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Poll: Bigger Impact: Mariah Carey vs. Whitney Houston
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View Poll Results: Mim vs. Nippy
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Mariah Carey
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Whitney Houston
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Originally posted by Chunk
Don't get me wrong. I don't wanna downgrade Whitney Houston for what she really is. She's just as much of a Legend as Mariah is, but imho opinion and when we're just comparing facts, Mariah's got a little edge over her. The only aspect where Whitney was doing better was in the movie business, but since Precious, even that has changed.
It's not an excuse, it's simple logic. If people like Michael and Whitney were truly living Legends during their lifetime, people will moarn and remember them for decades to come. If the hype around Whitney's death really has died down as you said, she wouldn't be much of a Legend. It took YEARS for people to get over Aaliyah's death and she didn't have by no means the impact and success that artists like Whitney or Michael had.
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And Whitney Houston, who revitalized the power ballad, fused together gospel vocalism with a pop sheen and inspired every popular vocalist after her (and the record companies to cause some of those before her to sing and make music like her), who found a worldwide market for the black pop female vocalist, is behind Mariah?
Unfortunately for your point, Whitney Houston had been recognized for her immense influence way before her death, since the late 80s and 90s. So please.....
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Mariah
Howevere, these 2 ladies are by farrrrrr the 2 most imPacted
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I'm a lamb but I think it's Whitney.
Mariah's impact is not to belittled though.
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Originally posted by Kworb
Music wise it's obviously Mariah. But Whitney's troubles in life, along with her early death, have made more of an impact on pop culture itself.
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I agree with this, although Mariah's abusive relationship with Sony head Tommy Mottola and her mental breakdown in the early 00's were definitely juicy, impactful personal tragedies in her life too.
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Originally posted by Ressti
I mean the pop side of the music industry obviously, I said almost. Because hip hop collaborations (not features) became such an important part in pop and R&B music that all the new girls were practically pushed into featuring a rapper or remixing their song with a hip hop beat.
Destiny's Chidl/Beyonce, Christina Aguilera, Rihanna, Britney Spears, NSYNC/Justin Timberlake, Usher, Aaliyah, Missy Elliott, etc.
Even Janet (Got til it's Gone) started making music that was part pop, part hip hop after 1995. It's probably the reason New Jack Swing just completely disappeared, we had a sound that could replace it. It became a formula.
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You have to be joking. R&B artists were already collaborating with rappers long before Mariah started doing it. 
Mariah took an R&B trend and opened the door for White non-R&B acts to collaborate with rappers. 
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Originally posted by Ressti
Before MJ, black artists did not get a lot of spins on rock radios, if at all. Look up AOR radio.
I should have said he was the first black super star, but that's also because it was the 80's. Relations between countries and the world economy were different. It was because of a myriad of reasons, but mostly, it was his influence.
But, I will say, Whitney was an African American woman, so it was different. I'll give her that. She probably had a lot to do with the change, because she came out right after Thriller.
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Jimi Hendrix got great airplay on AOR radio (due to the fact that his music was undeniably rock). So did Chuck Berry and Little Richard.
Now if you said MJ was the first non-rock oriented black artist to get heavy airplay on AOR radio, I'd have agreed with you.
I agree. MJ was the first black music superstar.
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Originally posted by Chimier
And Whitney Houston, who revitalized the power ballad, fused together gospel vocalism with a pop sheen and inspired every popular vocalist after her (and the record companies to cause some of those before her to sing and make music like her), who found a worldwide market for the black pop female vocalist, is behind Mariah?
Unfortunately for your point, Whitney Houston had been recognized for her immense influence way before her death, since the late 80s and 90s. So please.....
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Mariah is black too you know?  I know I know, I tend to forget that tiny little fact much too often too and I'm a lamb. So, whatever remark you're trying to make her, it's just as much valid for Mariah as it is for Whitney, because after all, Mariah simply sold more. Her music topped the chart more frequently, more people bought her music and watched her videos than Whitney. And on the vocal side: Don't forget that Mariah is the one with a whistle register, the one who re-popularized the usage of Melisma, if not single-handedly. Her work as a vocalist has been praised by professionals all over the world, today's up & coming artists are calling her the main influence to their careers and countless of performances from her songs like Hero are shown in nearly all of the currently and past existing casting formats every season.
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In pop culture, yes, Whitney Houston made more impact. But I don't like to think about that because it's mostly negative and she was more than her drug addiction.
Music wise, they're equal. Whitney's pop ballads did change the standard. Though I still think musically Mariah influenced people a little more. She mixed genres effectively and popularized them for 2 different generations. That's pretty impressive IMO.
Vocally, I guess it would have to be Whitney. For the simple reason that she was the first and influenced even Mariah. It was a different kind of voice.
I think they have about the same sales. Even though The Bodyguard is one of the biggest selling albums of all time, Mariah still sold a little more because released albums back to back in her prime.
This is why I really think they're equal.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
You have to be joking. R&B artists were already collaborating with rappers long before Mariah started doing it.
Mariah took an R&B trend and opened the door for White non-R&B acts to collaborate with rappers. |
I wasn't talking about simply featuring a rapper, I was talking about incorporating Hip Hop music with Pop music.
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Originally posted by Chimier
Jimi Hendrix got great airplay on AOR radio (due to the fact that his music was undeniably rock). So did Chuck Berry and Little Richard.
Now if you said MJ was the first non-rock oriented black artist to get heavy airplay on AOR radio, I'd have agreed with you.
I agree. MJ was the first black music superstar.
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That's true about Jimi and Chuck. I forget. But in the 80's, even black rock artists had a hard time getting played.
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To loosely quote Mariah,
"I think, every girl who aspires to sing, looks up to Whitney Houston. And that's something nobody can deny."
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Would young girls today think that though?
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Whitney by a lot. MAriah fans Being dELusional as always.
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Originally posted by Pop pop123
Mariah will always be the real "The Voice".
Overrated Whitney can sit.
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But Mariah and by Miles . She writes produces mixes everything she didnt just get songs handed to her and was told to sing
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Originally posted by Ressti
I wasn't talking about simply featuring a rapper, I was talking about incorporating Hip Hop music with Pop music.
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MJ did that with "Jam", a popular song of the early 1990s.
Essentially the 80s was the start of music in general beginning to incorporate Hip-Hop. Chaka Khan, Aerosmith, Blondie, Teena Marie, Whitney, Janet, and a slew of others all started doing it during this decade. Hell, I could even go as far back as the early 70s with James Brown's "The Payback", as that is recognized by older generations as the first rap.
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Originally posted by Chunk
Mariah is black too you know? I know I know, I tend to forget that tiny little fact much too often too and I'm a lamb. So, whatever remark you're trying to make her, it's just as much valid for Mariah as it is for Whitney, because after all, Mariah simply sold more. Her music topped the chart more frequently, more people bought her music and watched her videos than Whitney. And on the vocal side: Don't forget that Mariah is the one with a whistle register, the one who re-popularized the usage of Melisma, if not single-handedly. Her work as a vocalist has been praised by professionals all over the world, today's up & coming artists are calling her the main influence to their careers and countless of performances from her songs like Hero are shown in nearly all of the currently and past existing casting formats every season.
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What kinda nonsense....
I pointed out the fact that Whitney was a black female BECAUSE she came before Mariah and broke down barriers in music that Mariah did not. This was not a "who's more black" post.
And Mariah sold records because she released a LOT more albums.
LOL so Mariah having a whistle register contributes to her having more impact than Whitney? What kinda logic....
By the time Mariah had come out, Whitney Houston was noted for popularizing vocal acrobatics, melisma and all sorts of embellishments. Why do you think that when Mariah came out, her vocal style and acrobatics were said to be reminiscent of WHITNEY?
Y'all have taken what journalists have said and accepted them as truth, without going back to verify the claims.
And Whitney Houston has had a SLEW of artists since the 90s cite her as their main influence. And she is quite possibly the most covered female vocalists on these talent shows.
And she's been consistently praised as the premiere female vocalist of the past three decades and of her generation. So what's your point again.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
To loosely quote Mariah,
"I think, every girl who aspires to sing, looks up to Whitney Houston. And that's something nobody can deny."
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Mariah also said "None of us would sound the same if Aretha Franklin hadn't put out a record, or Whitney Houston hadn't".
Oh, and Mariah said back in 2002, "Whitney Houston is obviously someone that I listen to and who influenced me and is a great singer".
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Originally posted by atrlster
Would young girls today think that though?
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Young girls come on talent shows singing I Have Nothing and I Will Always Love You to show off their vocal chops. I think they would.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
MJ did that with "Jam", a popular song of the early 1990s.
Essentially the 80s was the start of music in general beginning to incorporate Hip-Hop. Chaka Khan, Aerosmith, Blondie, Teena Marie, Whitney, Janet, and a slew of others all started doing it during this decade. Hell, I could even go as far back as the early 70s with James Brown's "The Payback", as that is recognized by older generations as the first rap.
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Jam is really a funk song.
We mentioned a few of those already a few pages ago. It still doesn't change the fact that Mariah was the one to popularize it for "mainstream" audiences. Which is the main point.
You could go back even farther than James though. Rap has existed for a long time.
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Originally posted by KyKy
But Mariah and by Miles . She writes produces mixes everything she didnt just get songs handed to her and was told to sing
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That has nothing to do with impact. All you've explained is why you prefer Mariah.
And Whitney didn't record anything she didn't want to record.
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Sometimes it did when critics would say Clive told me what to do and how to do it, because that's all ********. I don't like it when they see me as this little person who doesn't know what to do with herself--like I have no idea what I want, like I'm just a puppet and Clive's got the strings. That's ********. That's demeaning to me, because that ain't how it is, and it never was. And never will be. I wouldn't be with anybody who didn't respect my opinion. Nobody makes me do anything I don't want to do. You can't make me sing something I don't want to sing. That's not what makes me and Clive click, because if it was, I'd have left Arista a long time ago. Clive and I work well together. We basically like the same things, which thank God, allowed us to get along all these years. We get on each other's nerves sometimes, but we've been together ten years now. anybody can get on anybody's nerves over that long a time.- Whitney Houston
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