being the most recent. Your faves continue to copy draw inspiration from her videos, emulate her style, xerox her artistic growth, sample her songs, and the list goes on. The only thing we use Celine for is that nasally ass, karaoke ass, poor intonation ass, unhealthy belting ass, wannabe dramatic soprano ass voice
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
What songs people can name has absolutely no bearing on what defines an international hit. Hell I like Celine myself and I can't name any of her songs outside of MHWGO, ABM, "If You Ask Me To", and "Because You Love Me". You can't use the ignorance of others to support your argument. From what I've noticed, Janet's international fans have stated on numerous occasions that "When I Think Of You", "The Best Things In Life Are Free", "Runaway", "Together Again", "That's The Way Love Goes", and "What Have You Done For Me Lately" are consistently played on stations in their countries.
"You can't just say that Celine "only" has sold more albums/records, because that's all it's about."
And you're absolutely correct, at least for Janet you can't. Whenever Celine is mentioned on ATRL, it's ALWAYS about her album sales and how big MHWGO is. I've never seen discussions about how transcendent her music is, memorable performances, or what legendary videos she has. Janet has set the standard for the female pop star. She is the template. Her videos are legendary. Her albums are held at a higher standard than all of Celine's. She is the standard for female dance. She has set the tone for live performing. Celine's only talent is her karaoke voice, which sits in third place behind Whitney and Mariah, more accomplished vocalists. As I've stated many times, commercial success does not make an artist a legend. What makes an artist a legend is how their work has contributed to and/or altered the progression of pop culture at a recognizable level by both the critics and the general public. Celine has contributed NOTHING important to the shaping of pop culture. Turn on the radio and you'll hear "Any Time, Any Place" sampled. Go to Selena Gomez' up coming tour, it's Janet inspired. Look at Britney, Beyonce, Usher, Gaga, Rihanna, etc doing what Janet was doing 10-20 years ago while Celine was busy lowering keys in her live performances and covering songs note-for-note with ZERO interpretive musicianship.
These gurls don't know what it takes to be a LEGEND. That's why they throw the word around on a daily basis. SALES DOES NOT EQUAL LEGEND
Celine Dion. I have never heared a Janet Jackson song and she was always overshadowed by her brother. My Heart Will Gone On >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
