[Quiqui4eva]

Va Va Voom SLAYING

[Kworb]

Originally posted by isupportCBE

i don't get why people want PSY #1 on the hot 100.. it's such a crappy song, generic ass beat with the most annoying rap vocals in decades. I mean, it's funny and all, but even One More Night is better than that ish

It's not a discussion about the quality of the song, but that it's unfair that PSY has a huge lead in sales and streaming but can't be #1 because of radio's xenophobia. The past months have severely hurt the credibility of the Billboard Hot 100. I hope they've learned from this and will adjust the formula again. It might be too late for PSY, but at least it will help future popular songs that radio refuses to play for whatever reason.

[theo.]

Originally posted by Kworb

It's not a discussion about the quality of the song, but that it's unfair that PSY has a huge lead in sales and streaming but can't be #1 because of radio's xenophobia. The past months have severely hurt the credibility of the Billboard Hot 100. I hope they've learned from this and will adjust the formula again. It might be too late for PSY, but at least it will help future popular songs that radio refuses to play for whatever reason.

And the sad part is that they probably won't even bother to adjust their charts even slightly.

[Cap10Planet]

Originally posted by Kworb

It's not a discussion about the quality of the song, but that it's unfair that PSY has a huge lead in sales and streaming but can't be #1 because of radio's xenophobia. The past months have severely hurt the credibility of the Billboard Hot 100. I hope they've learned from this and will adjust the formula again. It might be too late for PSY, but at least it will help future popular songs that radio refuses to play for whatever reason.

The Hot 100 has never been some sort of measure of credibility, though. lol This is a chart that has gone through so many changes over the years to fix mistakes/flaws that chart heads complained about. PSY not getting #1 won't effect its credibility because it hasn't ever really been about credibility.

[isupportCBE]

Originally posted by Kworb

It's not a discussion about the quality of the song, but that it's unfair that PSY has a huge lead in sales and streaming but can't be #1 because of radio's xenophobia. The past months have severely hurt the credibility of the Billboard Hot 100. I hope they've learned from this and will adjust the formula again. It might be too late for PSY, but at least it will help future popular songs that radio refuses to play for whatever reason.

I fully agree on the radio part, it's a complete mess right now.

[Kworb]

Originally posted by Cap10Planet

The Hot 100 has never been some sort of measure of credibility, though. lol This is a chart that has gone through so many changes over the years to fix mistakes/flaws that chart heads complained about. PSY not getting #1 won't effect its credibility because it hasn't ever really been about credibility.

I disagree, they've done a good job over the years keeping up with the changes in the industry. When single sales were approaching zero they had no choice but to let airplay do the talking. But now digital sales are easily on par with the single sales of the past, and airplay should be brought down to a 20% share at most.

[ClashAndBurn]

It's like they're overplaying OMN intentionally so that Psy won't get number one.

I wonder how much payola A&M/Octone is pouring into it, honestly. Because this really seems fishy for them to increase their lead by 2 million every day.

[Dust2]

150,000 sales = 150 points
120 million AI = ?

right now, 120 million AI = 192 points from the educated guess of AI x 1.6 weight.

if AI is reduced to around 1.333 from 1.6, it would be better IMO.


150,000 sales = 150 points
120 million AI = 160 points (instead of 192).

Radio airplay will still have a BIG influence on the Hot 100 but not so overwhelmingly. The UK Singles Chart just count sales only so I don't see why Billboard can't reduce airplay influence from 1.6 to just 1.333.

[STMG23]

Originally posted by ClashAndBurn

It's like they're overplaying OMN intentionally so that Psy won't get number one.

I wonder how much payola A&M/Octone is pouring into it, honestly. Because this really seems fishy for them to increase their lead by 2 million every day.

Many people obviously like the song, get over it.

[Kisuke]

Originally posted by Kworb

The past months have severely hurt the credibility of the Billboard Hot 100. .

just the past months

[Deemy]

Originally posted by ClashAndBurn

It's like they're overplaying OMN intentionally so that Psy won't get number one.

I wonder how much payola A&M/Octone is pouring into it, honestly. Because this really seems fishy for them to increase their lead by 2 million every day.

One more night is better. I don't understand why people getting butt hurt over it.

[gallimel]

Originally posted by ClashAndBurn

It's like they're overplaying OMN intentionally so that Psy won't get number one.

I wonder how much payola A&M/Octone is pouring into it, honestly. Because this really seems fishy for them to increase their lead by 2 million every day.

Considering they are leaving Octone after this - they have released all album they were supposed to under them, and already more than once expressed the full intention to not renew the commitment with them)... I don't really think either them or Interscope are up to put any money on Maroon 5 (and they pretty much never actually did... )

Some teens I am in contact with will explain with this simple sentence why radio play Maroon 5 this much...

"Adam is Hot" > "We Like Him" > "We will follow pretty much anything he is involved with at some point".

Which translates in perfect ratio for advertising on radios.

Ask Ryan Murphy, who put him senselessly in AHS just to kill him immediately but milked him as much as possible to boost ratings in the most mattering demo.

Radio is business.

When it crosses enough tastes of pop marketers, it's a point of no return.

But pop must be commercial (not in the sense people have to buy the song... in the sense people have to stay tuned for commercial breaks on radio so that they will be targeted by advertisers), so personally I am not shocked the slightest about this all (even though I'd love radio in Usa to be more "permeable" by foreign languages, it simply won't happen, and it won't for a long time ahead).
And it's not as Psy is selling at the rate STIUTK or WAY (or even Payphone or CMM) were, so let's not make this some huge conjure. It's just wise American-stylized business.

All that said, I also find that radio weights now too much and I agree with Kworb on the fact now that the market is moving, it should be re-pondered how to weight the different types of commercial impact in.

I'd love Psy to get its deserved number one, and I really think he should have already.

But if it wouldn't have been blocked by OMN and another English spoken song would have battled it, the outcome wouldn't have changed. GS would have still be blocked by any other decent American hit.

You call it racism by radio, but it's a demo studied and weighted based on commercial returns.
We can argue about its value, but that value for the survival of commercial radios is just impossible to deny.

They won't throw it away for a Korean song.
(Maybe it's sad but it's) Guaranteed.

[Deemy]

Where's the urban updates for Diamond? Let me find out a bitch overall update today is 3M

[One Nation]

Originally posted by Deemy

One more night is better. I don't understand why people getting butt hurt over it.

This.

[isupportCBE]

Originally posted by Deemy

One more night is better. I don't understand why people getting butt hurt over it.

Basically what i said. I mean, radio is a mess but at the end of the day OMN is just the superior song, weak or not.

[ClashAndBurn]

Originally posted by STMG23

Many people obviously like the song, get over it.

I don't know anyone who likes this bland ass song. Normally I see references to song lyrics or, you know, something, when it comes to massive number ones like this. Even posting videos. And in that regard, it's all been related to Gangnam Style.

[umich]

Originally posted by Deemy

Where's the urban updates for Diamond? Let me find out a bitch overall update today is 3M

POP
13 = RIHANNA Diamonds 6563 +198 1025 +81 45.760 +1.842

HAC
31 = RIHANNA Diamonds 557 +14 109 +9 2.413 +0.043

RHY
8 = RIHANNA Diamonds 3279 +59 420 -34 21.232 +0.191

URB
23 = RIHANNA Diamonds 948 +48 464 -11 5.468 +0.120

[ClashAndBurn]

Originally posted by gallimel

Considering they are leaving Octone after this - they have released all album they were supposed to under them, and already more than once expressed the full intention to not renew the commitment with them)... I don't really think either them or Interscope are up to put any money on Maroon 5 (and they pretty much never actually did... )

Some teens I am in contact with will explain with this simple sentence why radio play Maroon 5 this much...

"Adam is Hot" > "We Like Him" > "We will follow pretty much anything he is involved with at some point".

Which translates in perfect ratio for advertising on radios.

Ask Ryan Murphy, who put him senselessly in AHS just to kill him immediately but milked him as much as possible to boost ratings in the most mattering demo.

Radio is business.

When it crosses enough tastes of pop marketers, it's a point of no return.

But pop must be commercial (not in the sense people have to buy the song... in the sense people have to stay tuned for commercial breaks on radio so that they will be targeted by advertisers), so personally I am not shocked the slightest about this all (even though I'd love radio in Usa to be more "permeable" by foreign languages, it simply won't happen, and it won't for a long time ahead).
And it's not as Psy is selling at the rate STIUTK or WAY (or even Payphone or CMM) were, so let's not make this some huge conjure. It's just wise American-stylized business.

All that said, I also find that radio weights now too much and I agree with Kworb on the fact now that the market is moving, it should be re-pondered how to weight the different types of commercial impact in.

I'd love Psy to get its deserved number one, and I really think he should have already.

But if it wouldn't have been blocked by OMN and another English spoken song would have battled it, the outcome wouldn't have changed. GS would have still be blocked by any other decent American hit.

You call it racism by radio, but it's a demo studied and weighted based on commercial returns.
We can argue about its value, but that value for the survival of commercial radios is just impossible to deny.

They won't throw it away for a Korean song.
(Maybe it's sad but it's) Guaranteed.

It's not anything against OMN or Maroon 5, because I do like them.
But this is ridiculous.
The corruption in the radio industry honestly hasn't been this apparent since WFL vs. SAIKI. In fact, this situation is much worse than that, because if Psy had the English SAIKI's airplay, he would have been number one already.

Where are they moving to, by the way?

[gallimel]

Originally posted by ClashAndBurn

I don't know anyone who likes this bland ass song. Normally I see references to song lyrics or, you know, something, when it comes to massive number ones like this. Even posting videos. And in that regard, it's all been related to Gangnam Style.

That doesn't exclude that many others love the song (I hope nobody believes their own small circle of people encompasses the whole spectrum of possible audiences...).

Radios simply wouldn't suicide themselves commercially overplaying OMN (especially after it has already reached a long run at the top) if the general public wouldn't be MORE than responsive still to it (and this thing get measured weekly on radios, through polls, and calls, and by measuring requests).

I suppose after Maroon 5 premiere Daylight the programmers will switch to it; but as it happened with Payphone, the switching won't be immediate and at first the new song will find small updates, gaining more only when audiences will tune in more to it and leave the other back.

This time around (unlike it happened with the previous era) radios are thirsty for M5 (for the reason stated above in my other post).
They will fulfill that request with anything they can.

And at the moment that anything is OMN.

[ClashAndBurn]

Originally posted by gallimel

(I hope nobody believes their own small circle of people encompasses the whole spectrum of possible audiences...).

Did I say that I did?