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Discussion: Why are people so unappreciative of Gaga's LGBT work?
Member Since: 10/1/2011
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Originally posted by Abnormal
That's not the point. We're not saying that if you're gay and don't like Lady Gaga, you're a self-hating gay. We're saying that if you're gay and you try to bite the hand that is feeding you, then there is obviously something going on in your head. You do not have to like Gaga if you're gay and you do not have to support her, but to go out of your way to condemn her for what she tries to do is illogical and selfish. It is not Gaga's fault that she has gay fans. At the beginning of her career, she was vocal about her gay support but not to the extent she is today. People need to understand WHY she amped up her support. She talked about how during The Monster Ball Tour, she met thousands and thousands of her fans who shared their stories with her. She heard everything from gay men being beaten up, to lesbians being kicked out of their homes, to trans men and women being killed, to girls being called fat, to boys being bullied for possessing feminine traits. She heard their cries and felt a connection with their stories and that is why she wrote "Born This Way" the album. The album is NOT specifically about gays. Yes, people say BTW is a gay anthem, but have your forgotten the "GAY, STRAIGHT, BI, LESBIAN, TRANSGENDERED LIFE..." line? She's not focusing solely on gays, she's focusing on those who feel left out and ostracized, and it just so happens that a lot of those people happen to be members of the LGBT community.
Such a ******** thing to fall back on. How can we prove something when none of us even knew about her before she hit it big? We do, however, know that her LGBT support was there from the beginning of her career.
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My thoughts exactly.
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
So you're basically saying "Because GaGa, a 26 year old woman, isn't exactly the same as she was in high school, she must he fake."
That's...cool and totally logical I guess.
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You're worthless to have a debate/conversation with, as are most of the people posting in here, its the same immature responses to actual points being made and then you ignore the part that actually matter to attack the very end of my post.
GaGa's work doesn't come off as authentic, its very simple. I gave a reason I could respect her work because I'm not a blind hating troll but of course anything but agreement isnt good enough. As I said before, GaGa's work has contributed to positive things happening and I wont take that from her, but I think she does gay activism because its convenient for her and she has to maintain her public image.
Edit: This thread is a waste.
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Member Since: 12/9/2007
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Originally posted by csybeyking
You're worthless to have a debate/conversation with, as are most of the people posting in here, its the same immature responses to actual points being made and then you ignore the part that actually matter to attack the very end of my post.
GaGa's work doesn't come off as authentic, its very simple. I gave a reason I could respect her work because I'm not a blind hating troll but of course anything but agreement isnt good enough. As I said before, GaGa's work has contributed to positive things happening and I wont take that from her, but I think she does gay activism because its convenient for her and she has to maintain her public image.
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But considering you don't know her, you can't say she's inauthentic. What about the fact that she's from New York, home to a large gay community, and the fact that she started in musical theatre, which is a predominantly gay network of people? That couldn't have possibly impacted her desires to see her gay friends have the same rights she has. 
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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Originally posted by Sound Check
But considering you don't know her, you can't say she's inauthentic. What about the fact that she's from New York, home to a large gay community, and the fact that she started in musical theatre, which is a predominantly gay network of people? That couldn't have possibly impacted her desires to see her gay friends have the same rights she has.
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And considering you don't know her either, you wouldn't know what has actually motivated her to be a gay activist. So it seems we're in the same boat. Or did you expect me to try and discredit those possibilities?? Besides, neither of those have been brought up in prior discussion so who's to know if she actually had gay friends from either of those situations. She conveniently decided to embrace the gay community as she became more successful.
For the record, I believe her activism is more legit than Kim Kardashian & Chris Humphries...but thats not really saying much.
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
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I love Gaga with all my heart, and I love her music...
but there's this gut feeling that she's only capitalizing on gay rights movement
to become successful.
But then again so does every politician,
so does every human rights activist, etc.
No one is truly sincere about gay rights
other than the LGBT community themselves
because they know where they stand.
Everybody else does it to get themselves good credit,
or just marketing to make money, etc.
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Member Since: 8/26/2011
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Originally posted by mockingjay
because a lot of people think she's doing it only for publicity. 
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ugh this 
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Member Since: 6/19/2011
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Unfortunately, they see it as a gimmick to sell records. I've even had some
fellow gay men call her attempt a ploy to win us over. It was really
interesting hearing this because I always saw Born This Way as genuine
but some don't. She really should have not taken this type of risk on second
album. I think for a fourth album yes, but now its not a good idea.
Now we need this next album to blow people away
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Member Since: 11/6/2010
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Originally posted by Shape
"Hey, you know what, I really don't think that I need Lady Gaga's representation. She can do what she wants, but I don't need her"
"OMFG YOU SELF HATING GAY GUY HOW CAN YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELF MOTHER MONSTER DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOUR SINS"
is basically what I'm reading in this thread.
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+1 and it is so unreal. 
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I think she'll regret this album for the rest of her career. It alienated the General Public too soon in her career!
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
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Originally posted by mockingjay
because a lot of people think she's doing it only for publicity.
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This. It just seems so forced.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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The OTT-ness of it, and its what Madge did. So it looks fake. I would get it if she was an outcast, but she was a nice rich girl (she did get bullied, but so do many others). Others have it worse in life, I love her but she's no icon for the oppressed, she needs to drop that ****.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by Benjamin
For me, it's probably because I'm from the UK where "The Gayz" don't particularly need help. Sure, there's one or two issues that could be changed, but there's nothing major. (Well, I've not seen anything in my life...) So from where I live it looks like she's talking absolute **** in an attempt to gain popularity with gays. I'm guessing it's the same for most people in Europe. (I'm not saying that Gays are completely accepted in society and such, just that it's a lot better here than in the US before y'all try to rip me apart.)
I understand that she probably has made an impact on American gays, but I just can't feel it myself. That's my problem with the whole message. I don't need to be told I'm perfect the way I am, as I was born this way, as I already know and accept that.
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+1.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Why the **** would it matter if she was only doing it for publicity? She's still been a great public ally and has gone above and beyond on the issues she chooses to tackle. Y'all do too much on her.  |
Because it's wrong. She probably does care, but it's the man who does his work in silent rather than the raver (ie Will Young/Ellen deGeneres) that has more admiration. Like Erykah Badu said: The man that thinks he knows something knows nothing at all. I'm not saying that about Gaga, but in the LGBT at my uni, they think she's weird.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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I have no idea. She has really helped me to accept myself for who I am, and I can't fault her dedication in attempting to create new legislation to tackle the problems...
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Member Since: 9/18/2011
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I still don't necessarily see ha as "using the gays"
To be honest,she did play Gay clubs when she broke out,even mentioning tigerheat(a predominately LGBT club) in Gagavision 1
Come to think of it,even some of her inspirations in the beginning were either Gay Icons or Gay/Anrdogynous in some sort of way.
-Andy Warhol
-David Bowie
-Freddie Mercury
-Grace Jones (Who played with androgyny)
I doubt Gaga would all of a sudden "turn pro-gay" when she did TFM/BTW,but to each their own I guess.
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Member Since: 2/18/2012
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Because it's Lady Gaga.
If it was Katy Perry or Rihanna in her shoes, it'd be a completely different story. Shame really. I think in that term, biting the hand that's feeding you is an understatement. I'd like to see where the laws would be sitting now if she hadn't helped the way she has.
(No disrespect, I'm just stating my opinion, I'm Gay too.)
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Member Since: 12/16/2008
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I would blame on her stanbase 
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Originally posted by csybeyking
You're worthless to have a debate/conversation with, as are most of the people posting in here, its the same immature responses to actual points being made and then you ignore the part that actually matter to attack the very end of my post.
GaGa's work doesn't come off as authentic, its very simple. I gave a reason I could respect her work because I'm not a blind hating troll but of course anything but agreement isnt good enough. As I said before, GaGa's work has contributed to positive things happening and I wont take that from her, but I think she does gay activism because its convenient for her and she has to maintain her public image.
Edit: This thread is a waste.
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But something doesn't make sense. Why would she choose to maintain her image that way? Do you live in America? Do you know how conservative this country is? You have her contemporaries who say they support equality but are scared to do anything of value because it might hurt their careers with the general public, but then there's Gaga who is unapologetically like, "I ****ING LOVE THE LGBT COMMUNITY AND I'M GOING TO FIGHT WITH THEM." Why is it that the only person who's actually trying to do something is the one considered fake? She's been awarded and heralded by GLAAD, the HRC, the President, and the Trevor Project, yet you view her as unauthentic, which is totally fine and you're allowed to do.
Stans of other people just need to ****ing stop. Most of your fave does absolutely NOTHING for the gay community, so the last person you should be putting down is the person who is not afraid to stand up and speak out.
People just don't get it. She didn't wake up one day and say to herself, "Lemme love the gays." It's always been there. Gaga is very, very, very much in touch with her fanbase and she knows that a large portion of her fans are LGBT boys and girls. She's not fighting for the entire community, she's fighting for THEM because they're the ones who have helped her achieve her dreams and she wants to give back in any way, shape, or form. How in the world is she exploiting when she has donated millions of dollars of HER OWN MONEY and has spent her own time and put in her own effort to help those boys and girls in the LGBT community who desperately want and need her? Stop acting like she's saying, "I'M THE LEADER. I REPRESENT YOU" because she doesn't act that way and she doesn't think that way. If you want her to be a voice for you, then she's happy to take on that role. If you don't, she's happy about that as well.
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Member Since: 3/17/2012
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Originally posted by Last Boy on Earth
I'm not a self hating gay and I do not appreciate her work, I'm just not sensitive and I don't need someone to tell me I was born this way to feel good about myself |
LOL, tyler the creator being your AV tells me otherwise.
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Member Since: 3/17/2012
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Originally posted by Jack!
Because it's Lady Gaga.
If it was Katy Perry or Rihanna in her shoes, it'd be a completely different story. Shame really. I think in that term, biting the hand that's feeding you is an understatement. I'd like to see where the laws would be sitting now if she hadn't helped the way she has.
(No disrespect, I'm just stating my opinion, I'm Gay too.)
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Of course it would be different with katy. Her first album was full of homophobia. She didn't see the gay community as a good market to tap into until gaga came.
If katy did half the **** gaga does, it actually wouldn't be authentic.
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