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Discussion: Is Taylor Swift a good songwriter?
Member Since: 4/21/2012
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Yes! I think she's also a very creative song-writer as well.
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Originally posted by Cassiopeia
Taylor fans are nice btw. No one has been attacking or being rude because I asked this question.
If this was some other stanbase (which i shall not name)
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Yes we are really loving, adorable and sweet 
The Swifties welcome you anytime. 
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Member Since: 8/3/2012
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Originally posted by Kavish
Yes we are really loving, adorable and sweet
The Swifties welcome you anytime.
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I'm talking about proper Taylor stans, not you my dear friend 
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Member Since: 9/6/2012
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Originally posted by Cassiopeia
I'm talking about proper Taylor stans, not you my dear friend |
Why do you do this to me.. 
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Member Since: 11/9/2011
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Can we talk about this song? Used to loathe this, thinking it's childish, etc.
Then (obv) I saw the light. 
 MeanYou, with your words like knives and swords and weapons that you use against me
You have knocked me off my feet again got me feeling like I'm nothing
You, with your voice like nails on a chalkboard, calling me out when I'm wounded
You, pickin' on the weaker man
Well, you can take me down with just one single blow
But you don't know what you don't know
Someday I'll be living in a big old city
And all you're ever gonna be is mean
Someday I'll be big enough so you can't hit me
And all you're ever gonna be is mean
Why you gotta be so mean?
You, with your switching sides and your walk-by lies and your humiliation
You, have pointed out my flaws again as if I don't already see them
I'll walk with my head down trying to block you out 'cause I'll never impress you
I just wanna feel okay again
I'll bet you got pushed around, somebody made you cold
But the cycle ends right now 'cause you can't lead me down that road
And you don't know what you don't know
Someday I'll be living in a big old city
And all you're ever gonna be is mean
Someday I'll be big enough so you can't hit me
And all you're ever gonna be is mean
Why you gotta be so mean?
And I can see you years from now in a bar, talking over a football game
With that same big loud opinion but nobody's listening
Washed up and ranting about the same old bitter things
Drunk and grumbling on about how I can't sing
But all you are is mean
All you are is mean and a liar and pathetic and alone in life
And mean, and mean, and mean, and mean
But someday I'll be living in a big old city
And all you're ever gonna be is mean, yeah
Someday, I'll be big enough so you can't hit me
And all you're ever gonna be is mean
Why you gotta be so mean?
Someday, I'll be, living in a big old city
(Why you gotta be so mean?)
And all you're ever gonna be is mean
(Why you gotta be so mean?)
Someday, I'll be big enough so you can't hit me
(Why you gotta be so mean?)
And all you're ever gonna be is mean
Why you gotta be so mean?
Notice the tenses she used. Talking about one exact moment in details while also perfectly described the bad guy's character and his past. Not just that, the chorus is NOT part of the current moment, it only happened in her imagination. She wrote it as if it's really gonna happen in the future. Good Lord. 
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Originally posted by MonsterMosama
I'm sure she isn't a bad songwriter, but "We are never ever ever ever getting back together" are not good lyrics. That song was way beneath her and she could have wrote something more interesting or less generic.
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She just wanted that nr1 song and to break more WW.  It was smart and worked out great judging by the success of her countdown singles.
Does not her other songs any less amazing..
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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Originally posted by Kavish
Mean, Never Grow Up, Fifteen, Long Live etc are not about boys.
Have you tried listening to her albums?
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A hater would never have heard masterpieces like The Best Day
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On another note, I think it's unfortunate that Taylor fans around this website have allowed members to bully them into "admitting" that WANEGBT was a sacrifice in songwriting ability for larger appeal. It was not. It was a display of songwriting ability, and I'm still sort of shocked that her fans can't appreciate it, given that they appreciate some of her other purposefully indulgent moments, like Better Than Revenge and Should've Said No. The song isn't a far cry from The Way I Loved You, but I feel like everyone would criticize such a comparison.
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Member Since: 8/27/2012
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Originally posted by Kavish
Yes we are really loving, adorable and sweet
The Swifties welcome you anytime.
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Originally posted by Cassiopeia
I'm talking about proper Taylor stans, not you my dear friend |
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Member Since: 6/17/2012
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Maybe her lyrics would be good if she was a 13 year old girl. But she's a grown woman.
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Member Since: 11/9/2011
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Originally posted by debutante
Maybe her lyrics would be good if she was a 13 year old girl. But she's a grown woman.
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Sparks Fly
The way you move is like a full-on rainstorm
And I'm a house of cards
You're the kind of reckless that should send me running
But I kinda know that I won't get far
And you stood there in front of me
Just close enough to touch
Close enough to hope you couldn't
See what I was thinking of
Drop everything now, meet me in the pouring rain
Kiss me on the sidewalk, take away the pain
'Cause I see sparks fly
Whenever you smile
Get me with those green eyes, baby
As the lights go down
Give me something that'll haunt me
When you're not around
'Cause I see sparks fly
Whenever you smile
My mind forgets to remind me
You're a bad idea
You touch me once and it's really something
You find I'm even better than you imagined I would be
I'm on my guard for the rest of the world
But with you, I know it's no good
And I could wait patiently
But I really wish you would
Drop everything now
Meet me in the pouring rain
Kiss me on the sidewalk
Take away the pain
Drop everything now, meet me in the pouring rain
Kiss me on the sidewalk, take away the pain
'Cause I see sparks fly
Whenever you smile
Get me with those green eyes, baby
As the lights go down
Give me something that'll haunt me
When you're not around
'Cause I see sparks fly
Whenever you smile
I'll run my fingers through your hair
And watch the lights go wild
Just keep on keeping your eyes on me
It's just wrong enough to make it feel right
And lead me up the staircase
Won't you whisper soft and slow
I'm captivated by you, baby
Like a fireworks show
Drop everything now, meet me in the pouring rain
Kiss me on the sidewalk, take away the pain
'Cause I see sparks fly
Whenever you smile
Get me with those green eyes, baby
As the lights go down
Give me something that'll haunt me
When you're not around
'Cause I see sparks fly
Whenever you smile
And the parks fly
Oh, baby, smile
And the sparks fly
Never Grow Up
Your little hands wrapped around my finger
And it's so quiet in the world tonight
Your little eyelids flutter 'cause you're dreaming
So I tuck you in, turn on your favorite night light
To you, everything's funny
You got nothing to regret
I'd give all I have, honey
If you could stay like that
Oh, darling, don't you ever grow up, don't you ever grow up
Just stay this little
Oh, darling, don't you ever grow up, don't you ever grow up
It could stay this simple
I won't let nobody hurt you
Won't let no one break your heart
No, no one will desert you
Just try to never grow up, never grow up
You're in the car on the way to the movies
And you're mortified your mom's dropping you off
At 14, there's just so much you can't do
And you can't wait to move out someday and call your own shots
But don't make her drop you off around the block
Remember that she's getting older, too
And don't lose the way that you dance around
In your PJs getting ready for school
Oh, darling, don't you ever grow up, don't you ever grow up
Just stay this little
Oh, darling, don't you ever grow up, don't you ever grow up
It could stay this simple
No one's ever burned you
Nothing's ever left you scarred
And even though you want to
Just try to never grow up
Take pictures in your mind of your childhood room
Memorize what it sounded like when your dad gets home
Remember the footsteps, remember the words said
And all your little brother's favorite songs
I just realized everything I have
Is someday gonna be gone
So here I am in my new apartment
In a big city, they just dropped me off
It's so much colder than I thought it would be
So I tuck myself in and turn my night light on
Wish I'd never grown up
I wish I'd never grown up
Oh, I don't wanna grow up, wish I'd never grown up
Could still be little
Oh, I don't wanna grow up, wish I'd never grown up
It could still be simple
Oh, darling, don't you ever grow up, don't you ever grow up
Just stay this little
Oh, darling, don't you ever grow up, don't you ever grow up
It could stay this simple
Won't let nobody hurt you
Won't let no one break your heart
And even through to you want to
Please try to never grow up
Don't you ever grow up
(Never grow up)
Just never grow up
Dear John
Long were the nights when my days once revolved around you
Counting my footsteps praying the floor won't fall through again
And my mother accused me of losing my mind
But I swore I was fine
You paint me a blue sky and go back and turn it to rain
And I lived in your chess game, but you changed the rules everyday
Wondering which version of you I might get on the phone tonight
Well, I stopped picking up and this song is to let you know why
Dear John, I see it all now that you're gone
Don't think I was too young to be messed with?
The girl in the dress cried the whole way home
I should've known
Well, maybe it's just me and my blind optimism to blame
Or maybe it's you and your sick need to give love then take it away
And you'll add my name to your long list of traitors who don't understand
And I'll look back and regret how I ignored when they said run as fast as you can
Dear John, I see it all now that you're gone
Don't you think I was too young to be messed with?
The girl in the dress cried the whole way home
Dear John, I see it all now it was wrong
Don't you think nineteen's too young to be played with?
Your dark twisted games when I loved you so
I should've known
You are an expert at sorry and keeping lines blurry
Never impressed by me acing your tests
All the girls that you've run dry have tired, lifeless eyes
'Cause you've burn them out
But I took your matches before fire could catch me
So don't look now
I'm shining like fireworks over
Your sad, empty town
Dear John, I see it all now that you're gone
Don't you think I was too young to be messed with?
The girl in the dress cried the whole way home
Dear John, I see it all now it was wrong
Don't you think nineteen's too young to be played with?
The girl in the dress wrote you a song
You should've known
You should've known
Don't you think I was too young?
You should've known
Our Song
I was riding shotgun with my hair undone
In the front seat of his car
He's got a one-hand feel on the steering wheel
The other on my heart
I look around, turn the radio down
He says, “Baby is something wrong?”
I say, “Nothing I was just thinking
How we don't have a song” and he says
Our song is the slamming screen door
Sneakin' out late, tapping on your window
When we're on the phone and you talk real slow
'Cause it's late and your mama don't know
Our song is the way you laugh
The first date man, I didn't kiss her and I should have
And when I got home, 'fore I said amen
Asking God if He could play it again
I was walking up the front porch steps
After everything that day
Had gone all wrong or been trampled on
And lost and thrown away
Got to the hallway, well, on my way
To my lovin' bed
I almost didn't notice all the roses
And the note that said
Our song is the slamming screen door
Sneakin' out late, tapping on your window
When we're on the phone and you talk real slow
'Cause it's late and your mama don't know
Our song is the way you laugh
The first date man, I didn't kiss her and I should have
And when I got home, 'fore I said amen
Asking God if He could play it again
I've heard every album, listened to the radio
Waited for something to come along
That was as good as our song
'Cause our song is the slamming screen door
Sneakin' out late, tapping on his window
When we're on the phone and he talks real slow
'Cause it's late and his mama don't know
Our song is the way he laughs
The first date man, I didn't kiss him and I should have
And when I got home, 'fore I said amen
Asking God if He could play it again
Play it again, oh, yeah, oh, oh, yeah
I was riding shotgun with my hair undone
In the front seat of his car
I grabbed a pen and an old napkin
And I wrote down our song
Cold As You
You have a way of coming easily to me
And when you take, you take the very best of me
So I start a fight 'cause I need to feel somethin'
And you do what you want 'cause I'm not what you wanted
Oh, what a shame
What a rainy ending given to a perfect day
Just walk away
No use defending words that you will never say
And now that I'm sittin' here thinkin' it through
I've never been anywhere cold as you
You put up walls and paint them all a shade of gray
And I stood there lovin' you and washed them all away
And you come away with a great little story
Of a mess of a dreamer with the nerve to adore you
Oh, what a shame
What a rainy ending given to a perfect day
Just walk away
No use defending words that you will never say
And now that I'm sittin' here thinkin' it through
I've never been anywhere cold as you
You never did give a damn thing, honey
But I cried, cried for you
And I know you wouldn't have told nobody
If I died, died for you, died for you
Oh, what a shame
What a rainy ending give to a perfect day
Every smile you fake is so condescending
Counted all the scars you made
Now that I'm sittin her thinkin' it through
I've never been anywhere cold as you
Fearless
There's somethin' 'bout the way the street looks when it's just rained
There's a glow off the pavement, you walk me to the car
And you know I wanna ask you to dance right there
In the middle of the parking lot, yeah
We're drivin' down the road, I wonder if you know
I'm tryin' so hard not to get caught up now
But you're just so cool, run your hands through your hair
Absent-mindedly makin' me want you
And I don't know how it gets better than this
You take my hand and drag me headfirst, fearless
And I don't know why but with you I dance
In a storm in my best dress, fearless
So baby drive slow 'til we run out of road
In this one horse town, I wanna stay right here
In this passenger seat, you put your eyes on me
In this moment, now capture it, remember it
'Cause I don't know how it gets better than this
You take my hand and drag me headfirst, fearless
And I don't know why but with you I'd dance
In a storm in my best dress, fearless
Well, you stood there with me in the doorway
My hands shake, I'm not usually this way
But you pull me in and I'm a little more brave
It's the first kiss, it's flawless, really somethin'
It's fearless
'Cause I don't know how it gets better than this
You take my hand and drag me headfirst, fearless
And I don't know why but with you I'd dance
In a storm in my best dress, fearless
'Cause I don't know how it gets better than this
You take my hand and drag me headfirst, fearless
And I don't know why but with you I'd dance
In a storm in my best dress, fearless
The Best Day
I'm five years old, it's getting cold, I've got my big coat on
I hear your laugh and look up smiling at you, I run and run
Past the pumpkin patch and the tractor rides, look now, the sky is gold
I hug your legs and fall asleep on the way home
I don't know why all the trees change in the fall
But I know you're not scared of anything at all
Don't know if Snow White's house is near or far away
But I know I had the best day with you today
I'm thirteen now and don't know how my friends could be so mean
I come home crying and you hold me tight and grab the keys
And we drive and drive until we found a town far enough away
And we talk and window shop 'til I've forgotten all their names
I don't know who I'm gonna talk to now at school
But I know I'm laughing on the car ride home with you
Don't know how long it's gonna take to feel okay
But I know I had the best day with you today
I have an excellent father, his strength is making me stronger
God smiles on my little brother, inside and out, he's better than I am
I grew up in a pretty house and I had space to run
And I had the best days with you
There is a video I found from back when I was three
You set up a paint set in the kitchen and you're talking to me
It's the age of princesses and pirate ships and the seven dwarfs
And Daddy's smart and you're the prettiest lady in the whole wide world
And now I know why the all the trees change in the fall
I know you were on my side even when I was wrong
And I love you for giving me your eyes
For staying back and watching me shine
And I didn't know if you knew, so I'm takin' this chance to say
That I had the best day with you today
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Member Since: 11/29/2010
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Originally posted by debutante
Maybe her lyrics would be good if she was a 13 year old girl. But she's a grown woman.
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 Shut up.
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Member Since: 2/28/2012
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God, why everyone is taking WANEGBT so seriously  . It's a great song, fun and catchy.
She is an amazing songwriter, i mean her lyrics are not like very deep or something but you can usually relate to them and 'feel' them
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Member Since: 5/9/2012
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Originally posted by debutante
Maybe her lyrics would be good if she was a 13 year old girl. But she's a grown woman.
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I can't. 
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Member Since: 10/31/2011
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
A hater would never have heard masterpieces like The Best Day
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On another note, I think it's unfortunate that Taylor fans around this website have allowed members to bully them into "admitting" that WANEGBT was a sacrifice in songwriting ability for larger appeal. It was not. It was a display of songwriting ability, and I'm still sort of shocked that her fans can't appreciate it, given that they appreciate some of her other purposefully indulgent moments, like Better Than Revenge and Should've Said No. The song isn't a far cry from The Way I Loved You, but I feel like everyone would criticize such a comparison.
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Right? The lyrics are funny, sharp and succinct, and full of Taylor-isms like the change from "we called it off again last night" to "you called me up again tonight". Brilliant. And one of the most iirresistible choruses of her career. Pop perfection.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Taylor Swift justs writes the same songs but changes title and some chords here and there. I'm surprised ya'll haven't caught on yet 
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Member Since: 9/6/2012
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Originally posted by Javan
Taylor Swift justs writes the same songs but changes title and some chords here and there. I'm surprised ya'll haven't caught on yet |
Tell me how 'You Belong With Me' is the same as 'Safe & Sound'
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Member Since: 11/29/2010
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Originally posted by Javan
Taylor Swift justs writes the same songs but changes title and some chords here and there. I'm surprised ya'll haven't caught on yet |
We caught the fact that you know **** about her music perfectly well.
Bye.
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Member Since: 5/9/2012
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Originally posted by muddysquirrel
We caught the fact that you know **** about her music perfectly well.
Bye.
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Gosh I love you!
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Member Since: 10/31/2011
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Originally posted by Javan
Taylor Swift justs writes the same songs but changes title and some chords here and there. I'm surprised ya'll haven't caught on yet |
Right? All Her songs have melodies and lyrics. Yawn. She's also overly reliant on writing verses and choruses. Bitch needs to change it up a bit.
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