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Discussion: Labeling Someone an "SJW": Attempt to Ignore Issue at Hand?
Member Since: 5/4/2012
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
No one (well me, anyway) likes Social Justice Warriors for 2 main reasons.
1. Theyre hypocrites. I mean we all are hypocrites, but they seem to put themselves above hypocrisy seeing how they incessantly preach to people about what's right (or, what they think it's right) While either a) giving another "group" a pass or b) doing it themselves or c) support someone else doing the exact same thing that theyre against, but looking the other way
2. In the grand scheme of things, they dont do anything but harass people.
I honest to God think that's its a phase in someone's life, like puberty or something, becauase most of the time it's teenagers and young adults that do this ****. Anyone over thirty still harassing people and playing holier than thou either profit off it directly or are mentally ill.
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Also, it can be argued that calling someone sexist/racist whatever-ist/phobic is a tactic SJW's use ignore a topic, which goes back to point number 1
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Member Since: 5/7/2011
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This is what happens when everything is treated with the same level of reaction regardless of what the thing actually was. It gets boring, dilutes the meaning of the anger and makes your point less focused.
If you're shouting in one thread about how racist someone is for going on a murder spree because he hates that race then go into another topic to declare Katy Perry as the biggest racist ever because she likes to go to Japanese nail salons eyes are going to be rolling.
Obviously an exaggerated example (No one with a braincell would argue against the first point, and I assume the issue with the second was the use of "Japanese-y"), but you get the point. You can't treat everything like it is the biggest issue to ever face mankind or people aren't going to take you seriously when the issue actually is a big problem. Genuine ignorance shouldn't be treated as an equal to actual hatred - especially online where people from many different cultures with many different backgrounds and experiences meet.
So, basically, you only see people dismiss SJWs in topics where someone has acknowledged a foreign culture because they're so used to people overreacting to the smallest things. Painting yourself shiny and purple or having a video set in a place we all have common ancestry (Ancient Egypt) is not, and never will be, on the same level as something like Black face.
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I cannot disagree 
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Quote:
Originally posted by Big Smoke
No one (well me, anyway) likes Social Justice Warriors for 2 main reasons.
1. Theyre hypocrites. I mean we all are hypocrites, but they seem to put themselves above hypocrisy seeing how they incessantly preach to people about what's right (or, what they think it's right) While either a) giving another "group" a pass or b) doing it themselves or c) support someone else doing the exact same thing that theyre against, but looking the other way
2. In the grand scheme of things, they dont do anything but harass people.
I honest to God think that's its a phase in someone's life, like puberty or something, becauase most of the time it's teenagers and young adults that do this ****. Anyone over thirty still harassing people and playing holier than thou either profit off it directly or are mentally ill.
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+ your other post: I agree.
Lol @ the Anita Shitstain dig.
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Member Since: 11/7/2011
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in that latest thread i saw a lot people ignoring those making points of how the posts were racist and just saying "ugh sjws go back 2 tumblr!  "
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Not really, people tend to do it in disconnect from an actual conversation; most people just call them that when complaining about them. They aren't referring to the campaigners as a whole, just the crazy ones who don't know limits.
If someone is being respectful in their debate and they get called a SJW that's just trying to ignore the issue, but if they're being a **** about it then I don't really see the problem, if you're gonna be rude to people then expect people to be rude back. It doesn't matter why, if you push someone expect resistance.
The people who are polite, the people who are campaigning for real change, they aren't the SJWs.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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they don't realize that they are SJWs. If you fight for gay rights (which I assume that the majority of this site does, at the very least for white cis males) then you are an SJW.
They look rather foolish trying to distance themselves from it
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by RatedG²
they don't realize that they are SJWs. If you fight for gay rights (which I assume that the majority of this site does, at the very least for white cis males) then you are an SJW.
They look rather foolish trying to distance themselves from it
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SJW is almost exclusively used to refer to the more extreme ones, though.
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Member Since: 6/23/2010
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Originally posted by Trent W
No one in the real physical world takes a SJW seriously
All they got is a computer and tumblr, but the impact is non-existent in the real world and they make no difference on it. The truth is I even enjoy to see that Iggy is somewhat relevant because she really got under their skin  |
and poor iggy now she looks like a blow up doll, a wax figure etc 
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Dilettante
Not really, people tend to do it in disconnect from an actual conversation; most people just call them that when complaining about them. They aren't referring to the campaigners as a whole, just the crazy ones who don't know limits.
If someone is being respectful in their debate and they get called a SJW that's just trying to ignore the issue, but if they're being a **** about it then I don't really see the problem, if you're gonna be rude to people then expect people to be rude back. It doesn't matter why, if you push someone expect resistance.
The people who are polite, the people who are campaigning for real change, they aren't the SJWs. |
This is just not true. In my experience, people are dismissed as SJWs because of their argument, not because of their delivery. Especially on ATRL.
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=791463&page=7
Right off the bat people are screaming "She's obviously on tumblr!!11!" "SJWs!!!". It doesn't matter how respectfully or informatively you make your case.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by jax.
But when gay rights come up, you never see people saying "ughhh social justice warrior!! go back 2 tumblr!!" hmmm... |
Read them!
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Dilettante
SJW is almost exclusively used to refer to the more extreme ones, though.
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And he's saying that it shouldn't be & he's right 
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Originally posted by Javan
This is just not true. In my experience, people are dismissed as SJWs because of their argument, not because of their delivery. Especially on ATRL.
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=791463&page=7
Right off the bat people are screaming "She's obviously on tumblr!!11!" "SJWs!!!". It doesn't matter how respectfully or informatively you make your case. |
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Callout culture is a mess though and a lot of SJWs are tragic.
They are usually mean people and channel that into being heavily against issues so they look like the good person.
Like I am so anti-racist, pro gay rights and a trans supporter but sometimes people need to be educated in a non agressive way.
I work with a polyamorous non-binary person and they are literally one of the meanest people I have ever met in my life, not matter how many issues they support.
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
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Quote:
Originally posted by Big Smoke
No one (well me, anyway) likes Social Justice Warriors for 2 main reasons.
1. Theyre hypocrites. I mean we all are hypocrites, but they seem to put themselves above hypocrisy seeing how they incessantly preach to people about what's right (or, what they think it's right) While either a) giving another "group" a pass or b) doing it themselves or c) support someone else doing the exact same thing that theyre against, but looking the other way
2. In the grand scheme of things, they dont do anything but harass people.
I honest to God think that's its a phase in someone's life, like puberty or something, becauase most of the time it's teenagers and young adults that do this ****. Anyone over thirty still harassing people and playing holier than thou either profit off it directly or are mentally ill.
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Case in point: the same folks demonizing Josh Duggar (as they should) were copping all sorts of pleas and excuses for Lena Dunham.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by jax.
"SJW" itself isn't the issue. I'm perfectly fine with being called an SJW. It's the connotation that's brought with it as "oversensitive" and "too-PC."
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the fact of the matter is, in the midst of whatever it is ya'll are trying to fight for / against, ya'll often times convolute the issue at hand with broken and one-sided logic
there are ways to care about something without coming off as a condescending piece of **** and that's all i really see from people i classify as 'social justice warriors'... like, that title wouldn't even be a thing if a lot of other people didn't feel the same way
i care about racism in this country, i care about trans rights / issues, i care about feminism and equality but i also realize it's really not up to me or my damn business to change anyone's mind about that **** because the people in my life who i associate with are already all pretty much educated. if the world saw things from a more individualist perspective and just left people tf alone and let them live their damn lives, we wouldn't even need ya'll. that's how i see it and that's how i live
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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So sad the hive is the majority of this thread. Tina would disown all of you. You're all clearly Matthew's side.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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also social justice warriors only exist because of the advent of the internet. ya'll were called hippies back in the day, except they actually went out and did ****, didn't just post essays from behind a computer keyboard covered in Cheetos dust and Pepsi stains
everyone has a loud ass opinion on the internet, and everyone seems to think they're a 6ft10 linebacker on steroids the way they argue and buck up to people online... and lol @ whoever said 'well you don't see people being labeled as SJW when it comes to gay rights' you sound super uneducated. the gay rights movement has been progressing since long before Stonewall even, and those mfers REALLY went out and did ****; rallied, rioted, protested for their spot in this world. same thing with the Civil Rights movement. both those movements perfected the way they approached the situation long before the internet was a thing, which makes me sad for the Trans rights movement being that it's relatively new in the grand scheme of things because they're going about it the wrong way. and feminism is a movement based on the fluidity of the definition of feminism (or at least, it historically has been) so they obviously incorporate current technologies / methodologies as much as possible as well.
people take things on the internet either entirely too seriously or not seriously at all, so arguing so fervently about some of these issues ends up being a moot point because it gets lost and clouded in the mindless wall of text that makes up the internet (much like this point)
tl;dr: social justice via the internet is the laziest form of activism around. it literally boils down to action speaking louder than words (in this case, text)
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Member Since: 12/9/2009
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Originally posted by Trent W
I already explained myself, good night!
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Exhibit A of users complaining about SJWs without actually having any substance to their argument pfffff
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Member Since: 8/24/2008
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People spend more time telling people how to react to oppression than trying to fight it.
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