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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Eros
with no majority in congress then he's gonna need more than good luck to have these SC Justices confirmed by them to be appointed! there would have to be a tremendous amount of compromise, which our little bernster has shown he's not about that.
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He was the Amendment King in Congress, so this is false 
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Originally posted by Marvin
Of course the establishment doesn't support him  But WHEN he wins the nomination, they WILL get behind him because they don't want a Republican in office.
And Bernie Sanders is a member of the Democratic Party so he is a Democrat!  |
He's not going to win.
You still don't get it. DNC might help him get elected, but if elected Democrats don't agree with his agenda, he win't be able to govern or get anything passed in Congress.
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Originally posted by Marvin
Exactly. But that doesn't mean he's not gonna do any fundraising. He's just going to be helping the correct ones, like Tim Canova for example. He doesn't like corrupt politicians.
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And where will he find and groom all these angelic correct candidates?
And the -majority- of DEMS that take money from "Wall Street" he's just going to hang them out to dry then? Hoping the GOP doesn't snatch their seats?
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Marvin
Of course the establishment doesn't support him But WHEN he wins the nomination, they WILL get behind him because they don't want a Republican in office.
And Bernie Sanders is a member of the Democratic Party so he is a Democrat! |
- Bernie is not going to win the nomination. He will objectively and unarguably need to convince a large majority of super delegates to switch to his side, even if he wins all the contests moving forward. Not being a loyal, strong Democrat, they're not going to do that.
- Even in government, Bernie is consistently ranked as one of the most partisan members and he will struggle to get Democrat support, let alone Republican support. He'd make a terrible president.
- While he has great ideas, he's simply not compromising enough or well-versed in diverse topics enough to be president.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
He's not going to win.
You still don't get it. DNC might help him get elected, but if elected Democrats don't agree with his agenda, he win't be able to govern or get anything passed in Congress.
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I do get it. You're just telling me stuff I've heard over and over again, and it's not going to change my vote (I assume that's what you want me to do?). You can say that about any candidate. There are gonna be Democrats that don't agree with Hillary either, but that's not stopping her from running. Her plan is more "moderate" yes which might make more people agree with her but IMO her plan is not enough, and her history shows that I can't trust her to follow through anyway.
There are a lot of reasons why I'm voting for Bernie and it's not as simple as if his plans are going to get passed or not.
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Originally posted by Marvin
I do get it. You're just telling me stuff I've heard over and over again, and it's not going to change my vote (I assume that's what you want me to do?). You can say that about any candidate. There are gonna be Democrats that don't agree with Hillary either, but that's not stopping her from running. Her plan is more "moderate" yes which might make more people agree with her but IMO her plan is not enough, and her history shows that I can't trust her to follow through anyway.
There are a lot of reasons why I'm voting for him and it's not as simple as if his plans are going to get passed or not.
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No one is trying to change your vote. I hope you vote for Bernie in your state's primary/caucus (if you haven't already). He's who you align with, it's your right to vote.
Having a discussion or argument on politics does not mean that each person is trying to change the other person's vote.
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Originally posted by Marvin
I do get it. You're just telling me stuff I've heard over and over again, and it's not going to change my vote (I assume that's what you want me to do?). You can say that about any candidate. There are gonna be Democrats that don't agree with Hillary either, but that's not stopping her from running. Her plan is more "moderate" yes which might make more people agree with her but IMO her plan is not enough, and her history shows that I can't trust her to follow through anyway.
There are a lot of reasons why I'm voting for Bernie and it's not as simple as if his plans are going to get passed or not.
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No, I don't want you to change your vote, but I'd like to read some logical reasons as to why you're such a hardcore supporter.
Because don't we vote for politicians hoping that their plans become reality?? If there is no (or minimal) chance of that occuring, why vote for such an individual?
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Marvin
Exactly. But that doesn't mean he's not gonna do any fundraising. He's just going to be helping the correct ones, like Tim Canova for example. He doesn't like corrupt politicians.
His pipe dream has worked so far, getting a lot of new people interested in politics and winning the youth vote by far. This "Republican Congress" talk is getting boring; he already knows about this.
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So did Obama but the young people checked out as soon as he got in office....it's too hard to get people in general, not just young people, to stay actively involved in politics outside of an election year. He can't rely on that, he HAS to have a majority in Congress, especially considering the way he wants to overhaul the American economy
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
No, I don't want you to change your vote, but I'd like to read some logical reasons as to why you're such a hardcore supporter.
Because don't we vote for politicians hoping that their plans become reality?? If there is no (or minimal) chance of that occuring, why vote for such an individual?
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It's different ideology. Some people vote more with their conscious and who they feel aligns more with their ideal belief of what the country should be like. Others, like myself, vote from the stance of what can get done to begin approaching their ideal belief of what the country should be like.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by Marvin
Of course the establishment doesn't support him But WHEN he wins the nomination, they WILL get behind him because they don't want a Republican in office.
And Bernie Sanders is a member of the Democratic Party so he is a Democrat! |
sis, I don't think any of them will switch. The superdelegates in my state will stay with her no matter what. Bernie's not going to win. Not while shes nearly 3 million votes ahead 
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Originally posted by RatedG²
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Not them being 100% unable to explain how they will win LOL. They know it's over. If they have to look to the convention (like Hillary in 2008), then you know its over...... Hahaha
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
No, I don't want you to change your vote, but I'd like to read some logical reasons as to why you're such a hardcore supporter.
Because don't we vote for politicians hoping that they're plans become reality?? If there is no (or minimal) chance of that occuring, why vote for such an individual?
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1) He's honest and trustworthy, the only candidate that I can say this about
1a) He's been consistent on his platform for decades, so I know he's gonna stick to what he says
2) He doesn't take money from corporations, lobbyists, etc which is a huge problem today
3) I agree with most of what he says like free healthcare and tuition. I don't care how hard it is to get done; at least he's actually fighting for it unlike everyone else.
4) I don't want a corrupt liar in office.
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
So did Obama but the young people checked out as soon as he got in office....it's too hard to get people in general, not just young people, to stay actively involved in politics outside of an election year
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The internet is a powerful tool. Bernie could use it to his advantage in a way that Obama didn't have the opportunity too.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by Marvin
1) He's honest and trustworthy, the only candidate that I can say this about
1a) He's been consistent on his platform for decades, so I know he's gonna stick to what he says
2) He doesn't take money from corporations, lobbyists, etc which is a huge problem today
3) I agree with most of what he says like free healthcare and tuition. I don't care how hard it is to get done; at least he's actually fighting for it unlike everyone else.
4) I don't want a corrupt liar in office.
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1) You didn't answer the question (how can bernie get things done)
2) If Hilary is a corrupt liar, then so is Bernie.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Marvin
And Bernie Sanders is a member of the Democratic Party so he is a Democrat! |
And I can pretend I'm a dinosaur so I'm a dinosaur now
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Originally posted by HeyMr.DJ
1) You didn't answer the question (how can bernie get things done)
2) If Hilary is a corrupt liar, then so is Bernie.
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1) The question was why am I voting for Bernie/such a big supporter. I did answer the question.
2) Whatever you say
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Originally posted by HeyMr.DJ
Not them being 100% unable to explain how they will win LOL. They know it's over. If they have to look to the convention (like Hillary in 2008), then you know its over...... Hahaha
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The thing is though Clinton had arguments in 2008. Neither won a majority of pledged delegates and she actually had more votes than Obama too.
Oh, idk who runs Sanders' campaign but that person needs to learn basic math. Only two people have gotten delegates in this race so how is it possible neither of them reach the magic number in pledged delegates??? Like can you add and divide?
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Originally posted by RatedG²
The thing is though Clinton had arguments in 2008. Neither won a majority of pledged delegates and she actually had more votes than Obama too.
Oh, idk who runs Sanders' campaign but that person needs to learn basic math. Only two people have gotten delegates in this race so how is it possible neither of them reach the magic number in pledged delegates??? Like can you add and divide? |
It will be mathematically over on April 26th. Bookmark me.
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