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Discussion: Is committing suicide selfish?
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If your a lonely person with no family or friends then no (but who am i kidding we all have someone in our lives)
I mean i get depressed and don't feel like living but imaging if I did, My mum & Barry would never be the same again, i mean I couldn't think to hurt them two.
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Originally posted by TheDjole
I personally think it is. This might be a bit long but I've discussed this topic so many times with my family and friends, so I've heard many opinions about it.
Why is it selfish? Well, if you're a mother/father, by taking away your life means taking away one big part of life to your kids. Whoever has lost a parent knows how this feels, and especially if they don't die naturally but they do it themselves, and then kids live their whole life thinking: "I could've done something to help him/her."
And when people commit suicides because of lack of money... I'll never, ever get it. You're not the first person in the world to stay without money. People were in way worse situations and still kept themselves alive and their better days have come later. I hear many stories of women suicidal because their husband beats them. And they have a child. She kills herself and leaves her child alone with him. How brave is that? Just run away and ask for help. Call the police, your cousins, a friend, there MUST be someone out there.
Talking about kids' suicidal... well, mostly it's because of bullying. Kids can't stand being bullied and un-accepted so they think the only way out is suicide. I can tell you something, I've been through all that bullying hell both in my primary and high school, it lasted something less than a year but it was a total hell. I'd just listen to what people would be saying about me from behind and my eyes were full of tears and I was praying to God they stop. And being this shy and confidence-less as I am, I never had the courage to confront any of them. I did have friends who were with me but they took everything them guys said to me as a joke. I haven't. I've received laughter in the face, they'd laugh at everything I say, they'd tickle me and follow me all the way from school just to make fun of me. But guess what? I never thought about IT. Why? Because I have a beautiful and amazing family at home that means the world to me and who were always there for me but I kept this away from them. I escaped to my world, writing music, lyrics about how I feel and that helped me. I finally confronted everything and my life'd changed sooo much and now I'm quite friends with those guys who were sooo immature back at that time. I see kids can't stand that, even though some were in a tougher position, so they take away their life. By doing that they don't realize they're leaving their parents heartbroken forever, who will keep thinking the same... I could've done something to save him/her.
My point is: there is no reason to suicide. Even though it's hard to see and you think so, but there is always someone around you who will help you get through all those bad stuff. There is always a way out... Don't do it. Don't let others win. Show your teeth. Fight. Only fighters can win.
End of my "short" story...
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Beautiful.
And if most people who commit suicide are not thinking rationally, how do people leave such coherent, thought-provoking suicide notes? 
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Originally posted by stevensaurusrex
Beautiful.
And if most people who commit suicide are not thinking rationally, how do people leave such coherent, thought-provoking suicide notes? |
That question doesn't make sense. Rationality and coherency/fluency are not the same thing. Hunter S. Thompson's entire career is coherent, thought-provoking writing of irrational thinking.
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How is it selfish? If that person was feeling that way, then they probably were not getting the love and attention from their loved ones. Or their loved ones were not even trying to support them during the hard times. Tbh, if he killed themselves, it's because of the lack of attention in general. If people say they didn't know that he/she was depressed, then they probably were not giving that person enough attention in the first place so they shouldn't even be mourning the loss 
not saying that people should commit suicide though, there is always a way to fight through.. Finding the right friends, talking about it, and seeking help is the best way to go at it. Suicide is not the answer
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Yes, it is.
Sure you'll die some day, sure your life is on YOUR disposal. But that does not give you the right to make everybody around you wonder why you did it... it's such a selfish, 'i hate my stupid life' moment when you don't think about your family, friends, people who will be affected by your act even in the minor.
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Originally posted by Yourfavefan
How is it selfish? If that person was feeling that way, then they probably were not getting the love and attention from their loved ones. Or their loved ones were not even trying to support them during the hard timesTbh, if he killed themselves, it's because of the lack of attention in general. If people say they didn't know that he/she was depressed, then they probably were not giving that person enough attention in the first place so they shouldn't even be mourning the loss
not saying that people should commit suicide though, there is always a way to fight through.. Finding the right friends, talking about it, and seeking help is the best way to go at it. Suicide is not the answer |
This is really, really ignorant. 
I've been through very tough depression, and it is easy to put on a face and pretend something isn't bothering you. In fact, a lot of people who are depressed feel like its the right thing to do, to not "bring down" their friends.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
This is really, really ignorant.
I've been through very tough depression, and it is easy to put on a face and pretend something isn't bothering you. In fact, a lot of people who are depressed feel like its the right thing to do, to not "bring down" their friends. |
yes, but since I also went through a rough depression, people actually noticed and approached me and talked to me. Sure I didn't want to talk about it, but they do press on it which made me feel loved at least. It's just how I felt
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
That question doesn't make sense. Rationality and coherency/fluency are not the same thing. Hunter S. Thompson's entire career is coherent, thought-provoking writing of irrational thinking.
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Why do you INSIST on quoting people with crap you CLEARLY just Googled? JESUS. CHRIST.
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Originally posted by N@te
Yes, it is.
Sure you'll die some day, sure your life is on YOUR disposal. But that does not give you the right to make everybody around you wonder why you did it... it's such a selfish, 'i hate my stupid life' moment when you don't think about your family, friends, people who will be affected by your act even in the minor.
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That's also selfish to just choose to live for your family and friends. I think it really depends on the situation. For example with myself, I live alone and I'm not close to my family. I don't have much use in friends or other people. I don't have kids and no one is depending me to write their paycheck or take care of anyone. In this case it really effects no one outside of myself. Maybe someone with small children who decides to kill themselves, yes I can understand why someone would view that as selfish even though I don't agree.
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I do feel with a kid though, more thinking needs to be done. You can't just leave a kid hanging. I wouldn't understand if the person thinks their kid doesn't love them 
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Originally posted by stevensaurusrex
Why do you INSIST on quoting people with crap you CLEARLY just Googled? JESUS. CHRIST. |
Dude has a point tbh
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Originally posted by CloseMyEyes
That's also selfish to just choose to live for your family and friends. I think it really depends on the situation. For example with myself, I live alone and I'm not close to my family. I don't have much use in friends or other people. I don't have kids and no one is depending me to write their paycheck or take care of anyone. In this case it really effects no one outside of myself. Maybe someone with small children who decides to kill themselves, yes I can understand why someone would view that as selfish even though I don't agree.
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Someone gave you the life for a sole purpose to live it. Sometimes your problems aren't the biggest in the history of the world, sometimes you don't have to live with your parents or have a child and because of that not to think of other alternatives in life. You are setting a bad example, a suicide is not something someone would want to hear. Seriously, it's the most selfish act that exists.
I would only justify it just in cases of slow deaths with suffering a huge pain.
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Originally posted by stevensaurusrex
Why do you INSIST on quoting people with crap you CLEARLY just Googled? JESUS. CHRIST. |
I didn't google anything. Those were my thoughts based on what you wrote. You can be coherent and irrational at the same time.
In fact, except to grab a quote, receipt, or a GIF, I can't think of any time I've "googled crap" for a post.
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Yes.
Because by killing yourself do you know how many damage and hurt you are causing to the ones that I cared about you?
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Originally posted by N@te
Someone gave you the life for a sole purpose to live it. Sometimes your problems aren't the biggest in the history of the world, sometimes you don't have to live with your parents or have a child and because of that not to think of other alternatives in life. You are setting a bad example, a suicide is not something someone would want to hear. Seriously, it's the most selfish act that exists.
I would only justify it just in cases of slow deaths with suffering a huge pain.
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And I didn't ask to be born though and you have the option to live or take your life. Alternative like what? Anyways I was just trying to say suicide being selfish depends on the situation and its not black and white. I don't really understand how someone with no family or friends and no one to provide for is making a selfish decision in killing themselves but whatever I guess. It's perfectly acceptable imo but it depends on the situation.
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Originally posted by LilMonsterKills
i do think its selfish to take your own life when theres people out there who dont have a chance to live their life and yeah the people you leave behind dont you think about how they are gonna feel and what makes it so sad that its so stupid at some teenagers committing suicide cos their GFs and BFs left them or they are getting bullied etc etc tbh everyone goes through these things so whats makes their case so much worse.
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
No, anyone who thinks so is ridiculous.
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I dont understand how anyone can actually be calling this selfish. At all. So someone is supposed to keep on living and feel like theyre worthless becuz other people would miss them? Ugh. Thats the most selfish thing right there.
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Originally posted by N@te
Someone gave you the life for a sole purpose to live it. Sometimes your problems aren't the biggest in the history of the world, sometimes you don't have to live with your parents or have a child and because of that not to think of other alternatives in life. You are setting a bad example, a suicide is not something someone would want to hear. Seriously, it's the most selfish act that exists.
I would only justify it just in cases of slow deaths with suffering a huge pain.
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Green bold: Youre adding religion/jesus into this I think? Steer clear. Not all people believe in that. So its irrelevant.
Red bold: Duh. But for your information, that doesnt make it hurt any less.
Purple bold:  Lmao. I didnt realize people should just "suck it up". Going through life as a miserable husk of a person is obviously the setting the best example.
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Originally posted by TerraLogan
+100,000,000
I dont understand how anyone can actually be calling this selfish. At all. So someone is supposed to keep on living and feel like theyre worthless becuz other people would miss them? Ugh. Thats the most selfish thing right there.
Green bold: Youre adding religion/jesus into this I think? Steer clear. Not all people believe in that. So its irrelevant.
Red bold: Duh. But for your information, that doesnt make it hurt any less.
Purple bold: Lmao. I didnt realize people should just "suck it up". Going through life as a miserable husk of a person is obviously the setting the best example. |
You don't solve your problems though by committing suicide do you? Yes you can say its selfish for someone to not want someone to commit suicide, but how is the person committing suicide not selfish. They are suffering so they choose to end their life and just to begin a new suffering in MANY OTHERS.
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No.
It's sad that we can dismiss people who kill themselves as selfish, as opposed to discussing what we can do to prevent them from desiring death over life in the first place.
And yeah, you do leave people behind very sad and hurt, but are you saying that because other people might be sad if someone committed suicide, the person should just suck it up or get help? Because it's really not that easy to "suck it up" when your life makes you want to not exist, and for most people suicide is a last resort to either bring proper attention and resolvation to their situation or escape the situation if nobody is willing to help them correct it. It's usually not caused by problems you can just "deal with", and some people can handle more or less than others.
Once again, instead of debating on whether it's selfish, as that could go in circles forever, we should instead focus on preventing suicide or thoughts of it in the first place.
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Anytime you're doing something to solely satisfy yourself without thinking of how it may affect other's, it is selfish. There's really no way of getting around that.
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