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Discussion: #BlackDon'tCrack (Unless it's Chapped)
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Back to women and rape, like when women get mad no believes they were raped it's like.....duh. Why would anyone believe someone was raped without evidence? Women shouldn't be called liars, but they shouldn't be believed either.
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There is a biological urge to have sex, but not to rape.
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"But they shouldn't be believed either"
Oh God.
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Originally posted by Maiko
The second paragraph is great. Personally, I feel that females should be protected, just like children should be protected. But this is something with a biological basis and not just because of "society".
I do not believe that humans have transcended their biology as a whole. So I'll need more from you regarding that. We all are largely affected by biological responses like any other animal. For us to believe that we are so much above biological responses because of our perceived cognitive advantage is pretty arrogant.
I do however believe, that our desire to protect our women is a result of our heightened cognitive ability, because that is somewhat inconsistent with what happens in nature.
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I get what your saying. But the point is women don't take these precautions because "My biology as a woman makes me prone to attacks from hyperaggressive males." They take precautions because "As a woman, it's my fault if I get raped and so I have to take steps to prevent this from happening to me." It's not biology causing women to do this, it's society putting blaming and shaming the victim instead of focusing on the aggressor.
We have transcended animal nature enough to where women should be able to dress in a cute little thing and have a merry time at a club and not feel responsible if a man takes advantage of her. We've transcended animal nature enough that we shouldn't be teaching girls that it's their fault instead of teaching boys that it's their fault.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
There is a biological urge to have sex, but not to rape.
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Does biology care for consent?
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Back to women and rape, like when women get mad no believes they were raped it's like.....duh. Why would anyone believe someone was raped without evidence? Women shouldn't be called liars, but they shouldn't be believed either.
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That's what I'm sayin tho.
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Originally posted by Doc
"But they shouldn't be believed either"
Oh God.
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I mean it sounds harsh, but basically means innocent until proven guilty  .
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
There is a biological urge to have sex, but not to rape.
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I certainly never said that there is a biological basis for rape. But male sexual aggression is common in all mammals, which is why I feel that there is a need for females to take protective measures in modern society. No matter how much "mental training" we do, I do not feel that we are above our biology.
I mean, does your heart stop beating and you live, just because of your 'human' cognitive ability?
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Originally posted by Maiko
I do not believe that a males desire to protect, hunt, and etc, just like a woman's natural ability to take care of children, is completely a bi-product of societal constructs.
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This is a really good point.
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Originally posted by Javan
Does biology care for consent?
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The brain counts for biology too right? Doesn't it care about consent?
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Originally posted by Doc
I get what your saying. But the point is women don't take these precautions because "My biology as a woman makes me prone to attacks from hyperaggressive males." They take precautions because "As a woman, it's my fault if I get raped and so I have to take steps to prevent this from happening to me." It's not biology causing women to do this, it's society putting blaming and shaming the victim instead of focusing on the aggressor.
We have transcended animal nature enough to where women should be able to dress in a cute little thing and have a merry time at a club and not feel responsible if a man takes advantage of her. We've transcended animal nature enough that we shouldn't be teaching girls that it's their fault instead of teaching boys that it's their fault.
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I thought they took precautions because they don't want to get raped or attacked by some disgusting guy in the first place,
not because of what the judicial system says.
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Originally posted by Javan
I mean it sounds harsh, but basically means innocent until proven guilty . |
It's like me telling someone Javan robbed a store, and then getting mad no one believes me.
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Originally posted by Doc
"But they shouldn't be believed either"
Oh God.
I get what your saying. But the point is women don't take these precautions because "My biology as a woman makes me prone to attacks from hyperaggressive males." They take precautions because "As a woman, it's my fault if I get raped and so I have to take steps to prevent this from happening to me." It's not biology causing women to do this, it's society putting blaming and shaming the victim instead of focusing on the aggressor.
We have transcended animal nature enough to where women should be able to dress in a cute little thing and have a merry time at a club and not feel responsible if a man takes advantage of her. We've transcended animal nature enough that we shouldn't be teaching girls that it's their fault instead of teaching boys that it's their fault.
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The point has been put to me before that we advise people to take precautions (within reason) to prevent other crimes but we have different attitudes towards rape. Like it would be acceptable for someone to advise you not leave expensive items in plain view within your car, otherwise you may be robbed. That wouldn't be deemed as offensive. But it would be offensive to advise a woman regarding certain precautions. That would be victim blaming. Some find that hypocritical. What do you think? 
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Originally posted by Javan
The point has been put to me before that we advise people to take precautions (within reason) to prevent other crimes but we have different attitudes towards rape. Like it would be acceptable for someone to advise you not leave expensive items in plain view within your car, otherwise you may be robbed. That wouldn't be deemed as offensive. But it would be offensive to advise a woman regarding certain precautions. That would be victim blaming. Some find that hypocritical. What do you think? |
Dressing a certain way =/= leaving valuable items in plain view. Is there also a biological urge to steal?
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Originally posted by Maiko
I do not believe that a males desire to protect, hunt, and etc, just like a woman's natural ability to take care of children, is completely a bi-product of societal constructs.
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Right, it's the opposite.
Society has taken these basic animal instincts and built upon them social constructs so misogynistic and oppressive to women that they literally had to fight to regain rights they should've have always had.
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Personally, I'm severely attracted to all types of femininity, that includes sexy women, and sexy feminine guys. If you walk in front of me in some sexually provocative attire, not only is my **** gonna get hard as a result of some biological response, but I'm gonna probably try to talk to you. It is my nature. I do not have an urge to "rape" anyone, but I am certainly an aggressor when it comes to finding a mate.
Some guys cannot control this urge, and it becomes something else because of other mental processes. This is why I think women should be protected.
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Originally posted by Doc
Right, it's the opposite.
Society has taken these basic animal instincts and built upon them social constructs so misogynistic and oppressive to women that they literally had to fight to regain rights they should've have always had.
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I agree. I feel that society has only enhanced, to the point of handicap, something that was already naturally in place.
Women's rights are only a thing of the past 100 years, so of course, we are still working out kinks...getting there.
But let me tell you... I don't know how much you date, but most women are not complaining about the way things are in the construct 
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Speaking of sexually dressed females, by "My Everything" the latest album by sexy singer Ariana Grande.
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Originally posted by Maiko
Some guys cannot control this urge, and it becomes something else because of other mental processes. This is why I think women should be protected.
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All men have the ability to control their urges. If they haven't learned then society has taught them wrong. Its not like all men are just out in the wild(public) and get this urge to rape a girl. Most rapes happen with someone you know
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But let me tell you... I don't know how much you date, but most women are not complaining about the way things are in the construct |
Which women aren't complaining? What are you talking about 
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