[Digital_Fossil]

How did it play on stereotypes, aside from the clothing? I didn't catch it.

[HausOfGerard]

But Lana Del Rey dressed up like this in the 'Ride' video

[charmed23]

Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla

The video was basically one giant stereotype of Native Americans. I don't find it particularly offensive, but I could tell about 15 seconds in that people were going to be bothered by it, and they have perfectly valid reasons to.

An American band making a music video pretending to be a stereotyped version of a culture that suffered a huge genocide at the hands of white Americans just isn't a particularly good idea.

this.

[Digital_Fossil]

I still fail to see the blatant stereotyping. I mean, from their actions in the video? It wasn't no Tim McGraw Cherokee Outlaw bullsh*t.

[rbautz]

Originally posted by charmed23

this.

Then let's bann all the stereotyped western films.

[charmed23]

Originally posted by Digital_Fossil

How did it play on stereotypes, aside from the clothing? I didn't catch it.

nah it wasn't just that. I didn't see the entire vid, but the first like minute Gwen the Native was being tied up and threatened wth guns. I'm pretty sure other band members (who also dressed up as Natives) were locked up in a cell.

so the fact that the vid played on the violent conflicts between Natives and White Americans (chasing with guns & stuffs) was pretty much what caused the controversy. Considering the genocide back then, I think it's best to take down the vid.

Lana Del Rey merely wore the warbonnets. really no meaning behind it... unless some ppl get bored and start dissecting it as "Natives drive me f****** crazy"

[rbautz]

Originally posted by charmed23

nah it wasn't just that. I didn't see the entire vid, but the first like minute Gwen the Native was being tied up and threatened wth guns. I'm pretty sure other band members (who also dressed up as Natives) were locked up in a cell.

so the fact that the vid played on the violent conflicts between Natives and White Americans (chasing with guns & stuffs) was pretty much what caused the controversy. Considering the genocide back then, I think it's best to take down the vid.

Lana Del Rey merely wore the warbonnets. really no meaning behind it... unless some ppl get bored and start dissecting it as "Natives drive me f****** crazy"

I see no much meaning in the video and it's not against natve americans..

[charmed23]

Originally posted by rbautz

Then let's bann all the stereotyped western films.

Contemporarily I don't think there's been any big-budgeted, to-be-taken-seriously movies that portray this topic the way Looking Hot vid does, as in a stereotypical silly tone if you will.
And honestly Im sure there are countless medium that poke fun on this topic and get away with it... because few know them. No Doubt on the other hand is a trusted mature quality major brand (pretty much what they said in the statement) so they have to be careful.

[charmed23]

Originally posted by Navin

Portraying what a culture does IS NOT insensitive though...
You didn't see any Chinese people complaining about the Princess of China video... I mean the whole "Native American Culture is sacred and should not be re-created" argument is tiresome at this point. Its 2012, get over it.

[since the sensitive US is pretty much from where all pop culture controversy occur, this nation will be the context of my argument]. cuz the Chinese communities weren't bother enough to cause an online outrage. Cultural conflicts of Chinese to the dominant American races are usually way more tame, even unnoticed, in comparison to that of Black, Hispanic and Natives to White Americans.
and trust me, my Chinese friends in LA were pissed when RiRi dressed up as a geisha (& tweeted about it proudly) in a music vid about Princess of China. But since American pop culture has its foundation built on cultural ignorance for the longest time, we just shake our heads and let it go.

For Looking Hot, again I think ppl are upset not because it was racist to the Native American culture but because it took the war lightly. I mean the race was nearly wiped out in many ways thanks to the war. I wouldnt blame them for getting angry at that.

[Randall]

Originally posted by Navin

Portraying what a culture does IS NOT insensitive though...
You didn't see any Chinese people complaining about the Princess of China video... I mean the whole "Native American Culture is sacred and should not be re-created" argument is tiresome at this point. Its 2012, get over it.

1) That's because they were too busy laughing at the West's ignorance of Chinese culture. A lot of Asian-Americans, however, were offended.
2) But it IS sacred. Do you not understand the spiritual significance of things like headdresses in Native American culture? You should probably tell them to get over the genocide of their people, too, because it happened hundreds of years ago huh.

Originally posted by Power

What about the hundreds of people who dress up as Native Americans for Halloween? No one says a damn thing about them. Anyways, it's pathetic that they found this video offensive because really it wasn't, at all.

But... many people do. Myself included. I could even link you to thousands of web posts and videos dealing with that issue.

The ignorance in this thread

[rbautz]

Originally posted by Randall

1) That's because they were too busy laughing at the West's ignorance of Chinese culture. A lot of Asian-Americans, however, were offended.
2) But it IS sacred. Do you not understand the spiritual significance of things like headdresses in Native American culture? You should probably tell them to get over the genocide of their people, too, because it happened hundreds of years ago huh.



But... many people do. Myself included. I could even link you to thousands of web posts and videos dealing with that issue.

The ignorance in this thread

Yes we should not allow Asians to wear our tux what were they thinking

[charmed23]

Originally posted by Power

What about the hundreds of people who dress up as Native Americans for Halloween? No one says a damn thing about them. Anyways, it's pathetic that they found this video offensive because really it wasn't, at all.

Some parts of California, before Halloween last year, had a huge campaign to educate ppl that it was not ok at all to dress up as Geisha, Native American, black etc.

[rbautz]

Originally posted by charmed23

Some parts of California, before Halloween last year, had a huge campaign to educate ppl that it was not ok at all to dress up as Geisha, Native American, black etc.

Yes the californian people should educate all the girls an boys about political correctness, praise the seperation, praise the lord.

[NickBassett1981]

Totally understand their rationale for pulling it but No Doubt have always been for diversity. Just see the lyrics to Different People. Sad really.

http://there-view.tumblr.com/post/34...video-no-doubt

[Shoutmon]

So sad that it got removed I actually loved it

[TheO™]

Originally posted by rbautz

I see the video is still out there. They announced they "REMOVED" it so more people will watch it now. Smast idea!
I love the clip, by the way.

[MadelineXPepito]

Originally posted by charmed23

Some parts of California, before Halloween last year, had a huge campaign to educate ppl that it was not ok at all to dress up as Geisha, Native American, black etc.

Yea but geishas are not a part of spiritual Japan. People don't get pissed if you do it properly, not half assed like in Memoirs of a Geisha or Princess of China (in this case even I was pissed for the god damn stereotyping).

I also see nothing wrong with dressing up as a black person. Black people can do the same and dress up as whites, I don't really mind

And the video and the song were crap anyway. This era sucks.

[Sammi]

Originally posted by MadelineXPepito

And the video and the song were crap anyway. This era sucks.

The video was great, let's not.

[Feather]

Originally posted by charmed23

[since the sensitive US is pretty much from where all pop culture controversy occur, this nation will be the context of my argument]. cuz the Chinese communities weren't bother enough to cause an online outrage. Cultural conflicts of Chinese to the dominant American races are usually way more tame, even unnoticed, in comparison to that of Black, Hispanic and Natives to White Americans.
and trust me, my Chinese friends in LA were pissed when RiRi dressed up as a geisha (& tweeted about it proudly) in a music vid about Princess of China. But since American pop culture has its foundation built on cultural ignorance for the longest time, we just shake our heads and let it go.

For Looking Hot, again I think ppl are upset not because it was racist to the Native American culture but because it took the war lightly. I mean the race was nearly wiped out in many ways thanks to the war. I wouldnt blame them for getting angry at that.

I'm Chinese and I LOVED the Princess of China video. Don't you dare come for that vid.

Anyway, that sucks she had to remove it. Now she has to reshoot a whole new video

[Feather]

Originally posted by MadelineXPepito

Yea but geishas are not a part of spiritual Japan. People don't get pissed if you do it properly, not half assed like in Memoirs of a Geisha or Princess of China (in this case even I was pissed for the god damn stereotyping).

I also see nothing wrong with dressing up as a black person. Black people can do the same and dress up as whites, I don't really mind

And the video and the song were crap anyway. This era sucks.

I agree that this whole era is terrible - from first single choice, album, but the video for Looking Hot was AMAZING. I just loved everything about it.