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Chart Listings: iTunes Discussion Thread (August 2011 - July 2013)
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The convo started because someone stated that Carly is the "it girl" of the year. While her song is a part of pop culture, I still have a hard time calling her the "it girl" when the only thing she has is "Call Me Maybe." "Good Time" is doing decently, but it's not slaughtering the competition. Look at the "it girls" of past years; they dominated in more than one way. Carly, to me, comes off as Vanessa Carlton - had a song that was universally loved and was used in the media but didn't do much after that. We'll see what else she does, but I don't see it for her. I feel that the males have dominated more than the females this year anyway - One Direction, Frank Ocean, Gotye, fun., etc.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
The convo started because someone stated that Carly is the "it girl" of the year. While her song is a part of pop culture, I still have a hard time calling her the "it girl" when the only thing she has is "Call Me Maybe." "Good Time" is doing decently, but it's not slaughtering the competition. Look at the "it" girls of past year, they dominated in more than one way. Carly, to me, comes off as Vanessa Carlton - had a song that was universally loved and was used in the media but didn't do much after that. We'll see what she does, but I don't see it for her. I feel that the males have dominated more than the females this year anyway - One Direction, Frank Ocean, Gotye, fun., etc.
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You are contradicting yourself. How did Gotye, Frank and fun. dominate with 1 hit under their belts?
You're just a Carly Rae hater and there's nothing wrong with that - but she's the it girl of the year-
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Originally posted by ClashAndBurn
No... "Oh My Darling, Clementine" wouldn't do her any favors if she released it to radio.  |
It ***** and that's her REAL style. Want U Back was just released in a desperate attempt at turning her into a popstar, but everyone knows she's a rapper.
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Originally posted by LONGWAY2GO.
You are contradicting yourself. How did Gotye, Frank and fun. dominate with 1 hit under their belts?
You're just a Carly Rae hater and there's nothing wrong with that - but she's the it girl of the year-
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Well, what I meant is that we have seen more male dominance than female dominance, not that Gotye, Frank and fun. are in competition for "it boys." And at least Gotye, Frank and fun. actually have albums on the charts right now. Again, all Carly has is "Call Me Maybe."
And whatever makes you sleep at night. I still say that Carly is nothing more than a girl with one big hit and a moderate one.
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Originally posted by Rigalo
Umm.. RHI flopped because it was released when the album was like what, 4 or 5 times platinum. 
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More like 7-8X platinum.
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Originally posted by LONGWAY2GO.
You are contradicting yourself. How did Gotye, Frank and fun. dominate with 1 hit under their belts?
You're just a Carly Rae hater and there's nothing wrong with that - but she's the it girl of the year-
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Nah he meant overall Males have been dominating over females. And well Gotye and Fun at least has an album that is selling so.
And a single #1 song does not make you the hit artist of the year.
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Nah he meant overall Males have been dominating over females. And well Gotye and Fun at least has an album that is selling so.
And a single #1 song does not make you the hit artist of the year.
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Thank you. That's exactly what I'm saying, but I won't go too far and say Gotye is the "it dude" of the year because "Somebody That I Used To Know" is the biggest hit of the year so far when it's his only hit. It's just a very slow year for females. All of the big females, with the exception of Katy, have moved on from their eras. If Carly is considered the "it girl" of the year with such receipts, then it says a lot about how weak this year is for female newcomers and breakthrough artists.
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I've been the first to defend Adele's power and in particular, the significance of Rolling In The Deep over the past many months, but Adele is hardly the main artist of 2012. All of her success that she's seen this year is just momentum from last year, and I'm mainly trying to point out her declining relevance in popular culture, not album sales. No one talks about her anymore, and her songs seem to now get less recurrent airplay than much older hits.
There's no doubt that album sales affected her last two singles, but Set Fire To The Rain still performed. Rumour Has It suffered from a lot of things, but mostly Adele fatigue. When your album has sold over 8 million copies and people have heard nothing but you on the radio for a year and your newness and coolness are out the window and your current single just so happens to be a much weaker track than the first three, things aren't bound to turn out as well. And they didn't, even with huge radio support.
Her starpower is what's declined in the US, and she's simply not the "It" girl anymore. Like I said, no one talks about her anymore and she doesn't have music playing on the radio. Even if you're trying to use her awards as justification, that was all spillover from last year, and her real popular decline began immediately after that comeback performance at the Grammy Awards. Being the "It Girl" is more of a pop cultural title than some type of album sales measure. If you think It Girl translates to who's the best album seller, then sure, she's the It Girl. But in that same vein, Taylor Swift was the It Girl in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010.
People here seem to hate Carly because of her song being juvenile or because her single success has stomped on all other female pop songs this year, but let's not pretend Call Me Maybe isn't the premiere smash of the year. At least in the United States, it is a bigger pop culture event than WAY or STIUTK.
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
I've been the first to defend Adele's power and in particular, the significance of Rolling In The Deep over the past many months, but Adele is hardly the main artist of 2012. All of her success that she's seen this year is just momentum from last year, and I'm mainly trying to point out her declining relevance in popular culture, not album sales. No one talks about her anymore, and her songs seem to now get less recurrent airplay than much older hits.
There's no doubt that album sales affected her last two singles, but Set Fire To The Rain still performed. Rumour Has It suffered from a lot of things, but mostly Adele fatigue. When your album has sold over 8 million copies and people have heard nothing but you on the radio for a year and your newness and coolness are out the window and your current single just so happens to be a much weaker track than the first three, things aren't bound to turn out as well. And they didn't, even with huge radio support.
Her starpower is what's declined in the US, and she's simply not the "It" girl anymore. Like I said, no one talks about her anymore and she doesn't have music playing on the radio, and being the "It Girl" is more of a pop cultural title than some type of album sales measure. If you think It Girl means who's the best album seller, then sure, she's the It Girl. But in that same vein, that means Taylor Swift was the It Girl in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010.
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You're exaggerating as usual.
All three of her #1 hits are big recurrent hits. Regardless, this topic doesn't really deserve back-to-back essays. It really has nothing to do with iTunes.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
You're exaggerating as usual.
All three of her #1 hits are becoming big recurrent hits. Regardless, this topic doesn't really deserve back-to-back essays. It really has nothing to do with iTunes.
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But it's deserving of your back-to-back complaints.
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
I've been the first to defend Adele's power and in particular, the significance of Rolling In The Deep over the past many months, but Adele is hardly the main artist of 2012. All of her success that she's seen this year is just momentum from last year, and I'm mainly trying to point out her declining relevance in popular culture, not album sales. No one talks about her anymore, and her songs seem to now get less recurrent airplay than much older hits.
There's no doubt that album sales affected her last two singles, but Set Fire To The Rain still performed. Rumour Has It suffered from a lot of things, but mostly Adele fatigue. When your album has sold over 8 million copies and people have heard nothing but you on the radio for a year and your newness and coolness are out the window and your current single just so happens to be a much weaker track than the first three, things aren't bound to turn out as well. And they didn't, even with huge radio support.
Her starpower is what's declined in the US, and she's simply not the "It" girl anymore. Like I said, no one talks about her anymore and she doesn't have music playing on the radio. Even if you're trying to use her awards as justification, that was all spillover from last year, and her real popular decline began immediately after that comeback performance at the Grammy Awards. Being the "It Girl" is more of a pop cultural title than some type of album sales measure. If you think It Girl translates to who's the best album seller, then sure, she's the It Girl. But in that same vein, Taylor Swift was the It Girl in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010.
People here seem to hate Carly because of her song being juvenile or because her single success has stomped on all other female pop songs this year, but let's not pretend Call Me Maybe isn't the premiere smash of the year. At least in the United States, it is a bigger pop culture event than WAY or STIUTK.
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I'm not sure if we were saying Adele is the "it girl" right now, because we were debating that Carly is not the "it girl". And people still do talk about her just look at the Social 50 on Billboard. She has stayed within the top 10 the whole time. I won't say she is the "it girl" right now but I would say that she still has a strong presence. On AC radio she has two songs in the top 5 which are SFTTR and RHI.
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
But it's deserving of your back-to-back complaints.
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It really doesn't. Just needed to point out your exaggerations. You seem to believe half of the lies you are typing, but do do.
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Well back on topic 
112. Set Fire to the Rain
114. Rumour Has It
116. Rolling in the Deep
144. Someone Like You
621. Make You Feel My Love
688. Turning Tables
888. One and Only
961. Chasing Pavements
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Where is "Party Rock Anthem"? I am patiently waiting for it to pass RITD.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
It really doesn't. Just needed to point out your exaggerations. You seem to believe half of the lies you are typing, but do do.
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Well, I'm glad the unworthy topic was worth 8 consecutive posts. 
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All I've argued is that Call Me Maybe is by far the biggest female song of the year and that Adele's coolness and pop cultural relevance have seen a massive decline over the past several months, both of which are true.
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PRA is at #88
Not sure what the gap is though but I'm not even sure if they can surpass it.
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Originally posted by ClashAndBurn
2009 is a debatable year, because you could easily say that Taylor Swift was an "it girl" too. She outdid Gaga in album sales, had several hit singles, and gathered more media attention from the incident at the VMAs than Gaga did for her performance. And then to top it all off, she won Album of the Year over Gaga's debut effort.?
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And yet Taylor was not the one with four worldwide smash hits and two songs on the year-end IFPI chart, was she? And I'm pretty sure her album sold less worldwide. On a worldwide scale Gaga was far bigger and remains so - an argument for Taylor being near Gaga's popularity can only be made in the US.
With that said, I believe that Carly is this year's "it girl", given the worldwide success of "Call Me Maybe" and two more potential hits ("Good Time" and "Curiosity").
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
Well, I'm glad the unworthy topic was worth 8 consecutive posts.
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All I've argued is that Call Me Maybe is by far the biggest female song of the year and that Adele's coolness and pop cultural relevance have seen a massive decline over the past several months, both of which are true. |
Yes its true because shes done with the 21 era
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Yes its true because shes done with the 21 era |
Even if that was the reason, that doesn't change the fact that she's not the center of the female pop world and pop culture this year.
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