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Discussion: Beyoncé, Janet and Aaliyah
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Originally posted by Lasers
Blind or not, Stevie AND Janet still admired Aaliyah.  And it has to do with her legacy because the same people YOU worship disagree with everything you say about Aaliyah apparently.
1. Aaliyah's work have recieved great reviews by rolling stone and NME, also she made pitchfork's list several times.
2. It's all opinions by the end of the day.
3. I never said any of this. So thats here nor there.
4. lol what? Keke Palmer, Beyonce, Amerie, Kelly Rowland, Jojo, Tiffan Evans, Azelia Banks, Brandy, Dawn Richard, Utada, and countless other r & b singers cite Aaliyah as an influence. And let's not even get started on how Rappers and Indie Rock Bands alike are ALWAYS sampling her music.
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Sweetie, Stevie pretty much likes everyone who has a message of peace and love.  So using him as leverage doesn't mean much. Hell he's performed with Justin Bieber.
Having great reviews does not equate to being a recognized artist. Where is she on the "decade end" lists? Where are her albums on the "greatest of all time" lists? Where is she on the "greatest songs" lists? She's nowhere to be found.
Also, being mentioned by artists ≠ those artists being influenced by her, esp if they haven't outright said they've drawn inspiration from her work.
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Add Whitney, Mary, and Mariah to that list.
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Janet was ahead of her time, her music, her image, her class. I swore up and down when i was little i was gonna marry her.
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Originally posted by King of R&B
But Alicia still had competition. Beyonce is a huge competition since she one of Grammy fave, Mary J. Blige was still big at that time and Usher was a big competition in 2004 with his best selling R&B Album in the 00's Confessions.
You did and every single Grammy (not some) she had won was fair.
Yet you just said she sing better than Alicia but you doing the same thing I'm doing right now and that laughing at the fact that the Grammy actually nod Try Again for best vocals. And they also nod her for "Rock The Boat" in 2002 but Alicia beat her with the classic Fallin. Dead @ her last album being her only album to be nod for "Best R&B Album" and yes Alicia bet her again.
Yet One In A Million didn't win and even wasn't nod for a Grammy while Songs In A Minor and The Diary of Alicia Keys both Grammy winner. Songs In A Minor was bigger than One In A Million and Fallin' is bigger than the rest of One In A Million singles. Alicia debut is bigger than everything Aaliyah had done. Amy Winehouse is bigger than Aaliyah period. You need to stop.
Yet Aaliyah couldn't beat Alicia in 2002 for best vocals at the Grammy.
Alicia >>>>>>> Aaliyah "Ciara" like vocal.
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And Aaliyah had to compete with Lauryh Hill, TLC, Mariah Carey, Toni Braxton Janet, Whitney, lol the list goes on. r & b had way more hot artists back then as compared to Alicia's era. This shouldn't be a debate
Again, this just further proves my point. Instead of sending in songs like "I care 4 u" That shows off Aaliyah's vocals, they just sent in songs like RTB and Try Again that doesn't show off her vocal ability at all. I';m not delusional. The vocals on Fallen>> The vocals on RTB. RTB isn't a song that has vocals in it. And besides, Grammies doesn't mean everything. There's a lot of dope @ss singers who don;t have grammies. (Tamia, Kelly Price, etc) Who will sing Alicia Keys under a table.
You keep talking the same nonsense. "Wasn't nominated for grammy, didn't win grammy!" "Alicia won ___" Alicia competes with Trey Songz and Chris Brown for grammies + Clive on the commitee.. What is your point here? 
Any fool could realize that it was harder to win grammies back then compared to now. Hence why REAL legends like Janet, Aretha, Chaka, Patti, Whitney, MAriah, etc have considerable less than Alicia, despite them overall being more sucessful and made a bigger impact than Alicia ever could.
Lol @ you using grammies as a reprentation of vocals. I'm done. Alicia been getting clowned for her voice. Stop
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Member Since: 4/30/2009
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
Sweetie, Stevie pretty much likes everyone who has a message of peace and love. So using him as leverage doesn't mean much. Hell he's performed with Justin Bieber.
Having great reviews does not equate to being a recognized artist. Where is she on the "decade end" lists? Where are her albums on the "greatest of all time" lists? Where is she on the "greatest songs" lists? She's nowhere to be found.
Also, being mentioned by artists ≠ those artists being influenced by her, esp if they haven't outright said they've drawn inspiration from her work. |
Girl, bye. Stevie even said that he was excited to meet Aaliyah because he was a fan of her music. And let's not even get Started on Janet. We've been here before sis.
*waits for your excuse*
Pitchfork (USA) - Top 200 Tracks of the 1990s (2010) 8
Pitchfork (USA) - The 100 Best Singles of 2000-2004 (2005) 37
Pitchfork (USA) - The Pitchfork 500 (2008) No Order
Pitchfork (USA) - The Top 500 Tracks of the 2000s 75
Rolling Stone (USA) - The Top 100 Songs of the 2000s 86
New Musical Express (UK) - The Top 100 Singles of All Time (2002) 93
And she wasnt just "mentioned". These artists CITED her as an influence.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
That said, Janet and Madonna are easily the two greatest female artists of the past 30 years. The third slot remains empty. No female of the past 30 years has a catalog good enough to stand next to theirs.
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Lately what the HELL? 
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Anyway, all of this is debatable.
Beyoncé is definitely on her way to legendary status, but I still think she needs that album that people (critics & the public alike) REALLY take notice of.
Aaliyah's career was too short, and while some people tend to boost her legacy to levels unheard of, I feel a lot of people do underrate her catalog and the impact she has on later artists and audiences. Look at the controversy regarding Drake releasing new Aaliyah music!
Janet has about three or four classic albums, but with the SuperBowl/Nipplegate & poor to semi-decent releases since 2004, her legacy has been a bit tarnished. I do think she will get her credit once again when she passes, but most people seem to dismiss the work she did pre-Nipplegate & everything since then has been dud after dud.
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And Aaliyah had to compete with Lauryh Hill, TLC, Mariah Carey, Toni Braxton Janet, Whitney, lol the list goes on. r & b had way more hot artists back then as compared to Alicia's era. This shouldn't be a debate.
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How Aaliyah compete with Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson and Lauryn Hill when people never compared her to them? Aaliyah only got compared to Monica and Brandy. Who would compare Whitney to Aaliyah? Like really?
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Again, this just further proves my point. Instead of sending in songs like "I care 4 u" That shows off Aaliyah's vocals, they just sent in songs like RTB and Try Again that doesn't show off her vocal ability at all. I';m not delusional. The vocals on Fallen>> The vocals on RTB. RTB isn't a song that has vocals in it. And besides, Grammies doesn't mean everything. There's a lot of dope @ss singers who don;t have grammies. (Tamia, Kelly Price, etc) Who will sing Alicia Keys under a table.
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Fallin' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I Care 4 U. And yes Tamia and Kelly Price would sing Alicia under the table but they will also sing Aaliyah under the grass and dirt. 
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You keep talking the same nonsense. "Wasn't nominated for grammy, didn't win grammy!" "Alicia won ___" Alicia competes with Trey Songz and Chris Brown for grammies + Clive on the commitee.. What is your point here?
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How Chris Brown and Trey Songs competes with Alicia when they not in the same level as her boo. Like are you serious? And what Clive got to do with anything again?
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Any fool could realize that it was harder to win grammies back then compared to now. Hence why REAL legends like Janet, Aretha, Chaka, Patti, Whitney, MAriah, etc have considerable less than Alicia, despite them overall being more sucessful and made a bigger impact than Alicia ever could.
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Yes they all made a bigger impact than Alicia. No duh!
But Alicia Keys made a bigger impact than Aaliyah. One In A Million or her other albums will never be more remembered than Songs in the Minor and The Diary Of Alicia Keys.
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Lol @ you using grammies as a reprentation of vocals. I'm done. Alicia been getting clowned for her voice.
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And Lol @ you thinking that Aaliyah sing better than Alicia when we all know that not true. Another Lol @ you thinking that Aaliyah is more talented than Alicia.
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Aaliyah studied vocal music with her professionally trained mother since the age of 5. Her vocal range is EQUALLY wide as Alicia Keys. Aaliyah's tone was gorgeous. She could execute complex vocal runs and harmonized beautifully. If you REALLY wrote off Aaliyah's singing because she didn't yell at the top of her damn lungs all the time... ...getting into arguments about singing isn't for you.
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Yet Prime Alicia Keys would of slayed prime Aaliyah. Alicia is clearly is the most powerful vocalist between them two. Aaliyah wasn't all that as a vocalist and I'm not saying Alicia is the best vocalist in the world or even the top ten best vocalist now but in her prime, Alicia stomp on Aaliyah vocally . I'm sorry but that the truth.
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It is not the truth. Alicia strains her voice and yells.
The power in one's voice all has to do with technique. Aaliyah could power belt and do all that ****. And she did. But it simply wasn't her style to do it all the damn time. Give me a break.
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Give me a break. Aaliyah technique wasn't all of that either. Aaliyah have a good tone but Aaliyah was never view as a great vocalist. And plus, prime Alicia was a better live singer than prime Aaliyah was live. Aaliyah is not a better vocalist than Alicia. Sorry.
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Originally posted by BIGSEVEN&GROWING
Did Janet really have an impact? All I know her for is being MJ sister.
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Of course she did one of the most influential female artists ever up ther with Aretha and Madonna in terms of influence.
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Originally posted by satellites.™
Aaliyah? Monica and Brandy were better.
Janet? Whitney, Mariah, & Tina were better.
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Brandy was better than aaliyah, but monica and aaliyah were equals in my eyes.
I disagree with those 2 being better than Janet. Mariah & Whitney had amazing voices but their discography leaves much to be desired. Tina i'll give you that
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Originally posted by King of R&B
Give me a break. Aaliyah technique wasn't all of that either. Aaliyah have a good tone but Aaliyah was never view as a great vocalist. And plus, prime Alicia was a better live singer than prime Aaliyah was live. Aaliyah is not a better vocalist than Alicia. Sorry. |
Aaliyah had been trained PROFESSIONALLY since she was a small child. Tell me, WHAT were her technical flaws?
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Member Since: 8/22/2011
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Originally posted by Lasers
Girl, bye. Stevie even said that he was excited to meet Aaliyah because he was a fan of her music. And let's not even get Started on Janet. We've been here before sis.
*waits for your excuse*
Pitchfork (USA) - Top 200 Tracks of the 1990s (2010) 8
Pitchfork (USA) - The 100 Best Singles of 2000-2004 (2005) 37
Pitchfork (USA) - The Pitchfork 500 (2008) No Order
Pitchfork (USA) - The Top 500 Tracks of the 2000s 75
Rolling Stone (USA) - The Top 100 Songs of the 2000s 86
New Musical Express (UK) - The Top 100 Singles of All Time (2002) 93
And she wasnt just "mentioned". These artists CITED her as an influence.
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Aaliyah def has influence and classics but she is really overhyped
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ALL dead artists are overrated. But one of my BIGGEST pet-peeves is when people inappropriately shortchange/underrate things considered "overrated" JUST to counteract their overrating.
Happens to Beyoncé and Aaliyah all the damn time hence why my ass is steaming.
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
Aaliyah had been trained PROFESSIONALLY since she was a small child. Tell me, WHAT were her technical flaws?
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I don't care Aaliyah was trained "Professionally" because that doesn't mean she a great vocalist. Prime Aaliyah belts can't touch with prime Alicia belts live. Alicia chest range is better than Aaliyah. Plus prime Alicia raw and soulness in her vocal give people the goosebump while other people thought Aaliyah vocal is just cute because her tone is beautiful.
If prime Alicia and prime Aaliyah did a song together on stage, Alicia would of slay Aaliyah on that stage.
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