[Newt]

Originally posted by Big Smoke

Case in point: the same folks demonizing Josh Duggar (as they should) were copping all sorts of pleas and excuses for Lena Dunham.

Those are different situations.

I've also never heard a positive comment towards Lena on this forum

[Aciid]

The problem with SJW is that they're not fighting for anything. The only thing they do is harass others and bash them online. They don't do anything to help the cause but fight back with agressive posts and comments. Not to mention the number of people who can't hold a discussion and defend themselves calling people homophobes, racists, trasphobic etc.

What are they doing outside of the internet to help? Nothing. They aren't even that passionate about it outside of boards or tumblr, and when it doesn't involve bashing someone popular or famous for their "wrong opinion".

Now, not everyone who fights is like this or should be stereotyped into it. But the people who are called SJW are most likely like this.

[Gossamer™]

Social justice workers are annoying and pointless.

[Elusive Chanteuse]

Originally posted by jax.

I've noticed on ATRL that people always just call someone a SJW, or a social justice warrior, when there are serious social issues at hand. Is this just an attempt to ignore the topic and facts given? Is it just to hide their ignorant views? Why is it that when

Trans issues
Women's rights
Racial discrimination
Religious discrimination

come up in discussion there is a plethora of people labeling people as an "SJW" and not being able to carry a conversation about the topic?

Discuss!

SJW can't carry convos most of the time either. Either you agree with them or you are anti-women, homophobic etc...

[Repo]

While some people do abuse it, the primary point of calling someone a SJW is when they make a sexuality/race/gender issue out of a situation where it is not present.

For example, just recently on Game of Thrones season 5, a significant character was raped on her wedding night (non-graphically, no nudity or anything, and most of the scene was the reaction of someone else present) by her psychopathic husband. Lots of "feminist" SJWs are exploding about how misogynistic the show is and how it mistreats female characters.

These same people, who were positively outraged that the character was raped on her wedding night (something that almost anyone watching the show knew was coming, considering her husband and what would be an in-character way for him to act) said absolutely nothing when, during the third season, the same character who raped the female one tortured a male one. For three seasons. He imposed various kinds of tortures, including castration and various emotional ones, with the purpose of completely dehumanizing him. However, none of them were around to complain about a male character being mistreated. For a whole season. Brutally. On the other hand, the one-minute rape scene has them declaring that the show utterly mistreats female characters while not abusing their male companions, that it's misogynistic, and that this is completely outrageous and offensive.

This is why SJW as a term exists. These people are creating a gender-issue in a situation where absolutely no gender-issues exist, at least on the creators part (one could very easily label these "feminists" as misandrists, given that they have absolutely no qualms about male characters suffering far worse, far more grievous, graphic, prolonged fates than the females, but anytime a female is mistreated, we need to take a moral stand for feminism)

Aside from the fact there is absolutely no care for misogyny, these people are also often caught up more with their made-up issues in movies/TV than real ones. You won't see them addressing or fighting against real injustices, but instead looking to fight something that is far less important or significant.

[Callisto.]

Originally posted by Repo

While some people do abuse it, the primary point of calling someone a SJW is when they make a sexuality/race/gender issue out of a situation where it is not present.

For example, just recently on Game of Thrones season 5, a significant character was raped on her wedding night (non-graphically, no nudity or anything, and most of the scene was the reaction of someone else present) by her psychopathic husband. Lots of "feminist" SJWs are exploding about how misogynistic the show is and how it mistreats female characters.

These same people, who were positively outraged that the character was raped on her wedding night (something that almost anyone watching the show knew was coming, considering her husband and what would be an in-character way for him to act) said absolutely nothing when, during the third season, the same character who raped the female one tortured a male one. For three seasons. He imposed various kinds of tortures, including castration and various emotional ones, with the purpose of completely dehumanizing him. However, none of them were around to complain about a male character being mistreated. For a whole season. Brutally. On the other hand, the one-minute rape scene has them declaring that the show utterly mistreats female characters while not abusing their male companions, that it's misogynistic, and that this is completely outrageous and offensive.

This is why SJW as a term exists. These people are creating a gender-issue in a situation where absolutely no gender-issues exist, at least on the creators part (one could very easily label these "feminists" as misandrists, given that they have absolutely no qualms about male characters suffering far worse, far more grievous, graphic, prolonged fates than the females, but anytime a female is mistreated, we need to take a moral stand for feminism)

Aside from the fact there is absolutely no care for misogyny, these people are also often caught up more with their made-up issues in movies/TV than real ones. You won't see them addressing or fighting against real injustices, but instead looking to fight something that is far less important or significant.

People were outraged because there was literally no reason for her to be raped. No one had a problem with those things that Ramsey did was from the book. Literally Cersei Daeneyrs and Sansa were not raped in the books but all three were raped in the tv show and literally their rapes meant nothing.

[Repo]

Originally posted by Callisto.

People were outraged because there was literally no reason for her to be raped. No one had a problem with those things that Ramsey did was from the book. Literally Cersei Daeneyrs and Sansa were not raped in the books but all three were raped in the tv show and literally their rapes meant nothing.

Then maybe you should actually read the book before, you know, running to it. Yes, Sansa was not raped in the book. Jeyne Poole, fake Arya Stark and Ramsay's book wife, who Sansa is taking over the role of WAS raped in the book. Not only that, but it was more graphic and, rather than watch, Theon Greyjoy joined in. So yes, it did happen in the books. And the reason why it happened was because it was a logical conclusion to the wedding night. It was staying in character. Also, another major reason this happens is because it's the main event that causes Theon to turn around and try to help Ramsay's victim escape. This is the first time he's ever seen Ramsay abuse Sansa, and it clearly unsettled him. So, in fact, there is plot relevance too.

Daenerys was raped in the books. She was going to have sex on their wedding night whether she wanted to or not. Waiting for the "yes" was essentially a courtesy, and she knew it too. Her thoughts and actions make it very clear she doesn't want to, and she only goes with it because she has no other options, much like Sansa in the show (both were crying, both were upset, both didn't want to, but neither fought it or actually said "No" because they knew the consequences would be severe)

The Cersei thing was a disaster, but it wasn't due to misogyny. Jaime's cousin also wasn't killed in the book, and I'm not crying misandry. We ALSO did not watch Theon get tortured for a full season in the books, it all occurred offscreen. And they could have implied it like the books did. I don't see you complaining about that either. So shut up.

[MP2K]

The word is so misused around here and like the go-to word to use when you get called out for saying something foul. It's to the point where you can't even show disbelief about something or if you think something is wrong and you're labeled a SJW. **** is getting out of hand.

[Callisto.]

d

Oh you were talking about Theon.
Fck him. He got what he deserved.

[Chyene]

Originally posted by jax.

But when gay rights come up, you never see people saying "ughhh social justice warrior!! go back 2 tumblr!!" hmmm...

Because some gays are selfish and don't care about other people. Don't generalise.

[Repo]

Originally posted by Callisto.

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Oh you were talking about Theon.
Fck him. He got what he deserved.

Err, hold it one second. I straight up prove you WRONG about Dany not being raped and Sansa's rape not being in the books, while they did add an entire season's worth of onscreen torture for Theon, and that is ALL you have to say? No "Oh, I guess it's not misogyny." Just ignore the stuff you don't like and try to make some point that has absolutely nothing to do with what the topic is (whether or not Theon deserved it has nothing at all to do with anything I said)

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a Social Justice Warrior, Callisto.

[Goosey]

Originally posted by Repo

Err, hold it one second. I straight up prove you WRONG about Dany not being raped and Sansa's rape not being in the books, while they did add an entire season's worth of onscreen torture for Theon, and that is ALL you have to say? No "Oh, I guess it's not misogyny." Just ignore the stuff you don't like and try to make some point that has absolutely nothing to do with what the topic is (whether or not Theon deserved it has nothing at all to do with anything I said)

But Theon is a traitor and he killed those two kids and burned their bodies anyways misogyny whaaaat?

The writers are allowed to change up some details to make a compelling story on the screen. It's not like the show is encouraging rape. Some of the world's classics revolve around rapes... the Rape of Persephone... the Rape of Lucretia... it stirs powerful emotions and that's why the writers included it in the last episode.

[Repo]

Originally posted by Goosey

But Theon is a traitor and he killed those two kids and burned their bodies anyways misogyny whaaaat?

The writers are allowed to change up some details to make a compelling story on the screen. It's not like the show is encouraging rape. Some of the world's classics revolve around rapes... the Rape of Persephone... the Rape of Lucretia... it stirs powerful emotions and that's why the writers included it in the last episode.

Theon is a prisoner of war held by the Starks against his will, so he can't actually be a traitor. But the first part of your plots is irrelevant anyways.

Anyways, please don't demean my argument. You're saying it's okay to use rape for pure shock value, which is in poor taste and weak writing (anyone can throw in a random rape scene to "move emotions" or whatever) The arguments against the Sansa one are that it's not in the book, which is false, and that it's a decisive factor in pushing forward an important arc for Theon, meaning there is plot relevance. Aside from that, it's simply a logical conclusion to how things would play out. It's keeping things in character. It would be jarring and unnatural if Ramsay was very kind to Sansa on their wedding night. The point is not that it stirs emotions and do not attempt to simplify my argument into that.

[Repo]

Originally posted by Goosey

But Theon is a traitor and he killed those two kids and burned their bodies anyways misogyny whaaaat?

The writers are allowed to change up some details to make a compelling story on the screen. It's not like the show is encouraging rape. Some of the world's classics revolve around rapes... the Rape of Persephone... the Rape of Lucretia... it stirs powerful emotions and that's why the writers included it in the last episode.

Theon is a prisoner of war held by the Starks against his will, so he can't actually be a traitor. But the first part of your plots is irrelevant anyways.

Anyways, please don't demean my argument. You're saying it's okay to use rape for pure shock value, which is in poor taste and weak writing (anyone can throw in a random rape scene to "move emotions" or whatever) The arguments against the Sansa one are that it's not in the book, which is false, and that it's a decisive factor in pushing forward an important arc for Theon, meaning there is plot relevance. Aside from that, it's simply a logical conclusion to how things would play out. It's keeping things in character. It would be jarring and unnatural if Ramsay was very kind to Sansa on their wedding night. The point is not that it stirs emotions and do not attempt to simplify my argument into that.

[Sombra]

Originally posted by Pagan Poetry

I don't mind when people speak out when there's actual, legitimate issues. However, I'm sick and tired of people claiming 'racism' when someone jokes or when someone provides real statistics and scientific evidence. Or people who make a big deal out of 'cultural appropriation'.

This.

[KhaleesiMiley]

Originally posted by Repo

While some people do abuse it, the primary point of calling someone a SJW is when they make a sexuality/race/gender issue out of a situation where it is not present.

For example, just recently on Game of Thrones season 5, a significant character was raped on her wedding night (non-graphically, no nudity or anything, and most of the scene was the reaction of someone else present) by her psychopathic husband. Lots of "feminist" SJWs are exploding about how misogynistic the show is and how it mistreats female characters.

These same people, who were positively outraged that the character was raped on her wedding night (something that almost anyone watching the show knew was coming, considering her husband and what would be an in-character way for him to act) said absolutely nothing when, during the third season, the same character who raped the female one tortured a male one. For three seasons. He imposed various kinds of tortures, including castration and various emotional ones, with the purpose of completely dehumanizing him. However, none of them were around to complain about a male character being mistreated. For a whole season. Brutally. On the other hand, the one-minute rape scene has them declaring that the show utterly mistreats female characters while not abusing their male companions, that it's misogynistic, and that this is completely outrageous and offensive.

This is why SJW as a term exists. These people are creating a gender-issue in a situation where absolutely no gender-issues exist, at least on the creators part (one could very easily label these "feminists" as misandrists, given that they have absolutely no qualms about male characters suffering far worse, far more grievous, graphic, prolonged fates than the females, but anytime a female is mistreated, we need to take a moral stand for feminism)

Aside from the fact there is absolutely no care for misogyny, these people are also often caught up more with their made-up issues in movies/TV than real ones. You won't see them addressing or fighting against real injustices, but instead looking to fight something that is far less important or significant.

Originally posted by Repo

Then maybe you should actually read the book before, you know, running to it. Yes, Sansa was not raped in the book. Jeyne Poole, fake Arya Stark and Ramsay's book wife, who Sansa is taking over the role of WAS raped in the book. Not only that, but it was more graphic and, rather than watch, Theon Greyjoy joined in. So yes, it did happen in the books. And the reason why it happened was because it was a logical conclusion to the wedding night. It was staying in character. Also, another major reason this happens is because it's the main event that causes Theon to turn around and try to help Ramsay's victim escape. This is the first time he's ever seen Ramsay abuse Sansa, and it clearly unsettled him. So, in fact, there is plot relevance too.

Daenerys was raped in the books. She was going to have sex on their wedding night whether she wanted to or not. Waiting for the "yes" was essentially a courtesy, and she knew it too. Her thoughts and actions make it very clear she doesn't want to, and she only goes with it because she has no other options, much like Sansa in the show (both were crying, both were upset, both didn't want to, but neither fought it or actually said "No" because they knew the consequences would be severe)

The Cersei thing was a disaster, but it wasn't due to misogyny. Jaime's cousin also wasn't killed in the book, and I'm not crying misandry. We ALSO did not watch Theon get tortured for a full season in the books, it all occurred offscreen. And they could have implied it like the books did. I don't see you complaining about that either. So shut up.

omg thank you!!!! this pissed me off so much because none of these people who were outraged when he raped Sansa even acknowledged that he tortured Theon for a whole season, but now they want to boycott the show like did they forget which show they were watching. they literally had a rape scene on the first episode of the show. also those same people who are calling the writers misogynistic are the same ones that ship Khaleesi with Khal Drogo when RAPED her. i don't care that she said yes, she is THIRTEEN in the books and he's a grown man but they forget all this.

[hooky]

I see "SJW"s as being the ones that think that straight, cis, white, male, or etc. are all bigoted, want them to pay for their "sins", want them to be of lesser status, and are basically extremists. NOT the people actually striving for equality.

[NX127]

Totally.

[DrownedWorld]

This one preppy rich girl in middle school/high school and her friends used to make fun of me every. single. day. in middle & high school. Making fun of my lisp (at the time), saying i talk like a girl, calling me ******, telling everyone how gay I was etc.

Fast forward 10 years later and she's your typical SJW hipster, thick rimmed glasses, protesting at political demonstrations (more like kewt photo ops), filling everyones Facebook feed with pro LGBT/SJW nonsense (stop the appropriation of gay culture!!! etc), shaving the side of her head and saying how she's "pansexual", etc cetera

Not saying they're all like this, but a major reason why I can't take them seriously is because of people like her their goal is more to make themselves look/feel good more than anything.

[Repo]

Originally posted by KhaleesiMiley

omg thank you!!!! this pissed me off so much because none of these people who were outraged when he raped Sansa even acknowledged that he tortured Theon for a whole season, but now they want to boycott the show like did they forget which show they were watching. they literally had a rape scene on the first episode of the show. also those same people who are calling the writers misogynistic are the same ones that ship Khaleesi with Khal Drogo when RAPED her. i don't care that she said yes, she is THIRTEEN in the books and he's a grown man but they forget all this.

Even ignoring the age thing (thirteen wasn't that abnormal of an age to be married off in Medieval Europe), Dany's wedding night went exactly like Sansa's. Both were in tears, both wanted to say no, both were visibly uncomfortable, and both chose to not resist due to intimidation of their male counterparts (which invalidates any "consent" Dany gave in th books. Consent received through intimidation and similar means is not considered consent. Ever) It's also worth noting that Dany had NO say in getting married while Sansa did.

And yeah. Dany/Drogo is total Stockholm syndrome.

And yeah, anyone whining about Sansa's rape which was in the books and is a pivotal moment for Theon's arc needs to shut up when they're cool with a whole season's worth of male torture being added. In fact, the show as a whole is far more abusive towards male characters than female ones. They die more, and their deaths are more violent. And they're tortured more. The people turning this into a misogyny issue are literally the definition of SJWs, especially since they can't get their own facts correct.