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Celeb News: Monsters offered counselling at BTW ball(NA dates)
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I appreciate that she is trying to do a good thing, but people go to concerts to enjoy themselves, and counselling can be very traumatic. A very flawed idea. She is a pop singer, I don't know why she feels the need to try to be Mother Teresa.
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17 pages and I have yet to see anyone give an actually valid criticism of this. At worst, its a neutral thing because if you don't want it, you don't have to go. I fail to see how this hurts anyone.
"Implying that her fanbase has mental health issues" is not a valid criticism because there is nothing wrong with having a mental health issue. Every single artist has fans with physical and mental disabilities. I suffer from clinical depression. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I'm a punchline or a bad person to be associated with.so you can hate on Gaga.
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Originally posted by brndksk
I appreciate that she is trying to do a good thing, but people go to concerts to enjoy themselves, and counselling can be very traumatic. A very flawed idea. She is a pop singer, I don't know why she feels the need to try to be Mother Teresa.
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The vast majority of counseling is not traumatic. Its usually to deal with traumatic events, or just chemical imbalances in the brain that can cause depression, anxiety, OCD, bipolar disorder, etc. The vast majority of people will feel relief that someone who is educated on mental health will listen to them, care about them, and offer them resources to improve their life.
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Originally posted by B2R4D
Finally, there might be a cure!
Fantastic idea. Even judging by their behaviour on the internet, they certainly should seek help.
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stop trying to be funny. You'll need the cure too hun.
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Jameson clocking your pressed, delusional, ignorant asses, left right and center.
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I doubt Gaga thinks she'll cure anybody who enters the buses instantly. It's just a mere initiative for those who don't want to seek help because of that "STIGMA" that's being forced on this condition and that sadly many people in ATRL are enforcing.
We don't know the detailed processes of this, but I don't think a Harvard-established organization will take a counterproductive and ineffective approach on this project.
Stanning has really blinded common sense in here. Even bringing up Gaga's supposedly inadequate credentials as if she's doing this completely alone or tarnishes her intentions.
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Originally posted by VIRUS
If you're talking about the 2009 VMA performance, that was a representation of the "fall of the blonde icon". It's performance art, your argument is invalid.
She's committed murder in her VIDEOS, albeit in a very comical and satire sort of way. (Telephone, which was basically a huge tribute to Quentin Tarantino movies) Oh, and she had guns on her bra in Alejandro. Big deal. Weapons are in movies all the time. Your argument is again invalid."
She has said she smoked marijuana, but has never promoted it. And what "other drugs" has she promoted? She used to do cocaine, but has stated multiple times that it's awful, and to stay away from it.
All in all, you just sound pressed for no reason.
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Yes, because "It's performance art!" is a justifiable reason to do something so blatantly insensitive on stage.
Madonna's usage of guns in her show the day after the Theatre shooting was "performance art" too, right?
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This **** is still going on? Why the **** do you care so much about what Lady Gaga does BEFORE the concerts of her own tour? Did she offend you with the idea?
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Originally posted by Navy101
Good. They need it.
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Welp.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
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The vast majority of counseling is not traumatic. Its usually to deal with traumatic events, or just chemical imbalances in the brain that can cause depression, anxiety, OCD, bipolar disorder, etc. The vast majority of people will feel relief that someone who is educated on mental health will listen to them, care about them, and offer them resources to improve their life.
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I have to disagree with you here.
I did familial and personal counseling over a two year period between 14 and 15. While in the end, it turned out to be a beneficial thing, the first weeks, dare I say months, were really unsettling and uncomfortable.
Talking about problems, such as bullying and suicide, can be really really difficult, even if it's someone you "don't know." The problem with counseling is that it is surrounded by this stigma that "you're talking to someone you don't know", therefore "you can't possibly feel uncomfortable."
My first sessions didn't bring me relief at all, rather counteracting opinions and a nauseating feeling about what the next session would be like. Counseling is only for people who are willing to be open and talk about their problems, something which I was not. My parents ended up forking over thousands of dollars in time before I began to say what I truly felt, and, even then, it took me a really long time to get the point and healing across.
tl;dr therapy isn't the right thing for everyone. What Gaga and Harvard are doing is providing temporary relief for a permanent problem, something that, in tandem, is a waste of everyones time. If these kids really have problems, they should be visiting their local doctor and seeing what kind of anti-depressants are available, and if its the right thing for that specific person, visiting a psychologist.
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Originally posted by gettsleazy
I have to disagree with you here.
I did familial and personal counseling over a two year period between 14 and 15. While in the end, it turned out to be a beneficial thing, the first weeks, dare I say months, were really unsettling and uncomfortable.
Talking about problems, such as bullying and suicide, can be really really difficult, even if it's someone you "don't know." The problem with counseling is that it is surrounded by this stigma that "you're talking to someone you don't know", therefore "you can't possibly feel uncomfortable."
My first sessions didn't bring me relief at all, rather counteracting opinions and a nauseating feeling about what the next session would be like. Counseling is only for people who are willing to be open and talk about their problems, something which I was not. My parents ended up forking over thousands of dollars in time before I began to say what I truly felt, and, even then, it took me a really long time to get the point and healing across.
tl;dr therapy isn't the right thing for everyone. What Gaga and Harvard are doing is providing temporary relief for a permanent problem, something that, in tandem, is a waste of everyones time. If these kids really have problems, they should be visiting their local doctor and seeing what kind of anti-depressants are available, and if its the right thing for that specific person, visiting a psychologist.
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No they're not. The entire purpose of this is to refer those who choose to participate to the resources that you mention. There is an enormous stigma in our country around seeing someone about those resources, and this exists to help break the stigma and help kids get to the resources you are saying they need. They're not going to talk to them and then say "Sorry, you're **** outta luck now, its over!" I am failing to see how this hurts the kid or adult in question.
Furthermore, I didn't say anything about counseling not being uncomfortable. I said it wasn't traumatic, which unless a counselor abuses you, it is generally not. I definitely didn't say it wasn't uncomfortable because it was someone you didn't know. I said it was helpful because the person is educated about mental health issues and will actually take the kid/adult seriously, which is extremely important for kids who have been disowned by their parents, or those that are in households that believe the stigmas around mental illness.
It is a charity based out of Harvard, the best school in the world. The best psychiatrists and counselors in the world are behind this program. They, unlike us, know what they're doing.
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Originally posted by Navy101
Good. They need it.
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Lol but why did they report?
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Originally posted by gettsleazy
Yes, because "It's performance art!" is a justifiable reason to do something so blatantly insensitive on stage.
Madonna's usage of guns in her show the day after the Theatre shooting was "performance art" too, right?
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How was her VMA 2009 performance insensitive, much less "blatantly insensitive?" There wasn't any particular controversy about it. It was pretty highly acclaimed.
Madonna wasn't criticized for using guns in her show the day after the shooting, she was criticized for using them in a town extremely close to where the shooting occurred. If Gaga had done her performance right after someone in the public eye hung themselves, yes it probably would have been "blatantly insensitive." But otherwise it just looks like you're trying to find something to criticize.
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Reading the amount of ignorant and distasteful comments in this thread is the most disappointing thing I have experienced in a while
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I'll go. Just because i know GaGa herself will pop up at some of them,here for that.
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Sad to see people continuing to perpetuate the ignorance regarding mental health, even after being clocked by several people in here.
Frankly, it's disturbing and suggests a personality disorder of some kind.
Unless y'all are saying this **** only online because "it's just the Internet."
People can laugh all they want; Gaga was correct when she said that we need to breed compassion.
Don't be a d***.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
How was her VMA 2009 performance insensitive, much less "blatantly insensitive?" There wasn't any particular controversy about it. It was pretty highly acclaimed.
Madonna wasn't criticized for using guns in her show the day after the shooting, she was criticized for using them in a town extremely close to where the shooting occurred. If Gaga had done her performance right after someone in the public eye hung themselves, yes it probably would have been "blatantly insensitive." But otherwise it just looks like you're trying to find something to criticize.
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It's insensitive towards people who have dealt with suicide and victims of suicide, just like how No Doubt's "Lookin' Hot" video was insensitive to Native Americans.
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Getsleazy is a closet stan
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Jokes aside, this is a very good project. Yes, it might be flawed but the overall purpose and impact of this project is positive. Mental health issues are not something to joke about. How many people already died because they were not given any form of help to become mentally and emotionally stable?
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