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Discussion: Was Janet Jackson Local?
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She's in the no man's land between being global and being local. In her peak she was an international superstar, but as her fame faded in the US it dwindled more rapidly everywhere else. It's the only explanation for why kids and young adults in Europe don't know her music.
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Yes, even back in the day. I love her and stan but i cant believe she only sold 2.5m in the UK. She sold a lot in the US.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
She's in the no man's land between being global and being local. In her peak she was an international superstar, but as her fame faded in the US it dwindled more rapidly everywhere else.
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This is more accurate.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
She's in the no man's land between being global and being local. In her peak she was an international superstar, but as her fame faded in the US it dwindled more rapidly everywhere else.
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That's what i think too. Superbowl destroyed her US success, So she stopped promoting worldwide after that just so she could build her US career back up (which still hasn't worked)
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Yes, even back in the day. I love her and stan but i cant believe she only sold 2.5m in the UK. She sold a lot in the US.
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Uk and US aren't the world. Your going off dated certifications anyway
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DEAD@ not having no #1's automatically makes you irrelevant. What kind of delusions...
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Member Since: 8/31/2011
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Wow  People are really misinformed.
This "I'm from ______ and I don't know her song" comment is starting to look a little ignorant.
I'm sure you haven't heard a lot of songs by many artists, but that doesn't diminish their success because YOU haven't listened to their music. You're not that special 
I don't know every John Lennon, R.E.M, or Tina Turner song but I wouldn't try to even make an opinion on their worldwide success.
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Member Since: 1/18/2012
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
Wow People are really misinformed.
This "I'm from ______ and I don't know her song" comment is starting to look a little ignorant.
I'm sure you haven't heard a lot of songs by many artists, but that doesn't diminish their success because YOU haven't listened to their music. You're not that special
I don't know every John Lennon, R.E.M, or Tina Turner song but I wouldn't try to even make an opinion on their worldwide success. |
The only John songs i know are Imagine and Days like these. or w/e, Guess he was Local, right? 
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Originally posted by tcweh
The only John songs i know are Imagine and Days like these. or w/e, Guess he was Local, right? |
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
Wow People are really misinformed.
This "I'm from ______ and I don't know her song" comment is starting to look a little ignorant.
I'm sure you haven't heard a lot of songs by many artists, but that doesn't diminish their success because YOU haven't listened to their music. You're not that special
I don't know every John Lennon, R.E.M, or Tina Turner song but I wouldn't try to even make an opinion on their worldwide success. |
Y'all better read DOWNE!!!
The disrespect on this site sometimes. Plus, the way people looked at success and the charts then were different than they do now. We're numbers obsessed nowadays. If you don't get a number 1, that automatically makes you a failure. If you don't have a lot of twitter/facebook followers, you're irrelevant.
To say Janet Jackson is local is beyond insane. What type of ****...
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Originally posted by tcweh
Oh but she was, The UK isn't all of Europe, (even though she had plenty of top 5 hits in the UK too). "Together Again" Topped the Europe singles Chart. And she's had Top 5 Hit's In Ireland, France, Germany, Switzerland Netherlands and ireland individually. She's Like Beyonce, Her Hits never really reached #1. But still were big anyway
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Beyonce has 6 #1 UK hits and she also has a 4x platinum album from the UK. None of Janet's releases are more then 2x platinum in European countries and most of her releases were during times when album sales were huge in the 90's. She has no UK #1's and she doesn't have a lot of hits that were big all across Europe. The only big hits that she had the penetrated Europe were What Have You Done For Me Lately, Together Again and All For You. Those are the only hits she had that performed well in the biggest markets of Europe (UK, Germany and France). That's what people mean when they say she is local, none of her hits were really that huge and only a few of them charted well over there. She never sold extremely well even when the market was bigger. She was left in the dust of other singers like Mariah, Whitney, Madonna, Celine and others. This means comparatively, considering the time she was local. I don't say that out of malice but in truth. She never set Europe on fire like other artists did in her time frame.
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Originally posted by Monroe
Beyonce has 6 #1 UK hits and she also has a 4x platinum album from the UK. None of Janet's releases are more then 2x platinum in European countries and most of her releases were during times when album sales were huge in the 90's. She has no UK #1's and she doesn't have a lot of hits that were big all across Europe. The only big hits that she had the penetrated Europe were What Have You Done For Me Lately, Together Again and All For You. Those are the only hits she had that performed well in the biggest markets of Europe (UK, Germany and France). That's what people mean when they say she is local, none of her hits were really that huge and only a few of them charted well over there. She never sold extremely well even when the market was bigger. She was left in the dust of other singers like Mariah, Whitney, Madonna, Celine and others. This means comparatively, considering the time she was local. I don't say that out of malice but in truth. She never set Europe on fire like other artists did in her time frame.
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Nasty, Let's Wait Awhile, When I Think Of You, That's the Way Love Goes, Whoops now, and Runaway All charted well in European countries
Yes Beyonce is bigger in the UK then Janet, I'm talking generally though, outside of Irreplaceable, her singles didn't really go #1 in most places. And may i ask why you only use the UK as an excuse to her being local? What about Asia? Australia/oceania? Africa? she was big in these places, and sold out arena's there.
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Originally posted by InsureTer
Y'all better read DOWNE!!!
The disrespect on this site sometimes. Plus, the way people looked at success and the charts then were different than they do now. We're numbers obsessed nowadays. If you don't get a number 1, that automatically makes you a failure. If you don't have a lot of twitter/facebook followers, you're irrelevant.
To say Janet Jackson is local is beyond insane. What type of ****... |
right!!!! :deadbanan2:
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Originally posted by tcweh
And may i ask why you only use the UK as an excuse to her being local?
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I'm not. Although the UK is a big market my point is that I am using her lack of strong chart performance across the biggest markets in Europe to say she was local. Germany, France and the UK are the biggest markets in Europe and in order to be global you probably need to be able to crack them. USA > UK > Europe > Japan > Aus > other countries. That is usually how artists see it in terms of sales potential in world markets.
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What about Asia? Australia/oceania? Africa?
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Does Africa even have an official chart? I haven't heard of it. Touring is another matter entirely. Artists can flop all over the place and still have a successful tour. As to her being successful in Asia I said that she did well in Japan and have always said that. Japan is probably her second biggest market after North America. But she was never that big in Europe and she had only moderate success in Australia, 7 hits over the course of 20 years isn't that great and never rising above 2x platinum doesn't exactly spell dominance in that region. That's why people say she is local because she never really dominated any place other then the US.
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Janet has never been, and will never be local for a few reasons:
1. Janet has sold a maximum of 150 million records. She has (confirmed) sold ~56 million records stateside. That leaves ~94 million records outside of the US. That's not local.
2. Janet has awards from award shows based out of Japan, Australia, New Zeland, Africa, and across Europe. That's not local.
3. Every Janet album between Control and AFY has produced one or more global hits (as in top ten in every reporting country). That's not local.
4. Janet's first tour sold out stadiums in Japan, the US, Canada, and sizable arenas across Europe (spare me the Wiki links as they don't list all the dates). Her second tour sold out across Europe and Asia. The Velvet Rope Tour sold out 33 dates of arenas and stadiums across Europe. Her fourth tour sold out stadiums in Asia (European leg was canceled due to 9/11). Her most recent tour sold out in Europe, Africa, Asia,and Canada (regardless of the venue size). That's not local.
5. For the Mediatraffic sheep:  That's not local.
6. She has multiple top ten hits in Canada, UK, Germany, France, Japan, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Ireland, Netherlands, Denmark, Switzerland, and other countries. That's not local.
7. Every major country have artists who are their version of "Janet Jackson", or have listed her as an influence. That's not local.
8. Her songs, videos, and choreography have been covered in countries across the world. That's not local.
Janet Damita Jo Jackson, in her 39 years of entertainment, has never been, is not, and will never, be local. And I have receipts for EVERYTHING listed. Try me.
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Originally posted by Monroe
I'm not. Although the UK is a big market my point is that I am using her lack of strong chart performance across the biggest markets in Europe to say she was local. Germany, France and the UK are the biggest markets in Europe and in order to be global you probably need to be able to crack them. USA > UK > Europe > Japan > Aus > other countries. That is usually how artists see it in terms of sales potential in world markets.
Does Africa even have an official chart? I haven't heard of it. Touring is another matter entirely. Artists can flop all over the place and still have a successful tour. As to her being successful in Asia I said that she did well in Japan and have always said that. Japan is probably her second biggest market after North America. But she was never that big in Europe and she had only moderate success in Australia, 7 hits over the course of 20 years isn't that great and never rising above 2x platinum doesn't exactly spell dominance in that region. That's why people say she is local because she never really dominated any place other then the US.
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Well i wouldn't go as far as calling her Global, That's for stars like Michael, Madonna and Whitney. i have always categorized her as "international". And what? You can't discard touring  it shows that obviously people were aware of her around the world for her to sell out Arena's everywhere. South africa does have a chart. Not sure what it's called exactly but I know that "that's The Way Love Goes" was huge there. And that she's one of the biggest female artists there. Janet's biggest Album in Australia is 4x Platinum. And again your going off dated certifications. She is very under certified.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
Janet has never been, and will never be local for a few reasons:
1. Janet has sold a maximum of 150 million records. She has (confirmed) sold ~56 million records stateside. That leaves ~94 million records outside of the US. That's not local.
2. Janet has awards from award shows based out of Japan, Australia, New Zeland, Africa, and across Europe. That's not local.
3. Every Janet album between Control and AFY has produced one or more global hits (as in top ten in every reporting country). That's not local.
4. Janet's first tour sold out stadiums in Japan, the US, Canada, and sizable arenas across Europe (spare me the Wiki links as they don't list all the dates). Her second tour sold out across Europe and Asia. The Velvet Rope Tour sold out 33 dates of arenas and stadiums across Europe. Her fourth tour sold out stadiums in Asia (European leg was canceled due to 9/11). Her most recent tour sold out in Europe, Africa, Asia,and Canada (regardless of the venue size). That's not local.
5. For the Mediatraffic sheep: That's not local.
6. She has multiple top ten hits in Canada, UK, Germany, France, Japan, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Ireland, Netherlands, Denmark, Switzerland, and other countries. That's not local.
7. Every major country have artists who are their version of "Janet Jackson", or have listed her as an influence. That's not local.
8. Her songs, videos, and choreography have been covered in countries across the world. That's not local.
Janet Damita Jo Jackson, in her 39 years of entertainment, has never been, is not, and will never, be local. And I have receipts for EVERYTHING listed. Try me. |
And it has finally arrived 
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That list is wrong
Mediatraffic updated it. Janet is in the top 5
Most worldwide top 10 hits
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Originally posted by Musicjunky318
She was never as popular as her contemporaries, the three women she's often grouped alongside. (Madonna, Whitney, & Mariah.) She's the weakest one from the list and she also never experienced the same worldwide support either. Outside of a few spots on the globe (America, Japan, Australia, maybe a few others) Janet's not really an iconic figure.
In the United States I'd say it's:
1. Madonna
2. Mariah
3. Whitney
4. Janet
Worldwide:
1. Madonna
2. Whitney
3. Mariah
4. Janet
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This.
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Janet Jackson. The youngest Jackson sibling proved to also possess a talent with music. She signed a recording contract at the age of 16 and initially faced criticisms concerning her singing abilities. But, that didn’t stop Jackson from pursuing her dreams. She has now sold more than 100 million records worldwide. Her album titled, "Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814" was the best selling album of 1990.
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http://www.mademan.com/mm/10-best-be...-all-time.html
Look! Janet is the 7th biggest selling Female Artist of ALL time. How LOCAL of her!
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