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Chart Listings: iTunes Discussion Thread (August 2011 - July 2013)
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Originally posted by Superbitch
Ke$ha always sells good tbh. Her singles are never promoted heavily or performed a lot and most of them have.sold 2 milli.
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All of them have. ALL of them.
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Originally posted by Nicole
Gaga has lost all digital (as well as radio) power.
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I don't see how she could lose what she never had - her success during The Fame and The Fame Monster is exaggerated to an extent. She was never extremely strong with singles to begin with and her success is more rounded, as opposed to someone like Katy who gets long strings of huge hits with about the same album sales but low touring success.
Gaga will only get one major hit from this era, two if she's lucky. Anything further will be a minor top ten hit.
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All the Katy praise in this thread 
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Originally posted by Retro Dance Freak
I don't see how she could lose what she never had - her success during The Fame and The Fame Monster is exaggerated to an extent. She was never extremely strong with singles to begin with and her success is more rounded, as opposed to someone like Katy who gets long strings of huge hits with about the same album sales but low touring success.
Gaga will only get one major hit from this era, two if she's lucky. Anything further will be a minor top ten hit.
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I agree with this. Gaga's next era will likely perform similar to the BTW era, almost regardless of the sound.
She will still be touring when the era starts, and she will add the first two singles to the set list. Her first single will be a smash. The first single will probably debut top 10, but it probably won't have good longevity. The promo singles will perform like BTWs did too.
The album will have a high debut but not as high as BTW regardless of the sound and even if it is released during black friday. After that she will be lucky to get a couple top 10 hits. They will probably need the music videos and major promo too. Regardless of the sound. The era will probably wrap up within a year. She go on a long and successful tour too, probably will out gross the BTW tour too.
I think eventually she will become a touring artist like Madonna, U2, and the other legends. She will just release an album for an excuse to tour.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
I agree with this. Gaga's next era will likely perform similar to the BTW era, almost regardless of the sound.
She will still be touring when the era starts, and she will add the first two singles to the set list. Her first single will be a smash. The first single will probably debut top 10, but it probably won't have good longevity. The promo singles will perform like BTWs did too.
The album will have a high debut but not as high as BTW regardless of the sound and even if it is released during black friday. After that she will be lucky to get a couple top 10 hits. They will probably need the music videos and major promo too. Regardless of the sound. The era will probably wrap up within a year. She go on a long and successful tour too, probably will out gross the BTW tour too.
I think eventually she will become a touring artist like Madonna, U2, and the other legends. She will just release an album for an excuse to tour.
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Exactly. To be honest, I'd be perfectly & completely happy if all Gaga's future eras had a few top ten debuts from the singles and potential promo singles and decent album sales. I think that the only place she will fade at all will be in the non-lead-singles department; her lead singles will remain successful, her album sales will stay good, and yes, I think she'll end up as a U2/Madonna type act, though oddly in a shorter time frame than either of them.
And none of that's a bad thing. Some people on ATRL are just used to stanning for artists who get hit after hit after hit, but in reality very few artists can manage that. Britney can't, she's only had one album with more than two top ten hits. Gaga won't, in all likelihood. Even Rihanna has a couple flops per era. A lot of people, including a lot of monsters, expect far too much from Gaga as far as charts and singles sales.
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Originally posted by Retro Dance Freak
Exactly. To be honest, I'd be perfectly & completely happy if all Gaga's future eras had a few top ten debuts from the singles and potential promo singles and decent album sales. I think that the only place she will fade at all will be in the non-lead-singles department; her lead singles will remain successful, her album sales will stay good, and yes, I think she'll end up as a U2/Madonna type act, though oddly in a shorter time frame than either of them.
And none of that's a bad thing. Some people on ATRL are just used to stanning for artists who get hit after hit after hit, but in reality very few artists can manage that. Britney can't, she's only had one album with more than two top ten hits. Gaga won't, in all likelihood. Even Rihanna has a couple flops per era. A lot of people, including a lot of monsters, expect far too much from Gaga as far as charts and singles sales.
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Her albums sales will be decent for the immediate future. The market will only continue to decline though. Her lead singles will probably do well too, but I bet in 5-ish years her and her label will simply stop caring. Touring is where the money is, and it is probably where Gaga is happiest. Considering how long she tours, how much effort she puts into it, and what she says in her interviews.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
I agree with this. Gaga's next era will likely perform similar to the BTW era, almost regardless of the sound.
She will still be touring when the era starts, and she will add the first two singles to the set list. Her first single will be a smash. The first single will probably debut top 10, but it probably won't have good longevity. The promo singles will perform like BTWs did too.
The album will have a high debut but not as high as BTW regardless of the sound and even if it is released during black friday. After that she will be lucky to get a couple top 10 hits. They will probably need the music videos and major promo too. Regardless of the sound. The era will probably wrap up within a year. She go on a long and successful tour too, probably will out gross the BTW tour too.
I think eventually she will become a touring artist like Madonna, U2, and the other legends. She will just release an album for an excuse to tour.
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Madonna and U2 have had decades of hits. Gaga hasn't gotten to that point, not even a decade, which is really why you can't put her name in a sentence like that next to theirs.
She simply cannot fade this early if she wants that prestige. Her touring catalog has to be stuffed with actual hits that people will want to go and see her for. That's just how it is. So fading commercially not even 5 years into your career is simply not acceptable for a popstar.
Which is what she is right now: a popstar. Not a musical legend, a popstar.
Legendary status takes way more than double the time Gaga's put in so far. To be honest, I wouldn't even call Britney and Beyonce legends. At least, not yet.
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Originally posted by ClashAndBurn
Madonna and U2 have had decades of hits. Gaga hasn't gotten to that point, not even a decade, which is really why you can't put her name in a sentence like that next to theirs.
She simply cannot fade this early if she wants that prestige. Her touring catalog has to be stuffed with actual hits that people will want to go and see her for. That's just how it is. So fading commercially not even 5 years into your career is simply not acceptable for a popstar.
Which is what she is right now: a popstar. Not a musical legend, a popstar.
Legendary status takes way more than double the time Gaga's put in so far.
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But she will still have hits, and her established hits will remain staples in her tours. "Just Dance", "Poker Face", "Bad Romance", "Born This Way" and possibly "Paparazzi" are songs that she will surely be remembered for, and she's not declining nearly fast enough to prevent her from getting more identifying hits - it's not as though she's stopped getting hits at all, she had three hits in the US from BTW while, for example, Rihanna had three from an album at the same point in her career that similarly had a sales dip. And remember what Rihanna got right after? Three number one hits. Gaga could easily last long enough to attain significant legend status.
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Originally posted by Retro Dance Freak
But she will still have hits, and her established hits will remain staples in her tours. "Just Dance", "Poker Face", "Bad Romance", "Born This Way" and possibly "Paparazzi" are songs that she will surely be remembered for, and she's not declining nearly fast enough to prevent her from getting more identifying hits - it's not as though she's stopped getting hits at all, she had three hits in the US from BTW while, for example, Rihanna had three from an album at the same point in her career that similarly had a sales dip. And remember what Rihanna got right after? Three number one hits. Gaga could easily last long enough to attain significant legend status.
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That's why I'm saying this: It's too soon to write her off, but you can't count your chickens before they hatch.
...And I swear I was not thinking about this when I wrote that...
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Originally posted by ClashAndBurn
Madonna and U2 have had decades of hits. Gaga hasn't gotten to that point, not even a decade, which is really why you can't put her name in a sentence like that next to theirs.
She simply cannot fade this early if she wants that prestige. Her touring catalog has to be stuffed with actual hits that people will want to go and see her for. That's just how it is. So fading commercially not even 5 years into your career is simply not acceptable for a popstar.
Which is what she is right now: a popstar. Not a musical legend, a popstar.
Legendary status takes way more than double the time Gaga's put in so far. To be honest, I wouldn't even call Britney and Beyonce legends. At least, not yet.
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I didn't say she would be a legend in 5 years, I said she would be a touring artists. I agree with your point about legends.
You have to admit Gaga is in a weird situation. Who else grossed 200 million+ with their 2nd tour?
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
I didn't say she would be a legend in 5 years, I said she would be a touring artists. I agree with your point about legends.
You have to admit Gaga is in a weird situation. Who else grossed 200 million+ with their 2nd tour?
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Literally nobody, and that's part of what makes Gaga unique - even if she fades on the charts Lauper style, the world won't soon forget someone as huge as Gaga is, being that she's challenging Madonna herself with their current tour grosses. Same concept for Katy, for example - she'll be around for a very long time yet, and even afterward people won't forget the girl who tied Michael Jackson.
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Originally posted by ClashAndBurn
That's why I'm saying this: It's too soon to write her off, but you can't count your chickens before they hatch.
...And I swear I was not thinking about this when I wrote that...
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Originally posted by ClashAndBurn
That's why I'm saying this: It's too soon to write her off, but you can't count your chickens before they hatch.
...And I swear I was not thinking about this when I wrote that...
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What? 
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Originally posted by Retro Dance Freak
Literally nobody, and that's part of what makes Gaga unique - even if she fades on the charts Lauper style, the world won't soon forget someone as huge as Gaga is, being that she's challenging Madonna herself with their current tour grosses. Same concept for Katy, for example - she'll be around for a very long time yet, and even afterward people won't forget the girl who tied Michael Jackson.
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I agree with this.
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Good Time coming back
No Doubt not doing really cool..
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Originally posted by Ger-55
Good Time coming back
No Doubt not doing really cool..
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-sigh-
Limited pop support, and no live performance yet.
Patience is a virtue. After all, "Good Time" is building its AI, but has yet to have a video release or live performance. 
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You all presed need to shut up. I don't think your favourites would sold so much releasing about 5 singles (sometimes ballabs,R&B song....) every year.
50. As Long As You Love Me (feat. Big Sean) - Justin Bieber
Coming. 
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Originally posted by Ger-55
Good Time coming back
No Doubt not doing really cool..
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You have to give No Doubt time 
The song will do just well once they start promoting it.
Trust me... all the "grown up" No Doubt fans will eat it up and radio will give them enough support.
As for Good Time... that song will be the ultimate Summer 2012 universal jam.
I was running to it yesterday on a breezy Italian Summer afternoon and all I could picture me in was a beach, some friendly fun, and careless joyful (for no apparent reason) type of mood.
That song will just plant its seeds in anyone's Summer memory.
It's only a matter of time 
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I am so glad the chart is shaking it up.
Time for proper Summer songs and the comebacks of many artists.
I hope Florence and The Machine can sneak in with their current UK number one and also that Calvin Harris and Example can break in with their current collaboration.
I still expect Ed Sheeran to be featured more consistently in some up-tier range of the BBHot100, even though the way he's doing with his album pleases me enough on itself
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
Hm, I don't know. By the release and explosion of "Firework", I'd say Katy was the new victor with the title. Gaga really only has "Poker Face" and "Just Dance" to her name, as Clash noted "Bad Romance" took a very long to reach major numbers. And even so those were longevity hits, while Katy comes and really sells powerfully throughout each single release. Gaga had duds early on ("LoveGame", "Paparazzi", "Telephone", "Alejandro") and of course the entire Born This Way era (as a whole). Even the title track. Selling 1 million copies in 10 days really doesn't matter to people when you close with a little over 3 million.
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I agree with you generally but don't you think you're exaggerating a bit? I would hardly classify 3x Platinum singles as "duds" and "Bad Romance" reached 4x Platinum very quickly, it only started to slow down after that (but it was still massive digitally). Her only real "duds" came from the BTW era.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
I agree with you generally but don't you think you're exaggerating a bit? I would hardly classify 3x Platinum singles as "duds" and "Bad Romance" reached 4x Platinum very quickly, it only started to slow down after that (but it was still massive digitally). Her only real "duds" came from the BTW era.
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Well I mean more in how they were performing upon release. Both "Telephone" and "Alejandro" were slow sellers, I remember a lot of Monsters reducing to excuses that it was because The Fame + Monster had sold so many copies already. I've always been astonished at "LoveGame" digital sales and a little disappointed with "Paparazzi". In the end, I call them duds because they didn't hold up against her first two singles, while people like Katy (an example of digital power) keeps racking up 4x-5x single after single. I don't mean for dud to hold too strong of a negative connotation, just when you compare, they are for me.
And I apologize, "BR" did move rather quickly. Only assumed there with how it performed early on. But no, I don't feel it's an exaggeration.
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