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Fan Base: Archived: Nicki Minaj (#1)
Member Since: 4/20/2012
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Originally posted by KimFloppible
This is extremely clever. it would be something to consider, but remember they do check for her quality raps abroad, so don't be mistaken. I'm sure cross over stuff will do very well ala Va Va Voom
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Originally posted by KimFloppible
 I don't get the negativity. I get confused because there are like handfuls of people with Nicki avis but stay doing the most with the negativity...and no it's not being real it's being real negative.
I would have thought the grammy snub was going to wipe out any fairweathers and the core would hold on strong...I was hoping for that but I guess not. 
girl, I love Nicki. Anything I say about her is my own opinion. I've never said anything that wasn't constructive. I've said over and over she's more than talented.
anyTways, I watched the 90 minute video.
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It's so sad how people think she has no talent...
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Originally posted by Rossi
I agree with this. We all had our meltdowns and dragged Onika through filth.. Now how about being more positive and showing her that we have her back? I can only imagine how horrible/ let down she feels right now. Nicki just needed tough love and hopefully she got the message. I'm not beating the woman down anymore. At no time should we be agreeing with the people who hate her.. . |
I see no lies 
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So beautiful.  I need her back
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Member Since: 6/2/2012
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 @ how the 'flop' PF:RR was selling more than Unapologetic/Lotus/Warrior
Nicki remains unbothered, haters remain pressed.
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I think the term "crossover" needs to be retired. VVV is straight up pop. It was cute for a while that certain Borbz couldn't bring themselves to admitting they like a POP song, hence the glorification of the "crossover" term, but enough's enough.
Nicki's hip-hop isn't being checked by anyone outside America, except for hip-hop fans (a very small buying audience) and Barbz. She could scrap all the hip-hop tracks from an international version of her album, and she'd actually sell more as it'd be seen as more appealing.
I'll illustrate this further with a project I'm involved in atm: I'm a media manager for a big artist making her "comeback" early next year, and involved in consulting her UK tracklist.
There was a collaboration with 2 Chainz that the UK team is forcing off the standard edition tracklist, and into a US-only bonus track, simply because we don't want the artist associated with the hip-hop scene at all. The UK urban scene is progressive, and hip-hop just isn't interesting.
Relating back to Nicki, unless she does alternative hip-hop (which I doubt she has in her to pull off), I can't see her UK label supporting her. They discontinued and recalled The Re-Up on Tuesday, after selling just 1018 copies in 2 weeks. Its been replaced nationwide with PF:RR Deluxe Editions, in the run up to Christmas. It is pathetic.
Now Island Records can't drop her, but they can refuse to distribute her music and refuse to contribute to her budget and tour marketing, etc.
I can see Universal Japan and Universal Australia doing the same. So this international version I proposed is pretty much a must.
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Member Since: 10/1/2011
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Originally posted by DIVISION
I think realistically we can't expect much international support this next era if she pushes forward with an urban album.
Smart thing is she prepares an international version of the album (that could also act as the deluxe in America). That'd be a good thing actually, as it means Nicki stays on-trend in the countries that like her as she is, whilst the majority of urban Americans aren't exposed to those singles and are none the wiser.
I'd go as far as to hold off on an international release of the next album, and instead repackage it months after the US release with new tracks and some decent dedicated promo. She sold 250k in the UK with botched promo - with proper promo, she could sell twice that amount! And her YouTube and VEVO can region lock any non-US material.
Nicki did well this current era internationally, so let her focus on getting the urban community on her side again in US market, then come back to the UK, Europe and Australasia.
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Realistically, how do you think an album like Pink Friday would do internationally? It's techincally Urban, but there's a lot of Pop influences.
Now on your next comment. Realistically, the reason people call VVV crossover is because it WOULD've crossed over had it been on PF. Songs like Masquerade and VVV would've done very well.
TRU wasn't meant to be a hit ANYWHERE. It was meant to get Urban listeners back into Nicki, which it has if you go on Urban blogs. If she wanted it to be successful, she would've released it as a Pop EP. That's something people aren't comprehending, especially you. Making threads about the discontinuation is silly, especially that like I said, they would've released a Pop EP instead. Another thing, when Nicki says URBAN ALBUM, she means Pink Friday. That's also something you fail to realize.
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
@ how the 'flop' PF:RR was selling more than Unapologetic/Lotus/Warrior
Nicki remains unbothered, haters remain pressed.
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Right. She actually had great sales.
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Originally posted by Willy.
Realistically, how do you think an album like Pink Friday would do internationally? It's techincally Urban, but there's a lot of Pop influences.
Now on your next comment. Realistically, the reason people call VVV crossover is because it WOULD've crossed over had it been on PF. Songs like Masquerade and VVV would've done very well.
TRU wasn't meant to be a hit ANYWHERE. It was meant to get Urban listeners back into Nicki, which it has if you go on Urban blogs. If she wanted it to be successful, she would've released it as a Pop EP. That's something people aren't comprehending, especially you. Making threads about the discontinuation is silly, especially that like I said, they would've released a Pop EP instead. Another thing, when Nicki says URBAN ALBUM, she means Pink Friday. That's also something you fail to realize.
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Nicki just NEEDS to earn that respect back that she got from PF. I really think that The Pink Print will be her best piece of work yet.
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She should just do an all-rap hip-hop album. Nobody in America would give a crap if she stopped singing or releasing mainstream songs, where as hip-hop fans get riled up if she does.
Save those tracks for an international version or even a pop cd, and focus the next era on being hip-hop.
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Originally posted by DIVISION
She should just do an all-rap hip-hop album. Nobody in America would give a crap if she stopped singing or releasing mainstream songs, where as hip-hop fans get riled up if she does.
Save those tracks for an international version or even a pop cd, and focus the next era on being hip-hop.
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Can you for once answer my question instead of avoiding everything I say? How do you think an album like PINK FRIDAY would do internationally for the next era?
Like I said, Nicki's going to have POP next era. But it won't be Dance. It'll be like Check It Out, Super Bass, Muny, VVV, and Masquerade.
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Member Since: 9/18/2011
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Hey guys 
I want her to release a full urban 3rd album and then release a pop EP internationally so that she can remain the global force she is.
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Willy, I didn't see your reply. Quit with the attitude.
Pink Friday flopped internationally. Its UK sales are down purely to it being a discount album. Nothing to be proud of. Another album like that would kill Nicki's international career.
I'm okay with Nicki going back to local, but it seems like a wasted opportunity. That said, another rapper would just assume the role.
I don't see Nicki as a cretin, but not having any dance-pop tracks is something she'd probably do for shi+s and giggles, so whatever lol.
I'd honestly rather the producers of any new dance-pop tracks she records release them themselves, like David Guetta, or reworks them for other artists' albums. Or just re-records them.
And Check It Out and Va Va Voom are dance-pop. Not even wasting time debating that.
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Originally posted by DIVISION
Willy, I didn't see your reply. Quit with the attitude.
Pink Friday flopped internationally. Its UK sales are down purely to it being a discount album. Nothing to be proud of. Another album like that would kill Nicki's international career.
I'm okay with Nicki going back to local, but it seems like a wasted opportunity. That said, another rapper would just assume the role.
I don't see Nicki as a cretin, but not having any dance-pop tracks is something she'd probably do for shi+s and giggles, so whatever lol.
I'd honestly rather the producers of any new dance-pop tracks she records release them themselves, like David Guetta, or reworks them for other artists' albums. Or just re-records them.
And Check It Out and Va Va Voom are dance-pop. Not even wasting time debating that.
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Like usual, I don't expect you to answer.
Anyway, correction* I mean EUROPOP. Check It Out borders more on Hip-Hop with Pop influences, like Take Care (song).
I don't want her to add Europop JUST for the sake of adding Europop. If it'll make the album GREAT, cohesive, and ACCLAIMED, than of course she can do it. Like Nicki said, I want the next album to be her Grammy winning one.
Also, no other female rapper is coming for Nicki's spot. If anything, yes, I'd rather the next album sell more in the US than PFRR sold WW. If she hypothetically sells 2M in the US, it makes up for any other sales WW, in comparison to selling 700K in the US and 800K WW.
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I would love a Pink Friday type album with more urban influences this time around.
It would be nice if she packaged the next album with a 5-7 song pop EP so she could still appeal to her global pop audience.
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Ugh. This bitch is too sexy.
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I have no idea why people just don't want Nicki to release an album that's capable of being played on Urban and Pop.
There doesn't always have to be one extreme or the other
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I remember I spazzed when these pics came out. Ha body on point
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'Pink Friday' did not flop internationally selling over 3million+ albums, some of the biggest stars can barely pull that off 
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Member Since: 10/1/2011
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'Pink Friday' did not flop internationally selling over 3million+ albums, some of the biggest stars can barely pull that off |
Exactly, and even if it did, it's US sales make up for it's international ones.
Selling 5M albums in the US and 400K WW is better than 1M in the US and 1M WW, IMO.
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'Pink Friday' did not flop internationally selling over 3million+ albums, some of the biggest stars can barely pull that off |
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Originally posted by Willy.
Exactly, and even if it did, it's US sales make up for it's international ones.
Selling 5M albums in the US and 400K WW is better than 1M in the US and 1M WW, IMO.
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Right.
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Member Since: 7/12/2010
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Originally posted by Willy.
I have no idea why people just don't want Nicki to release an album that's capable of being played on Urban and Pop.
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Seems like that's the best way to please both sides.
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