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Video Clip: Macklemore on HOT 97; talks about race, Azealia/Iggy, etc.
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Originally posted by Pandantic
That first sentence is exactly what I'm talking about. You don't know her music properly or what her intention is. Idk what your point in the middle is and of course I've seen the freestyle video. It's been out for like a year, people are only checking it out now. Iggy has never been one to freestyle and has never claimed to either. They put her on the spot and she was obviously nervous. Anyway, none of what you said is relevant to Iggy's place in the culture.
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You don't know hip hop PERIOD. You're not a real rapper if you can't freestyle. That's like being a boxer that can't box. She can't demand respect when asked to show her skill, and just spit a verse from her album. That wasn't her being nervous. Nope, Ti hollered uh oh as soon as Sway said it. It was evident that TI was just as nervous as Iggy. That fool was back there looking like a nervous pageant mom on Toddlers and Tiaras. Iggy can't rock the mic
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Originally posted by Mr.Fenty
that's what he said about Iggy:
"You need to know your place in the culture. Are you contributing or are you taking? Are you using it for your own advantage or are you contributing to the culture...I think it's clear who has contributed and clear who is taking. I'm not gonna comment on Iggy in that regard but what I will say is I saw a tweet it was something along the lines of "Hip-Hop was birthed out of the civil rights movement" This is a culture that came from oppression that came from white oppression, it was the by product of that. We can say that we've evolved and that we've come along way since the late 70s and early 80s but (evidence suggests) that we haven't. So you can't disregard that.
Just because there's been more white rappers, just because there's been more successful white rappers, you cannot disregard where this culture came from and our place in it as white people."
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This is absolutely fair.
The beginning part is why I loved Iggy back in the mixtape days. Ignorant Art and Trapgold actually felt like a contribution to hip-hop. Her use of dirty electronic music felt refreshing. It wasn't crazy melodic or watered down where it was more pop than anything else. It was new. It was exciting. It is what TNC should have been. Unfortunately, I think she missed the train for that to be a contribution in the mainstream world.
I do think that Iggy would even agree with the other comments in that statement. She may just not know how to express it without disregarding everything she has done to get here...
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Always loved Mack, he's self aware and very intelligent can't wait for the new record. As for the Iggy, I like her music but most of what people say about her is true, she can't really rap and if she could've found success elsewhere (Pop) she probably wouldn't even care about Hip-Hop or the culture as a whole. In order to last in this industry she needs to have some sort of talent to fall back in which she really doesn't. I feel bad for her but most of what people are saying is true.
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Originally posted by Pandantic
Lots of tea. 95% of the Azealia/Iggy discussion was correct. Iggy is handling the situation badly. She needs to respect the Urban community and those who are taking issue to her success. But REGARDLESS of that, she is still a talented woman that has worked very hard to get where she is today. She has been trying in America since she was 16. That's almost as long as Macklemore, and as usual that part goes completely disregarded. People don't want to see her as talented, so they can easily label her as bad without having a proper understanding of her music. She feels very attacked in this situation and she feels the need to defend herself. She might be giving off bad impressions but she has no malicious intent. Iggy has genuine love for rap and I sympathize for what she's having to deal with (as a stan of hers). I hope that at some point she will acknowledge her privilege and as the guys said, LISTEN to what people are telling her.
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Thank you so much for this wonderful post 
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Originally posted by Ratchet1
You don't know hip hop PERIOD. You're not a real rapper if you can't freestyle. That's like being a boxer that can't box. She can't demand respect when asked to show her skill, and just spit a verse from her album. That wasn't her being nervous. Nope, Ti hollered uh oh as soon as Sway said it. It was evident that TI was just as nervous as Iggy. That fool was back there looking like a nervous pageant mom on Toddlers and Tiaras. Iggy can't rock the mic
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Fine, not being able to freestyle is a flaw. I'm sure there's plenty of others out there who can't either. Even Nicki has used an old verse as a "freestyle" before. But this still isn't something that's offensive to the Urban community.
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Originally posted by Ratchet1
You don't know hip hop PERIOD. You're not a real rapper if you can't freestyle. That's like being a boxer that can't box. She can't demand respect when asked to show her skill, and just spit a verse from her album. That wasn't her being nervous. Nope, Ti hollered uh oh as soon as Sway said it. It was evident that TI was just as nervous as Iggy. That fool was back there looking like a nervous pageant mom on Toddlers and Tiaras. Iggy can't rock the mic
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Not knowing how to freestyle is not a big deal in the Hip Hop community. If you go back to Jay-Z's Rap City freestyle in 2003, he "freestyled" what was later found out to be Public Service Announcement. Drake is not a good freestyler. Many people in Hip Hop aren't good freestylers and would never be caught dead in the ring. People are just finding every little thing to discredit Iggy now as if they didn't know from the beginning that she wasn't a talented rapper. Lol. This bandwagon hate thing needs to end.
And Macklemore knows how to NOT ruffle the black community's feathers. Good for him.
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Originally posted by Ivan_brit
They talk about Iggy like 100 times! she is actually creating a movement,
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In before Azealia still "drags" him on Twitter anyway.
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Macklemore is a smart guy, he spoke a lot of truth. I always liked him and liked some songs though I was still pissed he took those rap Grammys from Kendrick.
What he said about white privilege and race in America stood out. White people are afraid to discuss it and would rather choose to believe we're post racial when its clearly not the case. We need to speak openly but white people also need to learn to listen because they aren't experiencing it. When do you get sick of being silent about the injustices POC live in? Its basically two Americas.
Rappers like Macklemore, Eminem, Mac Miller imo contribute to the culture. They are being themselves, rapping in their own way about their own experiences. Iggy is taking, you cant take her seriously. She's using an accent separate from her own, essentially "copying" what she was brought up listening to because she knows it sells. Which is why people dont like her because its not authentic and she refuses to acknowledge any of this. She instead brushes people off at haters when people have legitimate reasons to be frustrated with her white privilege and fake persona
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Originally posted by Marla Singer
In before Azealia still "drags" him on Twitter anyway.
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Where does he talk about ab?
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Originally posted by Azealia Banks
Where does he talk about ab?
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27min
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Originally posted by stronger23
And how exactly has he contributed? I mean he pretty much took Kendrick lamars grammys last year...
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He didn't "take" anything from Kendrick. The old white Grammy voters gave him that award because he's white and he knows that. He even admitted publicly after the show that Kendrick deserved it over him. Are you seriously expecting him to refuse the award or something?
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Originally posted by sal
Yes, Iggy has white privilege but that's not the reason Azealia didn't make it earlier. Azealia HAD a hit and that was 212, she then decided to push her album back by 2 years. She lost fans by insulting their other idols, and constantly postponing her album. Iggy released some very mainstream pop songs, with memorable videos. Azealia's album is not mainstream and not appealing to everyone. If she made an album full of 212's and promoted her singles with cinematic videos she would be more famous now too. It's quite logical that Iggy got famous more quickly but I do agree it's also because she's white.
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I see what you're saying, but Azealia didn't decide to push her own album back. Her label kept putting her on the backburner which is why she was lobbying so hard to get them to drop her/release her from her contract. Now that BWET is finally out, it's actually getting great reviews from critics and fans alike. If the label had just released it when they were supposed to, maybe she could have blown up a long time ago. 
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
Always loved Mack, he's self aware and very intelligent can't wait for the new record. As for the Iggy, I like her music but most of what people say about her is true, she can't really rap and if she could've found success elsewhere (Pop) she probably wouldn't even care about Hip-Hop or the culture as a whole. In order to last in this industry she needs to have some sort of talent to fall back in which she really doesn't. I feel bad for her but most of what people are saying is true.
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Agree completely.  This is why I always feel the need to stick up for Macklemore when people try to place him in the same boat as Iggy. They may both be white rappers riding high off of their white privilege but that's really where the similarities end. Mack is actually knowledgeable about the hip hop community and he always makes it a point to show his respect for the black community and the struggle we've been through. Rappers like him and Em are accepted by the black community because of their understanding of our struggle. Iggy is the complete opposite of that. She (and a lot of white people in general) needs to stop responding to criticism by screaming "hater!! race card!!" and actually open her ears and listen.
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This is such a great interview. Glad to see that Macklemore is socially conscious. This interview is especially good for the people who couldn't see past Azealia's antics and recognize the validity of her points.
Also happy to see Ebro revising his "put it in the music" stance.
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Originally posted by sal
Yes, Iggy has white privilege but that's not the reason Azealia didn't make it earlier. Azealia HAD a hit and that was 212, she then decided to push her album back by 2 years. She lost fans by insulting their other idols, and constantly postponing her album. Iggy released some very mainstream pop songs, with memorable videos. Azealia's album is not mainstream and not appealing to everyone. If she made an album full of 212's and promoted her singles with cinematic videos she would be more famous now too. It's quite logical that Iggy got famous more quickly but I do agree it's also because she's white.
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I'm sorry what? Pretty sure that it was the old white men that tried to commercialize all her music! She got away with releasing Fantasea b/c her label didn't know about it!
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Originally posted by Save My Life
I feel like he explained what Azealia was trying to say a lot more clearer and broader.
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Maybe more clear but definitely not broader, in a sense. I think what Azealia said was clouded by the punches she threw at T.I, also when she called Iggy "not excellent", people skipped through the entire 'appropriation' point(s) and got a headline for their blog in relation to Azealia's 'beef'. There's really no other way to explain how she feels just by letting someone of a different color talk about what he thinks. As for broader, they really just held on to the ideas of what a white male rapper thinks of the whole situation. But I do respect Macklemore a lot for this.
I hope people watch this interview also so that they can get more of a grasp on Azealia's frustrations and not be distracted by her scalping T.I. alone. Ebro & Rosenberg mentioned a bunch of the great appropriation examples and Macklemore also brings up great 'white privilege' examples too.
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I'm still waiting for Azealia to retaliate with "burn that mother****er down" and "kill all white men" mess
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He legit looks like mayonnaise.
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Originally posted by Pandantic
Lots of tea. 95% of the Azealia/Iggy discussion was correct. Iggy is handling the situation badly. She needs to respect the Urban community and those who are taking issue to her success. But REGARDLESS of that, she is still a talented woman that has worked very hard to get where she is today. She has been trying in America since she was 16. That's almost as long as Macklemore, and as usual that part goes completely disregarded. People don't want to see her as talented, so they can easily label her as bad without having a proper understanding of her music. She feels very attacked in this situation and she feels the need to defend herself. She might be giving off bad impressions but she has no malicious intent. Iggy has genuine love for rap and I sympathize for what she's having to deal with (as a stan of hers). I hope that at some point she will acknowledge her privilege and as the guys said, LISTEN to what people are telling her.
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Perfectly said
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