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News: Hugo Chavez is dead
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The three major problems I've witnessed skyrocket during the past years are: personal insecurity, food shortages and power outages.
I'd normally say corruption but I guess that one is the root of all problems so it'd be redundant. A lot of people in his government don't even believe in Socialism lol, they're just there to suck the blood out of everyone.
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Originally posted by Glam
Devaluation is a direct effect of inflation. If the inflation was low there'd be no need to devaluate the country's currency that much. My point was that Venezuela has had a chronic problem in terms of the country's currency, one that didn't start with Chavez and I just showed you the receipts. He might not have done what was needed to end that long affliction but you clearly said it was BECAUSE of him that we had a high inflation, as if we didn't before him. Since it was actually higher before him I encourage you to drop that argument. There are so many others you can use that make more sense.
Aside from politics, I'm glad my currency is cheap but CLEAN, not drugs money like that other country.
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All countries have inflation, and Venezuela didn't had a +20% inflation before Chávez, and the only thing his policies did was making it worse. Venezuela has all the resources to have a rich economy and he just kept wasting them.
I can't at you saying it's clean when Chávez was an ally to Las Farc, still doesn't matters cause all countries have dirty business tho.
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Originally posted by Glam
The three major problems I've witnessed skyrocket during the past years are: personal insecurity, food shortages and power outages.
I'd normally say corruption but I guess that one is the root of all problems so it'd be redundant. A lot of people in his government don't even believe in Socialism lol, they're just there to suck the blood out of everyone.
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I know. You live in Caracas as well?
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Originally posted by alfonso12
All countries have inflation, and Venezuela didn't had a +20% inflation before Chávez,
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Ugh do you just love to disregard facts? Can you PLEASE read this? http://www.indexmundi.com/venezuela/...prices%29.html
I don't know what your parents told you, cause I am going to guess that's where you get your info, but unless you have ANY source that inflation was lower during the 90s than during the 00s you can take a seat.
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Originally posted by alfonso12
I can't at you saying it's clean when Chávez was an ally to Las Farc, still doesn't matters cause all countries have dirty business tho.
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If anything Chavez was wasting money on FARC. I don't think he was getting any money from them, like you said Venezuela has more than enough resources for him to be needing outside money. It was more of an strategic ally cause he had interest on overthrowing the Colombian government. The Bolivar currency stays clean and you will deal 
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Originally posted by abrahamjmr
I know. You live in Caracas as well?
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I live in Puerto Ordaz. I don't really have to deal with power outages cause I live in one of the best parts in town so we get two outages a year at most, but I've seen other places in the city getting outages almost weekly.
Personal insecurity is a fact. I think Venezuela had around 4 thousand yearly murders before Chavez and currently has around 15-20 thousand, one of the highest murder rates in the world. And murder is just the tip of the iceberg. Other crimes are even more common.
Food shortages are a REAL struggle where I live, I don't know what it's like in Caracas. But in my town you have to make lines that last 3 hours (on a good day) to get basic food products. I can't deal with that situation anymore 
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Member Since: 6/24/2012
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Originally posted by Glam
I live in Puerto Ordaz. I don't really have to deal with power outages cause I live in one of the best parts in town so we get two outages a year at most, but I've seen other places in the city getting outages almost weekly.
Personal insecurity is a fact. I think Venezuela had around 4 thousand yearly murders before Chavez and currently has around 15-20 thousand, one of the highest murder rates in the world. And murder is just the tip of the iceberg. Other crimes are even more common.
Food shortages are a REAL struggle where I live, I don't know what it's like in Caracas. But in my town you have to make lines that last 3 hours (on a good day) to get basic food products. I can't deal with that situation anymore |
Those lines happen in Valencia as well. I haven't seen any in Caracas yet, but I can imagine there are people who have to make lines in some places of the city. I hope things get better, the devaluation will help to stop some importations that are unnecessary. I'm glad to find people from my country on this site.
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I was a supporter of Chavez when he was using oil's money to invest on the poor, it was money intended for that purpose but I opposed his decisions when he started taking over private companies after he switched the ideals of a Bolivarian revolution to a Socialist revolution. The government's inefficiency ruined many of them, at least in my town the steel and aluminum companies are the pits recently. Sure, they've always had problems but for example I did an internship in VENALUM and they hardly produce aluminum at this point, the company actually operates at loss, and the government is using money from Oil to pay the wages of the Aluminum workers. Keep in mind this is a major Aluminum factory, one of the biggest in the world. Many of the other local companies are like that. In Venalum's case they had been surpassing production goals up until 2008 but after the energetic crisis due to the drought season that year they went downhill and Chavez literally watched it happen and didn't do much to save the company. If someone from the Opposition wins I assure you that will be one of the first companies they will be selling. SIDOR is not that far off.
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Member Since: 6/24/2012
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Originally posted by Glam
I was a supporter of Chavez when he was using oil's money to invest on the poor, it was money intended for that purpose but I opposed his decisions when he started taking over private companies after he switched the ideals of a Bolivarian revolution to a Socialist revolution. The government's inefficiency ruined many of them, at least in my town the steel and aluminum companies are the pits recently. Sure, they've always had problems but for example I did an internship in VENALUM and they hardly produce aluminum at this point, the company actually operates at loss, and the government is using money from Oil to pay the wages of the Aluminum workers. Keep in mind this is a major Aluminum factory, one of the biggest in the world. Many of the other local companies are like that. In Venalum's case they had been surpassing production goals up until 2008 but after the energetic crisis due to the drought season that year they went downhill and Chavez literally watched it happen and didn't do much to save the company. If someone from the Opposition wins I assure you that will be one of the first companies they will be selling.
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I don't know why that happens, they must be working on those companies they took. I supported Chavez cause he gave back all of those oil's companies and took them from all of those US owners. It was our oil and they shouldn't have had any power on it. And what you said, he was using it to invest on the poor people. Maybe he changed his ideas, but he never stopped helping poor people... Have you seen any building from La Misión Vivienda? Poor people who had to live in dangerous places are now having a proper life. He did wrong in so many things, but he also did well in some other things. I respect the man.
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Originally posted by Glam
The Bolivar currency stays clean and you will deal |
"De hecho, desde que Chávez llegó al Gobierno en 1998 la tasa oficial de homicidios en Venezuela ha subido un 67 por ciento, debido principalmente a la violencia de las pandillas y el tráfico de drogas"
http://www.terra.com.ve/actualidad/a...act1443933.htm
I hope I can keep reading your posts in a future. 
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Originally posted by alfonso12
"De hecho, desde que Chávez llegó al Gobierno en 1998 la tasa oficial de homicidios en Venezuela ha subido un 67 por ciento, debido principalmente a la violencia de las pandillas y el tráfico de drogas"
http://www.terra.com.ve/actualidad/a...act1443933.htm
I hope I can keep reading your posts in a future. |
We both know that is not Chavez's fault.
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Originally posted by abrahamjmr
I don't know why that happens, they must be working on those companies they took. I supported Chavez cause he gave back all of those oil's companies and took them from all of those US owners. It was our oil and they shouldn't have had any power on it.
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I don't mind this. Hope this is a policy that continues. Although considering how much oil he gave to the Caribbean countries I hope that the production is at least doubled in the next 6 years cause we are in need of that money too 
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Originally posted by abrahamjmr
Have you seen any building from La Misión Vivienda? Poor people who had to live in dangerous places are now having a proper life. He did wrong in so many things, but he also did well in some other things. I respect the man.
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Mision Vivienda was great last year... up until he won the election. I think it has slowed down in a significative way since then, I might be wrong but I used to hear new homes were being handed daily, now where are the new houses?  Was it just another policy to gain votes? Seems like it, I do hope I'm wrong.
Also he has given so many things to the poor that it's almost as if they don't want to achieve anything for themselves anymore and only expect another "mision" to be announced that will solve their problems. He eased their hunger (although there is still 2-3 million people that starve) and sufferings but I don't think he has given them the tools to become middle class. Might be too early to tell but I don't think they even have the mentality needed to get out of poverty EVER.
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Originally posted by alfonso12
"De hecho, desde que Chávez llegó al Gobierno en 1998 la tasa oficial de homicidios en Venezuela ha subido un 67 por ciento, debido principalmente a la violencia de las pandillas y el tráfico de drogas"
http://www.terra.com.ve/actualidad/a...act1443933.htm
I hope I can keep reading your posts in a future. |
Drug trafficking as a result of being next to Colombia  At you acting like Colombia isn't the world's coca field.
What about your other point about inflation? I hope I can keep reading your posts regarding that in the future
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Originally posted by Glam
I don't mind this. Hope this is a policy that continues. Although considering how much oil he gave to the Caribbean countries I hope that the production is at least doubled in the next 6 years cause we are in need of that money too
Mision Vivienda was great last year... up until he won the election. I think it has slowed down in a significative way since then, I might be wrong but I used to hear new homes were being handed daily, now where are the new houses? Was it just another policy to gain votes? Seems like it, I do hope I'm wrong.
Also he has given so many things to the poor that it's almost as if they don't want to achieve anything for themselves anymore and only expect another "mision" to be announced that will solve their problems. He eased their hunger (although there is still 2-3 million people that starve) and sufferings but I don't think he has given them the tools to become middle class. Might be too early to tell but I don't think they even have the mentality needed to get out of poverty EVER.
Drug trafficking as a result of being next to Colombia At you acting like Colombia isn't the world's coca field.
What about your other point about inflation? I hope I can keep reading your posts regarding that in the future |
I had a meeting last week with the Prime Secretary from the Indian Embassy and he said Venezuela was earning lots of money per year by trading oil with India. Our country actually covers 7% of their need from oil, the biggest, he said. We just need to get some control on that money and start taking out the dollar. Black Market has been shi***g on our economic for a while.
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Not everything is Chavez fault  He did some good things and some bad things, but we have is a cultural problem.
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they're just there to suck the blood out of everyone
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Things wont get better anytime soon.
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Originally posted by Glam
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I wonder what would have happened without the whole 2002 mess
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Originally posted by abrahamjmr
I had a meeting last week with the Prime Secretary from the Indian Embassy and he said Venezuela was earning lots of money per year by trading oil with India. Our country actually covers 7% of their need from oil, the biggest, he said. We just need to get some control on that money and start taking out the dollar. Black Market has been shi***g on our economic for a while.
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And how did that black market start by the way?
The exchange control is also damaging the economy. I understand he had his reasons to put it in place but that policy doesn't work in the long run. In a smaller scale, don't they give you 500 dollars if you're travelling to Panama? What are $500 worth if you're going with your whole family? It's way too strict in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Glam
And how did that black market start by the way?
The exchange control is also damaging the economy. I understand he had his reasons to put it in place but that policy doesn't work in the long run. In a smaller scale, don't they give you 500 dollars if you're travelling to Panama? What are $500 worth if you're going with your whole family? It's way too strict in my opinion. |
I find it strict too. I can't get enough money if I'm travelling out of the country. I hope our situation gets better and we can go back to our old dollars policy. The exchange control is needed, otherwise we wouldn't be able to get the dollars.
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Sad he's gone cause he had charisma and character but thank god he left the job, he was ruining the country. Now let's hope someone better comes 
RIP regardless (although his body won't be resting in actual peace cause they're stupid enough to embalm him).
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Member Since: 4/26/2012
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Originally posted by Chickenchiki
Venezuela after Chavez has one of the highest literacy rates in LA, he improved the education and health, today Venezuela has the highest minimum wage in latin america, he actually cared about the poor people, etc.
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PLEASE STOP!  your making a fool out of yourself ! He was a dictatorship who didn't give a **** about their citizens! Don't you see the ****ING POVERTY IN VENEZUELA?? DON'T YOU SEE HOW CRIME HAVE INCREASED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS HE GOVERNED THE COUNTRY??!! Stop being so Ignorant please!...
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Does anyone have a picture of his body in lying in state? I have a thing with wanting to see people laying dead. Don't judge me 
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No pictures yet. But his supporters are allowed to look at the open coffin briefly.
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Originally posted by Alberto
He's not hated by normal, common Venezuelans. He's hated by rich, multimillionaire and privileged Venezuelans that are against his equality views on class social issues. He isn't perfect, but he's handled that country very well in my opinion.
He died of "cancer" or a mysterious illness. They are saying that illness was used by USA government as lethal arm against him; they say they have the proof and he's not a special case: many other dictators have suffered the same fate for their grudges against USA's goals.
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********!! Handling a country Very well is having it in Good conditions and as far as I'm concerned VENEZUELA lacks lots of it!
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