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Fan Base: Archived: Kelly Clarkson (#1)
Member Since: 10/16/2011
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Originally posted by jpsketch
PLU is one of the rawess/clearest studio vocals from Kelly.
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Eugh some parts are horrible.
Go to the "Everybody loses it. Everybody wants to throw it all away sometimes" right after the bridge.
And then the "living on the BOOOTTTTOM"
How do y'all not hear the autotune?
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Member Since: 5/5/2011
Posts: 16,846
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Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction
Kevin, are literally the only one who thinks Kelly's songs are "too wordy." All of Taylor Swift's songs are wordier than CMB and what songs have all outpeaked CMB? That's right, Taylor's. Lot of Beyonce's songs are wordier than Kelly's songs and who's had consistent higher album sales? That's right, Beyonce.
You need to stop thinking wordy songs aren't catchy or is basic. Maybe you're just having trouble with Kelly's "wordiness" cuz English isn't your first language. But for the rest of us, we have no problems memorizing her wordy lyrics.
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Uhm no. I'm positive I'm not the only one. Read pulsemusic from time to time, a lot of the posters there feel the same way about Kelly her wordy lyrics than I do. Me not being a native speaker has NOTHING to do with this. My writing grammar might not be up to date but I speak and sing English just like any other native speaker. In most cases it's a lot easier to speak than to write in a language. That was very offensive to me, edge.
And are you seriously comparing Taylor Swift to Kelly right now? Taylor is on a whole other level than Kelly right now, She can sing about **** and the song will go #1. And Beyoncé? When was the last time she had a hit? I don't know either.
And I never said that wordy songs aren't catchy or basic, stop putting words into my mouth. I never said that. I don't know what your interpretation is of "too wordy" but for me it means all of the following
1. Too many words
2. Less or few repeated words
3. Not easy to memorize the lyrics, which makes it harder to sing a long.
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Originally posted by Mr. Know It All
I've always thought that Catch My Breath is a bit wordy. It's not so much about the word count of the song, per se, but that a number of lines in it are simply awkward. For example, "catching breath in a web of lies" isn't wordy because there are a ton of words (there aren't), but it is wordy in that it's clumsy to say and doesn't make a great deal of sense.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
I think by less wordy, Kevin means something that has simple lyrics everyone and anybody can sing along to.
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Exactly my point.
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Originally posted by Chivas
Utilize a dictionary and figure out the definition of the word "wordy" and then feel free to join in on this conversation.
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Why do you need to have the need to insult people in order to prove your point?
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Member Since: 8/30/2011
Posts: 6,407
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Originally posted by Taigan
Eugh some parts are horrible.
Go to the "Everybody loses it. Everybody wants to throw it all away sometimes" right after the bridge.
And then the "living on the BOOOTTTTOM"
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I honestly don't know what you're hearing. The use of voice-altering technology in Kelly's songs has dropped drastically since her early years. Do you remember the comment about how she can't listen to some of her old stuff because of the autotune? No studio song of hers sounds more like her live vocals than does PLU. There's a lot of vocal layering in the song, so maybe that's what you're hearing
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Member Since: 11/23/2011
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At you mistaking her voice minutely cracking/straining and her having to shout for being auto tuned though. 
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Member Since: 12/28/2011
Posts: 13,440
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Originally posted by Chivas
I don't get it. The three times Kelly says " bottom" in PLU sound to me like the most raw vocals of any song she's ever recorded  |
Filthy. I see where your head is at. 
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Member Since: 5/19/2012
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Member Since: 5/5/2011
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From pulsemusic,
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Originally posted by jessayli
]I guess I can see the complaint that Kelly can be wordy (it's sometimes hard to make out everything in the verses without reading the lyrics), and I get that her writing (like most top 40 acts) can read a little blunt at times ("Ready" is still one of my favorite examples of her writing skills precisely because it departs from straightforward lyrics and relies more on the great usage of metaphor), but I think there are some really nice sentiments to these lyrics. The lyrics of songs that Kelly writes tend to be better than those written for her, and CMB is no exception. I like how Kelly uses the first verse to talk about where she use to be, and the second verse to describe where she is now. I really enjoy the line "Turning my cheek for the sake of the show," which concisely hits upon her battle to stay true to herself in the pop industry. I'm also excited to see Kelly release a single without any "established" songwriters on it while also getting full label support, the first time that both have happened simultaneously.
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Originally posted by james
I don't even live in America and I already remember the lyrics to Get Up. I've listened to CMB multiple times and all I can remember is the catch my breath part, then it all becomes a blur. I'm not saying Get Up would be a fantastic single, but it certianly is more catchy and radio ready (especially if a few lyrics / production edits were made).
I also think Mr. Know It All has a much stronger hook and can't see CMB surpassing it's success Internationally, on CHR or HAC; which isn't speaking too highly of a single leading a greatest hits.
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Originally posted by loveplasticlove
When I first listened to it I didn't really get the too wordy comments. However, I do see how the lyrics just don't get in my head like other songs. Like, I have listened probably 10-20 times over the last day or so and could not tell you a single lyric right now that it isn't on. Like, I don't even really know what the song is about.
That isn't necessarily bad-not every song has to be super hook-filled and catchy. However, I have seen great songs suffer because they didn't have an easy lyrical hook that people could sing along to even when the song isn't playing.
It will be interesting to see how this performs.
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Originally posted by keyboard
My main issue when I first heard this song was that it sounded like Kelly was actually having a hard time catching her breath in the 1st chorus, similar to how I felt toward Never Again.
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Originally posted by Chris
Meh. Sounds like another song about how she hates her fame, but nowhere near as good as any of My December, I'm over it.
And even if the topic was different, the song itself is just boring, wordy & uneventful. Nothing about it; not the chorus, not the verses, not the bridge, evoke any excitement.
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Should we hand them a dictionary as well?
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Member Since: 12/28/2011
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Oh. And since everyone else was fixated on this subject today, let me just say my piece. I just listened to Flop Attack and 
If Kelly ever sang those hideous construction of words and beats I think I'd have a heart attack. 
Awful. Those teen gorls will buy anything.
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Member Since: 10/16/2011
Posts: 267
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Originally posted by KevinKDC
From pulsemusic,
Should we hand them a dictionary as well?
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Who?  Why are you quoting another forums' posts to prove your point? The wordiness isn't the reason why the song isn't catching on. Like Edge said, there are successful songs on radio right now that are far wordier. As a native English speaker, Catch My Breath is EASY to sing along to and doesn't fit the definition of "wordy" at all. Maybe it sounds wordy because there isn't clanky and noisy production that overpowers the lyrics and so you actually have to focus on the words instead?
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Member Since: 10/15/2011
Posts: 2,862
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Originally posted by Mr. Know It All
I'm American. English is my first language. 
I can't exactly explain it, but that line just sounds clunky and choppy to me; it doesn't roll off the tongue like most well-written lyrics. She could've used so many other words but instead settled for those—"catching breath in a web of lies".
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It rolls just fine, I have no problem saying it. 
Edge defending CMB to death.  I dont mind though. Its in my top 5 KC songs. 
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Member Since: 6/29/2012
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Member Since: 5/19/2012
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Originally posted by Fortify
Who? Why are you quoting another forums' posts to prove your point? The wordiness isn't the reason why the song isn't catching on. Like Edge said, there are successful songs on radio right now that are far wordier. As a native English speaker, Catch My Breath is EASY to sing along to and doesn't fit the definition of "wordy" at all. Maybe it sounds wordy because there isn't clanky and noisy production that overpowers the lyrics and so you actually have to focus on the words instead? |
IKR? I'm not even a native speaker of English, but it's really easy to sing along to CMB.
I think the word, 'wordy' can be applied to the bridge of IFY and Yeah, and the chorus of IFY, DWYT, and CIHAK.
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Member Since: 5/5/2011
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Originally posted by Fortify
Who? Why are you quoting another forums' posts to prove your point? The wordiness isn't the reason why the song isn't catching on. Like Edge said, there are successful songs on radio right now that are far wordier. As a native English speaker, Catch My Breath is EASY to sing along to and doesn't fit the definition of "wordy" at all. Maybe it sounds wordy because there isn't clanky and noisy production that overpowers the lyrics and so you actually have to focus on the words instead? |
In case you don't know, pulsemusic is/was one of the main bases of Kelly stans before Atrl even happened. Mzd, Dejavu and I originally were/are posters from pulse. ATRL didn't even use Kelly in 2011 when I started the album thread and when North & South, Mzd and I were the only ones posting in it. So sit down. Pulse is also the board where Dr.Luke use to post and a lot of executives and insiders used to/ still do wonder around. And I use post from another Kelly base to prove I am not the only one who feels this way.
And this has nothing do with being a native speaker or not. The majority of the lyrics Kelly wrote aren't memorable and not that easy to sing a long too compared to instant songs like My life would suck, Stronger, Dark Side ect.
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Member Since: 11/23/2011
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And Kevin, it wasn't my intention to offend but the fact that you're so worked up over it just shows how closed minded you came into this conversation.
And no. WANEGBT is Taylor's first #1. Not everything she sings hits #1. She is not Rihanna. But I'm saying, she's always been a story teller in her songs aka far wordier lyrics than Kelly. And your Bey argument? Your stale read of her not having a hit is tired. 4 had no top 10 hits, yeT 4 outsold Kelly's measly million album sales and more than tripled it WW, almost on par with TTT.
And again,
1. CMB has less words than Heart Attack and many of the other songs on the radio. I think Stay has more words than CMB.
2. The damn chorus is repeated 5 times in CMB.
3. Just cuz it's hard for you and random Pulse members to memorize doesn't mean everyone else agrees.
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Member Since: 10/15/2011
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Originally posted by KevinKDC
In case you don't know, pulsemusic is/was one of the main bases of Kelly stans before Atrl even happened. Mzd, Dejavu and I originally were/are posters from pulse. ATRL didn't even use Kelly in 2011 when I started the album thread and when North & South, Mzd and I were the only ones posting in it. So sit down. Pulse is also the board where Dr.Luke use to post and a lot of executives and insiders used to/ still do wonder around. And I use post from another Kelly base to prove I am not the only one who feels this way.
And this has nothing do with being a native speaker or not. The majority of the lyrics Kelly wrote aren't memorable and not that easy to sing a long too compared to instant songs like My life would suck, Stronger, Dark Side ect.
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Ok.
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Member Since: 5/5/2011
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Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction
And Kevin, it wasn't my intention to offend but the fact that you're so worked up over it just shows how closed minded you came into this conversation.
And no. WANEGBT is Taylor's first #1. Not everything she sings hits #1. She is not Rihanna. But I'm saying, she's always been a story teller in her songs aka far wordier lyrics than Kelly. And your Bey argument? Your stale read of her not having a hit is tired. 4 had no top 10 hits, yeT 4 outsold Kelly's measly million album sales and more than tripled it WW, almost on par with TTT.
And again,
1. CMB has less words than Heart Attack and many of the other songs on the radio. I think Stay has more words than CMB.
2. The damn chorus is repeated 5 times in CMB.
3. Just cuz it's hard for you and random Pulse members to memorize doesn't mean everyone else agrees. |
And that's why Heart Attack is #1 right now on Itunes. And I'm not asking ANYONE to agree or disagree with me. But if people are attacking me with their whole "You don't even speak English so what dafuq are you even talking about" attitude I will defend myself and others who aren't native speakers.
I don't know if it's some sort of Hobby of some of y'all to comment on EVERY little post of mine and start attacking me from left to right just because you don't agree. And don't talk about me being close minded since non of y'all have been objective on this topic. But it's no use discussing a simple random topic with people who can't prevent from going personal. So let's stop this here.
In other news, I can't believe they quoted Kelly on a mediabase ad for Miguel.
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Member Since: 8/17/2011
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Who gives a **** about what they gotta say at Pulse? The site is dying for a reason. Stop taking everything they say as fact Kevin.
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Member Since: 11/26/2011
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This base is pretty wordy right now 
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Member Since: 10/15/2011
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Kevin VS. 80% of Base. This never gets old.
Im really into YLM at the moment.
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Member Since: 11/23/2011
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Originally posted by vonno
This base is pretty wordy right now |
Stupid bitch.
this is the life that we choose, this is the life that we bleed.
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