[abc1990]

Originally posted by pika

Lmao proving my point. It doesn't matter if you're scoring top ten hits on Billboard, if you change from a genre that supported you, you will be seen as a sellout. The general public does not care, and you know that.

Azealia never changed genres though, she has ALWAYS been rapping over house music beats

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by pika

You said it yourself, you thought she was hip-hop. The hip-hop community thought she was hip-hop. All of her stans thought she was hip-hop, but now she's saying she's dance. Thus meaning, she's turning her back on the hip-hop crowd that most definitely got her name out there. Is this so hard to understand or?

Ah, now we see the misunderstanding:

The hip-hop crowd is NOT what got her famous. People called her hip-hop yes, because she primarily RAPPED. But the crowd that got her a fanbase and a following was the dance-pop, indie, and alternative crowds. Her whole point, and my whole point is this debate, is even though people tried to call her hip-hop, that was NEVER the music she was making. She's been making music with unusual beat choices, and dance beats from the get-go. She's not CHANGING anything like you seem to think she is. She's just clarifying the kind of music she wants to continue to make, and acknowledging that she can find an audience for it in places outside of the hip-hop community who have NOT been supporting her.

[pika]

Originally posted by abc1990

How can you speak on the behalf of others???? You don't know how the general public will view her

And no, the term sell out doesn't apply to this situation seeing how her sound has been consistent amongst ALL of her songs

She doesn't want to be associated with the hip-hop scene, but she will continue to rap

I'm done. I've said the same thing over and over again. She will be seen as a sellout to them and the fickle general public. I'm not speaking for everyone, I'm speaking off of how Nicki was seen as a sellout to make euro dance music, how Katy was seen as a sellout for a little bit when she left Christian music for the pop hits. We can debate all we want, but the GP isn't sitting cooped up on their computers arguing what is a sellout and what is not. At the end of the day, they will term Azealia as that and that's all I'm trying to get across.

[abc1990]

Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla

Ah, now we see the misunderstanding:

The hip-hop crowd is NOT what got her famous. People called her hip-hop yes, because she primarily RAPPED. But the crowd that got her a fanbase and a following was the dance-pop, indie, and alternative crowds. Her whole point, and my whole point is this debate, is even though people tried to call her hip-hop, that was NEVER the music she was making. She's been making music with unusual beat choices, and dance beats from the get-go. She's not CHANGING anything like you seem to think she is. She's just clarifying the kind of music she wants to continue to make, and acknowledging that she can find an audience for it in places outside of the hip-hop community who have NOT been supporting her.

True tea right here

[pika]

Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla

Ah, now we see the misunderstanding:

The hip-hop crowd is NOT what got her famous. People called her hip-hop yes, because she primarily RAPPED. But the crowd that got her a fanbase and a following was the dance-pop, indie, and alternative crowds. Her whole point, and my whole point is this debate, is even though people tried to call her hip-hop, that was NEVER the music she was making. She's been making music with unusual beat choices, and dance beats from the get-go. She's not CHANGING anything like you seem to think she is. She's just clarifying the kind of music she wants to continue to make, and acknowledging that she can find an audience for it in places outside of the hip-hop community who have NOT been supporting her.

I just... Alright Jameson.

[Willy.]

In all honestly this will keep Azealia as an underground act. She makes good music so I have NO problem with this, but she won't be successful.

[Tsuko]

Originally posted by pika

This makes no sense. Nicki's hip-hop songs not being popular =/= not a hip-hop artist. Just cause nobody heard it doesn't mean it's not out there.

Yes it does mean she's not a hip hop artist.

I'm talking about the general public. She's a pop artist to them, because all they know from her is Starships, Super Bass and Turn Me On.

People aren't meant to guess she does hip hop music. Nobody knows. All they've ever heard from her is dance songs, no different to what Ke$ha and Lady Gaga do.

Maybe Ke$ha has some hidden hip hop tracks that nobody knows about. So shall we call her a hip hop artist too?

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by pika

I'm done. I've said the same thing over and over again. She will be seen as a sellout to them and the fickle general public. I'm not speaking for everyone, I'm speaking off of how Nicki was seen as a sellout to make euro dance music, how Katy was seen as a sellout for a little bit when she left Christian music for the pop hits. We can debate all we want, but the GP isn't sitting cooped up on their computers arguing what is a sellout and what is not. At the end of the day, they will term Azealia as that and that's all I'm trying to get across.

But Azealia isn't changing the sound of her music. Your point doesn't make sense.

Seriously, accept that in this one case you don't actually know what you're talking about. You're obviously confused and think Azealia had this big support on urban radio/in hip-hop, but that's never been the case. She's had success in hip-hop that's blended over with pop (again, West and M.I.A., etc), but she has NEVER been a factor on urban radio because of the dance beats. She's not changing her sound or style at all, she's basically just confirming what people who followed her influences/style already knew. I don't know why this is so hard for you to comprehend. Have you actually listened to her material?

[Vertigo Stick]

Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla

Ah, now we see the misunderstanding:

The hip-hop crowd is NOT what got her famous. People called her hip-hop yes, because she primarily RAPPED. But the crowd that got her a fanbase and a following was the dance-pop, indie, and alternative crowds. Her whole point, and my whole point is this debate, is even though people tried to call her hip-hop, that was NEVER the music she was making. She's been making music with unusual beat choices, and dance beats from the get-go. She's not CHANGING anything like you seem to think she is. She's just clarifying the kind of music she wants to continue to make, and acknowledging that she can find an audience for it in places outside of the hip-hop community who have NOT been supporting her.

Originally posted by pika

I just... Alright Jameson.

[pika]

Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla

But Azealia isn't changing the sound of her music. Your point doesn't make sense.

Seriously, accept that in this one case you don't actually know what you're talking about. You're obviously confused and think Azealia had this big support on urban radio/in hip-hop, but that's never been the case. She's had success in hip-hop that's blended over with pop (again, West and M.I.A., etc), but she has NEVER been a factor on urban radio because of the dance beats. She's not changing her sound or style at all, she's basically just confirming what people who followed her influences/style already knew. I don't know why this is so hard for you to comprehend. Have you actually listened to her material?

Yes.

I'm done. I've said the same thing over and over again.

[abc1990]

Originally posted by pika

I'm done. I've said the same thing over and over again. She will be seen as a sellout to them and the fickle general public. I'm not speaking for everyone, I'm speaking off of how Nicki was seen as a sellout to make euro dance music, how Katy was seen as a sellout for a little bit when she left Christian music for the pop hits. We can debate all we want, but the GP isn't sitting cooped up on their computers arguing what is a sellout and what is not. At the end of the day, they will term Azealia as that and that's all I'm trying to get across.

Katy went from doing Christian music to pop music

Nicki went from making Hip-Hop music to pop music

Azealia went from rapping over house beats to rapping over house beats


You keep saying that the general public will view her as a sell out, yet you haven't giving any concrete facts as to why

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by pika

I just... Alright Jameson.

Please, by all means, if you have some evidence that the hip-hop community is what really got her name out there, show it to me. But 212 got big on Pitchfork, not TGJ.

[abc1990]

Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla

But Azealia isn't changing the sound of her music. Your point doesn't make sense.

Seriously, accept that in this one case you don't actually know what you're talking about. You're obviously confused and think Azealia had this big support on urban radio/in hip-hop, but that's never been the case. She's had success in hip-hop that's blended over with pop (again, West and M.I.A., etc), but she has NEVER been a factor on urban radio because of the dance beats. She's not changing her sound or style at all, she's basically just confirming what people who followed her influences/style already knew. I don't know why this is so hard for you to comprehend. Have you actually listened to her material?

Exactly, urban radio doesn't even play her music (you may hear 212 on the radio once a week, but that's it)

[Willy.]

And Jameson's right. The Urban community NEVER had nothing to do with her. Urban radio never used her either.

It was always the underground scene that did.

[Tsuko]

And can people stop trying to speak for the "hip hop crowd". I'm a hip hop fan, and I don't see Azealia as a sell out. And most other hip hop fans don't either. If you go on a hip hop forum, and talk about Azealia, most people will be like "Who?".

I have a lot more respect for her after this, if anything, and it's helped out her career imo.

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by abc1990

Exactly, urban radio doesn't even play her music (you may hear 212 on the radio once a week, but that's it)

She got booed at Summer Jam for being too dance.

Her original label 2-3 years ago was XL Recordings, which houses artists like M.I.A., The xx, Jai Paul, etc. Artists who blend electronic music and other genres.

Looks like she's stayed about the same to me. I agree that she might not gain pop relevance on this track, but I'd rather that and she make good music like M.I.A. Maybe she'll even have a Paper Planes someday.

[Tsuko]

Here's an "Azealia Banks Quits Rap" thread on a Kanye West forum that I go on: http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/inde...topic=236079.0

Most people don't seem to care. The thread only has 4 pages, whilst the Nicki vs. Hot 97 thread had like 250 pages.

[abc1990]

Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla

She got booed at Summer Jam for being too dance.

Her original label 2-3 years ago was XL Recordings, which houses artists like M.I.A., The xx, Jai Paul, etc. Artists who blend electronic music and other genres.

Looks like she's stayed about the same to me. I agree that she might not gain pop relevance on this track, but I'd rather that and she make good music like M.I.A. Maybe she'll even have a Paper Planes someday.

and Summer Jam was her 1st introduction to a large hip-hop audience

[Reed]

Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla

I agree that she might not gain pop relevance on this track, but I'd rather that and she make good music like M.I.A. Maybe she'll even have a Paper Planes someday.

On what track? If she's still planning on making the same type of music, what's to stop her from breaking out? I think the music she's making right now has great potential to smash. She just needs a debut.

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by Reed

On what track? If she's still planning on making the same type of music, what's to stop her from breaking out? I think the music she's making right now has great potential to smash. She just needs a debut.

The public loves to not like what I like though.