ok y'all saying "humans have evolved to eat meat" have no idea how evolution works, when you look at the amount of time humans have been eating meat as a servival mechanism it's basically nothing compared to the time our ancestors were just eating fruits and leaves, it takes millions and millions of years for us to go from one type of eater to another. If you look at our closests relatives today their diets consist of mostly fruit and vegetation and even the ones that consume meat like chimps do it once in a blue moon and only for status reasons so it makes up less than 1% of their diet and you want to make me believe we should be eating meat at least once a week? and no honey i am not trolling as any intellectual being would look at the corruption within in the "Health" industry, they want to make you believe that they truly care about your health by making food pyramid telling you to eat meat and dairy to be healthy when in reality they are the biggest contributors to the diseases we see today just so they can profit off your sickness.
So you obviously realise that our closest relatives chimps/bonobos are omnivores and frequently eat bush meat and Bush babies? Also in the Fongoli chimps the hunting is mostly carried out by females. From where you acknowledge this that should really answer the question. Whether a diet heavy on meat is ideal for the longest possible lifespan is nothing to do with question of whether it's natural. You're conflating your agenda with the question at hand.
So you obviously realise that our closest relatives chimps/bonobos are omnivores and frequently eat bush meat and Bush babies?
That's an overstatement.
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Their diet consists mainly of plant products including fruit, seeds, sprouts, leaves, flowers, bark, stems, pith, roots, and mushrooms. Though the majority of their diet is fruit (57%), bonobos are also known to consume small mammals, insect larvae, earthworms, honey, eggs, and soil (Kano 1992; Bermejo et al. 1994).
You know no animal on earth eats all four food groups right? You know humans are the only species on earth to drink milk after infancy and from ANOTHER species? You know humans are the only species that cooks their food? Like am i really suppose to believe that i need to eat meat, fish, dairy products, grains, beans, fruits, and vegetables to be at my optimum health when it would be impossible for me to consume all those things without modern technology humans complicate heath WAYYYYY too much, gotta get enough this gotta get enough that! More protein! More calcium! Like GURLLLL COME DOWN! Animals don't know **** about any of that they just eat what appeals to them in it's raw natural state and are completely fine. We get everything we need from fruit and tender leafy greens it's really not that complicated.
This isn't an intelligent point. There's a reason why our life expectancy has continually increased and why we outlive all the other primates by a fair margin
An optimum life by its nature should be something difficult to achieve. Looking at other animals and saying they survive fine is not an argument against a balanced diet, especially not when we ourselves survive better than any of our close relatives.
This isn't even close to the current human Western diet.
Your agenda is evident too.
Its not an overstatement, it's semantics. To suggest it irregular implies that it occurs as an anomaly or purely under extreme circumstances. There's a BBC article about the chimps almost eating the red colubus monkey into extinction.
As I said, discussing the extent to which we eat meat as modern humans (whether we over consume) is a seperate conversation from whether it is natural and has nothing to do with the fact that both our ancestors and closest relatives are omnivores.
My only agenda is stopping people from derailing. I myself am actually trying to reduce meat in my diet, but it is natural for us to eat it.
No, it's not, God didn't want us to eat meat. God allowed Adam and Eve to eat plants and herbs, a privilege he granted also to the animals. And humans and animals enjoyed a peaceful and friendly relationship in the Garden of Eden. Meat is bad and it maked God sad.
You know no animal on earth eats all four food groups right? You know humans are the only species on earth to drink milk after infancy and from ANOTHER species? You know humans are the only species that cooks their food? Like am i really suppose to believe that i need to eat meat, fish, dairy products, grains, beans, fruits, and vegetables to be at my optimum health when it would be impossible for me to consume all those things without modern technology humans complicate heath WAYYYYY too much, gotta get enough this gotta get enough that! More protein! More calcium! Like GURLLLL COME DOWN! Animals don't know **** about any of that they just eat what appeals to them in it's raw natural state and are completely fine. We get everything we need from fruit and tender leafy greens it's really not that complicated.
Fire isn't modern technology lmao. And the fact that we cook food is essentially what makes us human and distunguishes us from those primates. Because of that we were able to evolve bigger brains to create the civilisations that we have and the reason why we can survive in every corner of the earth. People who live in Antarctica have an almost exclusively meat based diet and they're not pharmaceutical slaves? In African and South America and some parts of Asia there are still indigenous groups who live as humans did centuries ago eating fruits and greens but also cooking meat with fire
I get the arguments against processed food and fizzy drinks and that and also that farming is detrimental to the environment but this argument is stupid
People using technology to argue about whether eating meat is natural or not.
Until y'all live in trees and only come down to run to the next tree if it's too far to swing who cares about how natural it is. Nothing we do or use today is particularly natural, why should meat be the thing that's singled out. (Despite the fact that our closest relatives also eat meat if they can get it, so it's clearly natural.)
Because going vegan conserves land and contributes to the stoppage of deforestation, world hunger, green house gas emissions, ozone depletion and global warming.
Yep. There's no point focusing on intangible vaguely moralising stuff like in this thread when there's very real and straightforward benefits to vegetarianism.
Yes. That doesn't mean that factory farming isn't cruel to animals, but anyone who doesn't think it's natural for humans to eat meat is a moron and needs to do just the SLIGHTEST amount of research.
MESS @ people who think our body is "designed" to eat just fruits or vegetables... Where the hell would we get the protein we need to build muscle? Fruit is all simple carbs, not even complex carbs. If you ate nothing but fruit everyday you would be incredibly unhealthy. What a bunch of bs.
i don't even know why i keep commenting on this thread when the ignorance is too much the body doesn't need "protein" it needs amino acids and you can get the 9 essential one from plants along with the other 11 which your body can actually make on it's own. And don't you know that simple carbs are better than complex carbs because the body has to use more energy to break down complex carbs to simple carbs then if you were just to eat fruit which is easily digestible.
So you obviously realise that our closest relatives chimps/bonobos are omnivores and frequently eat bush meat and Bush babies? Also in the Fongoli chimps the hunting is mostly carried out by females. From where you acknowledge this that should really answer the question. Whether a diet heavy on meat is ideal for the longest possible lifespan is nothing to do with question of whether it's natural. You're conflating your agenda with the question at hand.
it makes up less than 1% of their diet, you can feed a cow some mashed potatoes and corn but does that mean they are meant to eat those things? No! I look at our physiology to determine what kinds of food we should eat and from what i can see fruit is the answer. Meat is just something we have adapted to eating when there's nothing else around but that doesn't mean it's our main food source.
Yes. That doesn't mean that factory farming isn't cruel to animals, but anyone who doesn't think it's natural for humans to eat meat is a moron and needs to do just the SLIGHTEST amount of research.
MESS @ people who think our body is "designed" to eat just fruits or vegetables... Where the hell would we get the protein we need to build muscle? Fruit is all simple carbs, not even complex carbs. If you ate nothing but fruit everyday you would be incredibly unhealthy. What a bunch of bs.
Lol. All of the raw veganists who have cured their cancer, obesity, and heart disease object.
This isn't an intelligent point. There's a reason why our life expectancy has continually increased and why we outlive all the other primates by a fair margin
An optimum life by its nature should be something difficult to achieve. Looking at other animals and saying they survive fine is not an argument against a balanced diet, especially not when we ourselves survive better than any of our close relatives.
if we started living longer it is not because of meat. We started living longer once learned to cultivate plants that's some of the longest living people eat a mostly plant based diet like the okinawans. You can look at the middle ages and see that the royalty got fat and sick because they are nothing but meat while the peasants ate vegetables.
Fire isn't modern technology lmao. And the fact that we cook food is essentially what makes us human and distunguishes us from those primates. Because of that we were able to evolve bigger brains to create the civilisations that we have and the reason why we can survive in every corner of the earth. People who live in Antarctica have an almost exclusively meat based diet and they're not pharmaceutical slaves? In African and South America and some parts of Asia there are still indigenous groups who live as humans did centuries ago eating fruits and greens but also cooking meat with fire
I get the arguments against processed food and fizzy drinks and that and also that farming is detrimental to the environment but this argument is stupid
please tell me where i said fire is modern technology? and news flash those people living close the north pole are not healthy at all!
and no honey i am not trolling as any intellectual being would look at the corruption within in the "Health" industry, they want to make you believe that they truly care about your health by making food pyramid telling you to eat meat and dairy to be healthy when in reality they are the biggest contributors to the diseases we see today just so they can profit off your sickness. 
