[HeyMr.DJ]

Even a 20 point win for Bernie in Wisconsin would only help him gain like 10-12 delegates. Wisconsin isn't even as close to as important as its hyped up to be. It's only 88 delegates (1/3 as many as New York).

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Qwerty1234

Anyways it won't matter that Hillary gave speeches to some of the banks named in the Panama Papers. Giving speeches =/= endorsing tax evasion pratices.

I am more surprised that the media is not paying attention that she basically sold her vote for the Iraq war to Bush.

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But Marvin, I have a question for you..

If Bernie is elected - (let's pretend he actually has a shot at the nomination) - how do you expect him, in four years, get Congress to agree to his "bold" plans? He'd literally be asking them, in a short span of time, to move from the stance DEM/GOP with regard to economic and public policies to a more liberal and socialist country.

Do you think he will be able to form a strong enough coalition in Congress to back his plans? Remember that Obama managed to pass the ACA only after the DEMS had lost Senate in 2010 and figured they had nothing to lose.

(All this pointless though because he's not winning the nomination.)

He's already acknowledged that. He knows voters will have to vote the right people into office, and once he wins the primary he'll start talking about it more. He'll be able to motivate and energize people a lot more than Hillary ever will. All the stuff he's asking for (healthcare, education, wages) is something that's been talked about for a while and he's just pushing it to where it needs to be, instead of taking the slow "pragmatic" way.

Even if he doesn't get a majority in Congress, he can still pass executive orders and he will be the one appointing SC Justices.

[Qwerty1234]

Originally posted by HeyMr.DJ

Even a 20 point win for Bernie in Wisconsin would only help him gain like 10-12 delegates. Wisconsin isn't even as close to as important as its hyped up to be. It's only 88 delegates (1/3 as many as New York).

It would mean however that he would have won 7 out of the last 8.
Too bad for him that's it's too late to matter.
I think he could have defeated H.R.C if he had started campaiging hard back in 2015.

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Marvin

He's already acknowledged that. He knows voters will have to vote the right people into office, and once he wins the primary he'll start talking about it more. He'll be able to motivate and energize people a lot more than Hillary ever will. All the stuff he's asking for (healthcare, education, wages) is something that's been talked about for a while and he's just pushing it to where it needs to be, instead of taking the slow "pragmatic" way.

Bernie has not contributed to actually helping progressives and/or Democrats across the country win local elections, though. Hillary is much more devoted to getting more left politicians in government than Bernie has ever been.

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Bloo

Bernie has not contributed to actually helping progressives and/or Democrats across the country win local elections, though. Hillary is much more devoted to getting more left politicians in government than Bernie has ever been.

By attending fundraisers?

Bernie has to work on his own campaign first before he can start helping out politicians all over the country. Hillary doesn't, not to mention she has Bill AND Chelsea helping her.

[Rihab95]

I hope Hillary can keep it close today.

Not here for another Bernie landslide although it wouldn't change anything. It's just not a good look.

[Qwerty1234]

Originally posted by Marvin

He's already acknowledged that. He knows voters will have to vote the right people into office, and once he wins the primary he'll start talking about it more. He'll be able to motivate and energize people a lot more than Hillary ever will. All the stuff he's asking for (healthcare, education, wages) is something that's been talked about for a while and he's just pushing it to where it needs to be, instead of taking the slow "pragmatic" way.

Even if he doesn't get a majority in Congress, he can still pass executive orders and he will be the one appointing SC Justices.

He won't be able to "exectutive order" his economic plans. He will need congress for that. The power that he will have as President are very limited in that sense.

So all his goals are based on some sort of "political revolution"? And he'll tell us all about how he will realize this AFTER he win the primary? I'd like to know what someone is going to do BEFORE I vote for him, thank you very much.

Neither he or Hillary will be able to energize people like Obama did and he still couldn't help the DEM Senate/House in mid-elections years.

He can talk about it all he want but without a cohesive practical plan that is not dependent on some "revolution" (Which we haven't seen actually since the 2016 DEM numbers at the polls so far are way less than in 2008), he won't be able to do ****.

And like BLOO said above, the one candidate actually working to get more DEMS and progressives in the Senate is Hillary Clinton. Bernie wants to attack her at every turn for taking money from the rich and famous but she's the one making sure that whoever gets elected in November has support to work with in Congress. For all his "political revolution" talk, Bernie's only looking out for himself.

And that's no way to lead.
And it sure as hell ain't the way to govern.

[Qwerty1234]

Originally posted by Marvin

By attending fundraisers?

Bernie has to work on his own campaign first before he can start helping out politicians all over the country. Hillary doesn't, not to mention she has Bill AND Chelsea helping her.

How else is the DEM party supposed to compete with Karl Rove, the Koch brothers and their billionaire friends?

Well seems to me like you agree that Hillary is in a better position to compete in November than Bernie is. Why should we elect him and hope he will decide to help the DNC, when Hillary already has a head start?

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Marvin

By attending fundraisers?

Bernie has to work on his own campaign first before he can start helping out politicians all over the country. Hillary doesn't, not to mention she has Bill AND Chelsea helping her.

That doesn't matter. Hillary came to my university in 2014 to campaign for our senator election to help a democrat replace Mitch McConnell. Hillary has consistently shown commitment to actually getting other liberals elected into public office. Bernie hasn't.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Marvin

I don't care about the supporters, I'm talking about the candidate. Bernie hasn't done it. I see Hillary supporters call Bernie supporters lazy, ignorant, etc everyday.

This person is not just any supporter. He's a celebrity and is going around stumping for him. It's different than just being up on twitter insulting the other person's supporters

[HeyMr.DJ]

Originally posted by Bloo

That doesn't matter. Hillary came to my university in 2014 to campaign for our senator election to help a democrat replace Mitch McConnell. Hillary has consistently shown commitment to actually getting other liberals elected into public office. Bernie hasn't.

Ding ding ding. She's a true democrat, he's not. That's a fact. Also a reason why she's so popular among democratic voters--much more popular than he is.

[Qwerty1234]

Originally posted by Bloo

That doesn't matter. Hillary came to my university in 2014 to campaign for our senator election to help a democrat replace Mitch McConnell. Hillary has consistently shown commitment to actually getting other liberals elected into public office. Bernie hasn't.

And we all know why: his ass ain't a Democrat. He's an opportunistic man with some intersting ideas but he won't be able to govern. He doesn't have the support of the Democratic party. The way she's annihilating him in superdelegates makes that very very clear.

[RihRihGirrrl]

Bernie fundraising for the DEMs would essentially undermine his own campaign...how can he rail agains't Hillary and the DEM establishment taking money from Wall Street and then go out and stomp for the same down ticket candidates that are also taking money from wall street. That's the reason he hasn't done anything to help other Democrats thus far lol

Bernie seems to think that he can make these big sweeping changes by getting young people involved in the process of politics post elections but that's a pipe dream...he's gonna need a majority in Congress and that's not happening with a Republican led Congress

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Qwerty1234

He won't be able to "exectutive order" his economic plans. He will need congress for that. The power that he will have as President are very limited in that sense.

So all his goals are based on some sort of "political revolution"? And he'll tell us all about how he will realize this AFTER he win the primary? I'd like to know what someone is going to do BEFORE I vote for him, thank you very much.

Neither he or Hillary will be able to energize people like Obama did and he still couldn't help the DEM Senate/House in mid-elections years.

He can talk about it all he want but without a cohesive practical plan that is not dependent on some "revolution" (Which we haven't seen actually since the 2016 DEM numbers at the polls so far are way less than in 2008), he won't be able to do ****.

And like BLOO said above, the one candidate actually working to get more DEMS and progressives in the Senate is Hillary Clinton. Bernie wants to attack her at every turn for taking money from the rich and famous but she's the one making sure that whoever gets elected in November has support to work with in Congress. For all his "political revolution" talk, Bernie's only looking out for himself.

And that's no way to lead.
And it sure as hell ain't the way to govern.

Peolpe in WI are saying voter turnout is higher than it was in 2008 so I disagree.

Originally posted by Qwerty1234

How else is the DEM party supposed to compete with Karl Rove, the Koch brothers and their billionaire friends?

Well seems to me like you agree that Hillary is in a better position to compete in November than Bernie is. Why should we elect him and hope he will decide to help the DNC, when Hillary already has a head start?

No I don't agree. Hillary has about a ~20 year head start on him; that's not gonna make me vote for her.

Originally posted by Bloo

That doesn't matter. Hillary came to my university in 2014 to campaign for our senator election to help a democrat replace Mitch McConnell. Hillary has consistently shown commitment to actually getting other liberals elected into public office. Bernie hasn't.

And that didn't work This is what I mean when I say Hillary doesn't motivate people.

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Qwerty1234

And we all know why: his ass ain't a Democrat. He's an opportunistic man with some intersting ideas but he won't be able to govern. He doesn't have the support of the Democratic party. The way she's annihilating him in superdelegates makes that very very clear.

Of course the establishment doesn't support him But WHEN he wins the nomination, they WILL get behind him because they don't want a Republican in office.

And Bernie Sanders is a member of the Democratic Party so he is a Democrat!

[Eros]

Originally posted by Marvin

He's already acknowledged that. He knows voters will have to vote the right people into office, and once he wins the primary he'll start talking about it more. He'll be able to motivate and energize people a lot more than Hillary ever will. All the stuff he's asking for (healthcare, education, wages) is something that's been talked about for a while and he's just pushing it to where it needs to be, instead of taking the slow "pragmatic" way.

Even if he doesn't get a majority in Congress, he can still pass executive orders and he will be the one appointing SC Justices.

with no majority in congress then he's gonna need more than good luck to have these SC Justices confirmed by them to be appointed! there would have to be a tremendous amount of compromise, which our little bernster has shown he's not about that.

[Qwerty1234]

Originally posted by Marvin

Peolpe in WI are saying voter turnout is higher than it was in 2008 so I disagree.

WI doesn't matter when on average the turnout has been a drop off 30%.

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No I don't agree. Hillary has about a ~20 year head start on him; that's not gonna make me vote for her.

Hillary had the same number of years on Obama. Bernie and his supporters can pretend all they want but without billions of dollars to get his "message" out and get his "revolution" started he will get trampled by the GOP machine and take the US down with him.

And that didn't work This is what I mean when I say Hillary doesn't motivate people.

I think you're too set in your ways to listen to reason or argue logically. It's a shame really.

[Qwerty1234]

Originally posted by Eros

with no majority in congress then he's gonna need more than good luck to have these SC Justices confirmed by them to be appointed! there would have to be a tremendous amount of compromise, which our little bernster has shown he's not about that.

Brilliant point.

[RatedG²]

Hillary motivated 2.5 million more people than Bernie!

[Marvin]

Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl

Bernie fundraising for the DEMs would essentially undermine his own campaign...how can he rail agains't Hillary and the DEM establishment taking money from Wall Street and then go out and stomp for the same down ticket candidates that are also taking money from wall street. That's the reason he hasn't done anything to help other Democrats thus far lol

Exactly. But that doesn't mean he's not gonna do any fundraising. He's just going to be helping the correct ones, like Tim Canova for example. He doesn't like corrupt politicians.

Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl

Bernie seems to think that he can make these big sweeping changes by getting young people involved in the process of politics post elections but that's a pipe dream...he's gonna need a majority in Congress and that's not happening with a Republican led Congress

His pipe dream has worked so far, getting a lot of new people interested in politics and winning the youth vote by far. This "Republican Congress" talk is getting boring; he already knows about this.