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Chart Listings: Taylor Swift STORMS onto Country Songs chart with 3 songs
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i think something like 70% airplay (country only) + 20% digital + 10% streaming is more reasonable
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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox
I don't see how this isn't fair. If a country song crosses over into other formats, that means it is more popular than a song that didn't. For example, Need You Now was the second most succesful song of 2010 because it crossed over to pop radio. It wasn't just successful among typical country fans, it was the second most popular song of the year.
A genre chart shouldn't appeal to a specific group of people, it should appeal to all people. With this new formula and these new charts, country songs that cross over to a wider audience (such as Taylor's songs, which are still somewhat country-influenced) can be recognized as more successful. 
So sure, country artists can still make music that appeal to only a specific group of people...but when one of their songs gains more recognition from a wider audience, it would chart better on the Country Songs chart. Also, people act like chart positions are all that important anyway. It's about longevity. 
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All of that is bad. Why? Because now songs that are actually country songs won't be able to get even close to the top. Need You Now was country enough to top the airplay chart by itself for a few weeks, BTW, so that is a poor example.
For example, let's say Kelly Clarkson releases a hit pop single and then a 'country' remix right as it nears the top of the Hot 100. Well, as soon as the remix charts on either airplay or sales components (no matter how low), it will top the country chart because of the massive pop airplay. Or, lets say Taylor Swift releases a pop song that flops on country radio but is a smash on pop radio... Well, it'll top the country chart due to pop sales and pop play. Does that make any sense to you? If a song isn't popular on country radio, it shouldn't be topping the country chart.
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Originally posted by Sept
i think something like 70% airplay (country only) + 20% digital + 10% streaming is more reasonable
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I'd be all for this, provided only sales or streams of the country mixes count. Incorporating digital sales is not a bad idea, nor is incorporating streaming - that is actually a good idea. However, non-country sales, radio play, or streams should in no way in hell be counted.
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Who else than the queen topping the country chart with a bubblegum-pop song 
She's getting that 8th #1 with her dubstep song 
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I'd be all for this, provided only sales or streams of the country mixes count. Incorporating digital sales is not a bad idea, nor is incorporating streaming - that is actually a good idea. However, non-country sales, radio play, or streams should in no way in hell be counted.
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but no way in hell can they count non-country sales and non-country streaming 
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Wow. This is really stupid to be honest.
This new rule benefits NO ONE except Taylor Swift in the country genre.
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Originally posted by TN05
All of that is bad. Why? Because now songs that are actually country songs won't be able to get even close to the top. Need You Now was country enough to top the airplay chart by itself for a few weeks, BTW, so that is a poor example.
For example, let's say Kelly Clarkson releases a hit pop single and then a 'country' remix right as it nears the top of the Hot 100. Well, as soon as the remix charts on either airplay or sales components (no matter how low), it will top the country chart because of the massive pop airplay. Or, lets say Taylor Swift releases a pop song that flops on country radio but is a smash on pop radio... Well, it'll top the country chart due to pop sales and pop play. Does that make any sense to you? If a song isn't popular on country radio, it shouldn't be topping the country chart.
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But Taylor Swift is mainly a country artist. I'm sure Billboard has genre professionals working for them...if she released a song that was pop enough to not be country at all, it probably won't chart ...? But because of the subtle country twang in her vocals ...
As for the Kelly Clarkson example, I really don't think an artist would do that.... 
We'll just have to wait and see...
I knew I should've just 
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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox
But Taylor Swift is mainly a country artist. I'm sure Billboard has genre professionals working for them...if she released a song that was pop enough to not be country at all, it probably won't chart ...? But because of the subtle country twang in her vocals ...
As for the Kelly Clarkson example, I really don't think an artist would do that....
We'll just have to wait and see...
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That's really funny because Scott Borchetta admitted that WANEGBT wasn't country.
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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox
As for the Kelly Clarkson example, I really don't think an artist would do that.... |
Um, Kelly Clarkson did it already this year... 
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That's really funny because Scott Borchetta admitted that WANEGBT wasn't country.
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It's not country...
It does have country pop influences, though. So it is "country"
There are elements of the song that make it "country", but it's not country "country". Does that make sense?
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Um, Kelly Clarkson did it already this year... |
Mr. Know It All, I know ... I'm sure she didn't do it to deliberately chart on the Country Songs chart though
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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox
It's not country...
It does have country pop influences, though. So it is "country"
There are elements of the song that make it "country", but it's not country "country". Does that make sense? |
so can i say Avril Lavigne's "What The Hell", Demi's "Give Your Heart A Break"... is a rock song and it should top rock chart?
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Originally posted by liveasong
Wow. This is really stupid to be honest.
This new rule benefits NO ONE except Taylor Swift in the country genre.
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I smell an undercover set-up by a certain music label 
Taylor's album will be the entire Top 10 on the Country chart by the album release week.
Not many Country artists are 'digital artists.' They strive on airplay. Unless you're Taylor, this new chart formula won't benefit you.
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Originally posted by Sept
so can i say Avril Lavigne's "What The Hell", Demi's "Give Your Heart A Break"... is a rock song and it should top rock chart?
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No, because pop rock is not primarily rock, its primarily pop. 
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Originally posted by liveasong
Wow. This is really stupid to be honest.
This new rule benefits NO ONE except Taylor Swift in the country genre.
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
I smell an undercover set-up by a certain music label
Taylor's album will be the entire Top 10 on the Country chart by the album release week.
Not many Country artists are 'digital artists.' They strive on airplay. Unless you're Taylor, this new chart formula won't benefit you.
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Exactly, if this new chart rule would benefit more than just one artist I think they'd be needed. As of now, unless your Taylor Swift your not going to be getting that #1 hit for a long long while. With this logic it'll mean that a random track on Red will be "more popular" then say Blown Away of Fastest Girl in Town because of the digital sales, when in reality Blown Away & Fastest Girl in Town will have AI, but because they're digital sales aren't as strong - they'll chart lower.
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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox
No, because pop rock is not primarily rock, its primarily pop. |
Still, if We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together can top the country charts, Give Your Heart a Break should be able to chart on rock, as GYHAB is just as country as WANEGBT is country. 
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
I smell an undercover set-up by a certain music label
Taylor's album will be the entire Top 10 on the Country chart by the album release week.
Not many Country artists are 'digital artists.' They strive on airplay. Unless you're Taylor, this new chart formula won't benefit you.
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Red release will be mess on Country chart. It will be more ridiculous than Rock songs chart right now where in Top 25 songs 12 are from M&S
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Originally posted by Mezik
Exactly, if this new chart rule would benefit more than just one artist I think they'd be needed. As of now, unless your Taylor Swift your not going to be getting that #1 hit for a long long while. With this logic it'll mean that a random track on Red will be "more popular" then say Blown Away of Fastest Girl in Town because of the digital sales, when in reality Blown Away & Fastest Girl in Town will have AI, but because they're digital sales aren't as strong - they'll chart lower. |
I think Billboard will change it by next month. A lot of people are disagreeing with it. They'll have to face the wrath of Country, R&B AND Rap fans.
They really destroyed a lot of artists' careers by doing this. Some of them were so close to #1 on their respective charts, but now artists who are powerful on iTunes will leap in front of them for weeks.
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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox
I don't see how this isn't fair. If a country song crosses over into other formats, that means it is more popular than a song that didn't. For example, Need You Now was the second most succesful song of 2010 because it crossed over to pop radio. It wasn't just successful among typical country fans, it was the second most popular song of the year.
A genre chart shouldn't appeal to a specific group of people, it should appeal to all people. With this new formula and these new charts, country songs that cross over to a wider audience (such as Taylor's songs, which are still somewhat country-influenced) can be recognized as more successful.
So sure, country artists can still make music that appeal to only a specific group of people...but when one of their songs gains more recognition from a wider audience, it would chart better on the Country Songs chart. Also, people act like chart positions are all that important anyway. It's about longevity.
That's just my opinion. |
you make a good point there!!  if a song crosses over to another genre naturally, then that AI can be included like the Lady A's songs .. but WANEGBT is actually pop and released to country! so that just furthers the issue that in future if say gaga releases a pop single on country radio and with a deal pushes it to top 20 .. then even if it plummets after that gaga will be #1 on HCS with pop songs!!
and these kind of snide tricks are bound to start one time or another ..
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