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Poll: More iconic career: Mariah vs Whitney
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Mariah Carey
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Whitney Houston
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Mariah. More hits and the whole being alive thing works in her advantage too. She has a chance to score more hits.
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Originally posted by Addicted_
The bolded ones aren't remembered sadly, tbh
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Yes they are. 
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Originally posted by Chimier
Once again, Whitney's whole family was NOT in the music recording business. Her mother and cousins Dee Dee and Dionne were. Having connections is one thing, making the MOST of them is another. Whitney had the talent, the drive, the determination, and she had good guidance. Mariah had good guidance and connections in the form of Brenda K. Starr.
IDK where you get this lie that Whitney was some rich girl. She wasn't. She was privileged enough to get up close to great singers and superstars back then because her mother was a background singer, but she didn't get her background singing jobs, her nightclub dates because she was Cissy's daughter. She got those things because of her talent. If she wasn't able to sing, who her mother was would've been irrelevant because she lacked the goods.
This doesn't even make ANY sense LMFAOOOO! Those "elite black artists" STILL had to break down barriers to get themselves to where they were and they STILL were not on par with their white counterparts. Gosh, do you know anything about music history?
Whitney's album was embraced by EVERYONE because she had crossover APPEAL, not because she was "surrounded by the elite of black artists". What kinda logic....
Cissy was a very successful BACKGROUND singer. Her solo career didn't take off at all. And what does any of that have to do with Whitney's talents and accomplishments? What does Cissy being a singer have to do with Whitney being a black female artist surpassing the Beatles' records of consecutive #1s?
Leontyne Price is a COUSIN, not an aunt. And the classical world and the popular music world are UNIVERSES apart LMFAOOO! Leontyne's accomplishments have no bearing on the popular music world. They didn't give Whitney her talent. They didn't sell her records. So your point is nonsensical.
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Who said someone of all these gave Whitney's talent?Who doubted her talent right from the start? Why don't you just admit that for Mariah it was harder to become a successful recording artist instead of trying to warp things around. So she had Cissy, Dionne ,Aretha (the biggest of all the black artists as her godmother),Leontyne in her family and it was really harder for her than Mariah? Ok I am done here. The difference between you and me is that I am no stan of both and I love Whitney's voice more than Mariah's. That proves who is more objective here.
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Originally posted by Marioland
Who said someone of all these gave Whitney's talent?Who doubted her talent right from the start? Why don't you just admit that for Mariah it was harder to become a successful recording artist instead of trying to warp things around. So she had Cissy, Dionne ,Aretha (the biggest of all the black artists as her godmother),Leontyne in her family and it was really harder for her than Mariah? Ok I am done here. The difference between you and me is that I am no stan of both and I love Whitney's voice more than Mariah's. That proves who is more objective here.
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What? Because this isn't about "who was it harder for to break into the business". Whitney could've been related to the biggest stars on the planet. They are not the reason she got a record deal, got extreme success and accomplished great things.
Who one is related to, the difficult path to stardom...that's important when telling their STORY, not when talking about their career.
Mariah struggling more to break into the business doesn't make her iconic. Mariah is iconic because of her accomplishments in her FIELD and her influence, not because she was homeless for a time with no money, not because she had her dogs poisoned, or because she was poor and moved around a lot, or because her family's car tires got slashed, or because her parents struggled being an interracial couple and broke up when she was 3.
In the same vein, Whitney is iconic because of her influence and her accomplishments, which have great cultural and musical value.
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Originally posted by Addicted_
The bolded ones aren't remembered sadly, tbh
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Yes they are
Without You was MASSIVE in Europe it DESTROYED the charts and is still played to this day
Always Be My Baby is a classic, it still gets great recurrent airplay
We Belong Together is remembered to this day, it was the biggest hit of the last decade and is still played A LOT
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Originally posted by Bríseis
 
I have told X times that Mariah is not as popular where I live. And please stop, you have no idea how stupid you sound right now.
Patti is an iconic figure in rock and punk scene, so its quite hard to not notice her when you are a fan of that genre like I am. Patti is less known than Mariah, sure.
But firstly, I havent learned about Patti from radio.
Secondly, Im not a fan of R&B, so I wouldnt look for Mariah songs on net like I have looked for Pattis, so your arguments are meaningless. |
Ok you are being aggressive and you don't even get my points of view.You think I attack Patti Smith as an artist or I compare her popularity with Mariah's.PLEASE READ THIS: In my knowledge and my experience whoever likes indie,alternative and punk actually is more aware of the more commercial artists such as Mariah. I don't like punk rock (only alternative rock) but I do know "dancing barefoot" and "because the night". And she is not even that commercial as Mariah. See? 2 classics already. How is it possible for Mariah to have 1 classic only in your knowledge?
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Originally posted by Chimier
What? Because this isn't about "who was it harder for to break into the business". Whitney could've been related to the biggest stars on the planet. They are not the reason she got a record deal, got extreme success and accomplished great things.
Who one is related to, the difficult path to stardom...that's important when telling their STORY, not when talking about their career.
Mariah struggling more to break into the business doesn't make her iconic. Mariah is iconic because of her accomplishments in her FIELD and her influence, not because she was homeless for a time with no money, not because she had her dogs poisoned, or because she was poor and moved around a lot, or because her family's car tires got slashed, or because her parents struggled being an interracial couple and broke up when she was 3.
In the same vein, Whitney is iconic because of her influence and her accomplishments, which have great cultural and musical value.
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I just answered to people that were stating that it was harder for Whitney to break through or achieve things cause of her skin colour. There was a debate by itself on that matter. It has no connection to the "iconic" part.
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Originally posted by Marioland
I just answered to people that were stating that it was harder for Whitney to break through cause of her skin colour. There was a debate by itself on that matter. It has no connection to the "iconic" part.
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It WAS harder for Whitney to break through/cross over due to her skin color. The success was huge, but the actual act of crossing over wasn't easy. So you're wrong there.
Whitney's success paved the way for various groups of people, in particular R&B, black and female artists, thus Mariah is included in that.
Mariah's breaking into the BUSINESS might've been more difficult, but once she was in, the blueprint by Whitney Houston was already laid down and set, and it was utilized by Tommy for Mariah.
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Originally posted by Chimier
It WAS harder for Whitney to break through/cross over due to her skin color. The success was huge, but the actual act of crossing over wasn't easy. So you're wrong there.
Whitney's success paved the way for various groups of people, in particular R&B, black and female artists, thus Mariah is included in that.
Mariah's breaking into the BUSINESS might've been more difficult, but once she was in, the blueprint by Whitney Houston was already laid down and set, and it was utilized by Tommy for Mariah.
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Cross over yes I agree... Things were not that dandy for black artists to cross over to the pop audience that easily as it was with Mariah's case. Breakthrough? No f*cking way. Whitney had not only her family with all the connections but also had one of the strongest heads in the music business back then as her most warm supporter .Clive Davis.
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Originally posted by Marioland
Cross over yes I agree... Things were not that dandy for black artists to cross over to the pop audience that easily as it was with Mariah's case. Breakthrough? No f*cking way. Whitney had not only her family with all the connections but also had one of the strongest heads in the music business back then as her most warm supporter .Clive Davis.
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Mariah Carey had Brenda K. Starr, who also had powerful connections in the biz, hence Tommy. Your point? In fact, it's quite funny how it took both Mariah and Whitney about six years of each of studio work (Mariah and Whitney), nightclub shows (Whitney) and showcases before they got their record deals.
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I live for both, but I can't stand here and watch people try and devalue Whitney's accomplishments.
Whitney's debut album is the highest selling debut album of all time.
Whitney had SEVEN straight #1 singles, an UNBROKEN record.
She sold more with her first two albums WW than most artists see throughout their career.
Her performance at the Super Bowl is one of the most memorable moments in TV history, and she sent the Star-Spangled Banner into the Top 20 of the Hot 100 TWICE.
I Will Always Love You....enough said.
Sure, she fell off into the 2000's, but that's personal issues. Regardless, Whitney is one of the most important singers of all time, and it has been confirmed many times over by many sources. You can prefer Mariah all you want, but the goddamn lies are just... 
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Originally posted by Marioland
Ok you are being aggressive and you don't even get my points of view.You think I attack Patti Smith as an artist or I compare her popularity with Mariah's.PLEASE READ THIS: In my knowledge and my experience whoever likes indie,alternative and punk actually is more aware of the more commercial artists such as Mariah. I don't like punk rock (only alternative rock) but I do know "dancing barefoot" and "because the night". And she is not even that commercial as Mariah. See? 2 classics already. How is it possible for Mariah to have 1 classic only?
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I havent even suggested that you attacked Patti as an artist (if I thought so, then I would have scalped you hun). And I actually agreed with you about Patti being less known, so...
I just dont know why are you thinking that when I stan for Patti, then I have to remember more than one Mariahs song. It doesnt make sense. Look, one is a part of a music scene which I adore, other is a part of a genre Im not really interested in. Im just a casual person who listens to the radio and as I have stated, Whitney gets much more airplay than Mariah where I live, so it was hard for me to remember/recall her songs (not that I have never heard them).
If you still dont get my point...
Im done with this topic.
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Originally posted by Chimier
Mariah Carey had Brenda K. Starr, who also had powerful connections in the biz, hence Tommy. Your point? In fact, it's quite funny how it took both Mariah and Whitney about six years of each of studio work (Mariah and Whitney), nightclub shows (Whitney) and showcases before they got their record deals.
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LOL LOL LOL LOL so you compare Brenda K starr with Aretha Franklin and Warwick???? Are u even serious or you trolling?????? 
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Originally posted by sodade21
LOL LOL LOL LOL so you compare Brenda K starr with Aretha Franklin and Warwick???? Are u even serious or you trolling?????? |
Aretha and Dionne didn't introduce Whitney to Clive. Whitney was discovered by Clive through Gerry Griffith, who discovered Whitney singing in a nightclub.
Brenda introduced Mariah to label execs at the industry party where Tommy took her tape.
Sit down.
It's hilarious how y'all don't know Whitney's story, yet you rewrite it. And you all know Mariah's story, yet rewrite that too. That's what happens when you don't know music history and spend your time misapplying and misusing terms by trying to force them all in the commercial context.
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Originally posted by Marioland
Really people think that Whitney had more obstacles cause she was black? Seriously? Her way was already paved with roses since her whole family was in the recording business and all of them extremely successful. Noone said that she didnt have the talent or that she became famous because of them. It was just easier for her.... Was she poor like Mariah? Did you know that sometimes Mariah didn't even have money for her FOOD!?! Don't play the "black" card on me cause Mariah is half black and half white and that was even more difficult for her life since people could tolerate black people in the late 70s-80s but not so much the interracial relationships and their children since they were considered outcasts from the black and the white communities together.
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Chile........................... The entire post is just so delusional. I can't even respond seriously. And chimier is educating I can sit back and relax tonight
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Can we please stop comparing the two greatest musical artists of all time now? K thanks.
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Originally posted by pbax
Can we please stop comparing the two greatest musical artists of all time now? K thanks.
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I don't know about the two greatest both are very far away from that title. But these threads won't let up ever
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Originally posted by Chimier
It WAS harder for Whitney to break through/cross over due to her skin color. The success was huge, but the actual act of crossing over wasn't easy. So you're wrong there.
Whitney's success paved the way for various groups of people, in particular R&B, black and female artists, thus Mariah is included in that.
Mariah's breaking into the BUSINESS might've been more difficult, but once she was in, the blueprint by Whitney Houston was already laid down and set, and it was utilized by Tommy for Mariah.
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I love Whitney and Mariah on an equal level and yes I agree that Whitney was used as a blueprint for Mariah when she first debuted, but I have to also agree that it was much harder for Mariah to break into the industry because she came from basically nothing. Whitney was born into the music industry and basically had a deal since she was a teenager without really having to try that hard. Obviously she worked her a*s off when she got into her career, but she didn't have to struggle in the beginning like Mariah who had to starve herself etc to pay her bills while trying to chase her dream.
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Originally posted by pbax
I love Whitney and Mariah on an equal level and yes I agree that Whitney was used as a blueprint for Mariah when she first debuted, but I have to also agree that it was much harder for Mariah to break into the industry because she came from basically nothing. Whitney was born into the music industry and basically had a deal since she was a teenager without really having to try that hard. Obviously she worked her a*s off when she got into her career, but she didn't have to struggle in the beginning like Mariah who had to starve herself etc to pay her bills while trying to chase her dream.
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You basically just did exactly what I talked about a few posts ago: rewrote history.
Whitney was not born into the industry, she was INTRODUCED to it at a young age. She did not just "basically" have a deal since she was a teen. She did background work, club shows and showcases for six years before getting her record deal at 19. She was discovered by Gerry Griffith, who then told Clive Davis about her. They arranged a showcase for Whitney, Clive saw her, left, and Gerry had to convince Clive to sign her. And she was passed up by a number of major labels before she was signed.
Whitney paid her dues and worked extremely hard to get her deal. So let's not go and create some fantasy of how things were. Let's stick to cold, hard facts.
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One of the disadvantages of Mariah is that nobody claims her. The blacks don't claim her, the whites don't claim her, no race claims her. Also, no genre also claims her. Hiphop radio, pop radio don't claim her. But it seems to me that Mariah has influenced more artists compared to Whitney. Yet Whitney is more respected. Nobody in the public eye would talk about Whitney's vocal decline because they respect her unlike Mariah who can still sing.
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