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Discussion: "Too homosexual" - Dear Gay Community
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"Too homosexual" - Dear Gay Community
I wrote this article yesterday and posted it on my Facebook. I had quite an overwhelming response to it and now it's being shared all over. I'm sharing it to you here since I know many of you are gay like me. Feel free to comment. The original text is in French, this is only a meh google translation that I re-checked to make sure it wasn't too bad. I know it's quite long, but try giving it a shot!
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Too homosexual
Saturday, January 14th 2012.
Dear gay community,
If you do not know yet, I’m telling you now, I'm gay. It is with difficulty, like many of you, that I accepted this reality, so bitter in my young age. At least, to make me feel less alone, there was the "gay community" to welcome me. That’s what I thought..
This dear gay community. I immediately realized that being different, in a community already at the margin, shall be avoided. Who would have thought that a community fighting for tolerance is in fact one of the most intolerant and closed on its own members. Labels and mold rain in industrial quantities. Do not have the misfortune to be somewhat "effeminate" as a man, the wrath of some homosexuals on you will be appalling. You must be masculine and virile - in fact I have rarely witnessed such a macho community, as surprising as it may seem. The culture of masculinity, muscle and male. The same situation prevails for lesbians - the more feminine you are, the better you will get along. They do not want to be "labeled" as gay, yet they themselves are top-notch labellers. In short, the more you'll look straight, or should I say the very least you'll look too "gay", the more life will be easier for you. Homophobia is closer than we think - open your eyes.
The reluctance of the difference does not stop there. Woe to you if you do not enter into the canons of beauty of this beloved gay community. It's not a big fan of fine and refined dining. It prefers fast food and all-you-can-eat buffet - eat quickly and in large quantities. If you’re thinking to integrate this community, you will need to lose all your extra pounds, at the risk of getting labeled as a freak show. Also, do not have the misfortune to be of a different origin. Often you will hear some display lists of ethnic groups who have no chance with them. Be Caucasian, or at least have a look close to it. That's what saved me. Do not confuse this attitude with racism, only very select preferences. Fan of fast food, but yet very select at the same time - the paradox has definitely no limit.
A community where aging is considered the worst curse of this life. To be homosexual and over 35 years, you will automatically labeled as a pervert looking for young immature to put under your claws. In fact, the most distressing is that there is a part of truth in the preceding sentence, yet so categorical. Lack of self esteem is sure to make them turn to one last breath of youth.
A community where you are asked if you are "top or bottom" before being asked for your name. This is what matters, the rest is futile. Attention to your ego, you might think you are a vulgar commodity. Within a community of eternal hyper hormonal adolescents, the rule is to collect the more one night stands that you can. You would think that after a certain age, maturity would take over and change behaviors, but unfortunately you are terribly wrong. The lack of respect for members for their peers even extends to the bedroom. Indeed, if you succumb to temptation, a vulgar thirty minutes you will become. But then, in this case, both parties are willing. I hope at least.
Some would say that we should not judge, it's their life and body. I say the opposite. I do not condemn them for their actions, but for their unlimited selfishness. By doing so, it’s the entire community that they strangle with the scourge of STIs - including HIV - and a reputation for relentless promiscuity. The biggest losers are in fact those who are not attracted by this fast-food. When they'll meet someone, the possibility of sexually transmitted infections will always haunt them. They do not enjoy the delights of the banquet, but suffer from feeling sick afterwards, in spite of themselves.
Among homosexuals, we fight for marriage, but the majority of us struggle to have a stable relationship of more than one year. More than few months should I say. Me included. A community where we hide our lack of substance by extravagant costumes, glitter, wigs and colors that catch the eye. The more distracted from the person herself you are, the more the subterfuge is a success. Should we really parade for a so called pride? On the one hand, it is critical to never be ashamed of who we are as an individual. But on the other hand, I would never parade for the pride of this community, of which I am seriously ashamed. A community where gays do not like lesbians and vice versa, where one tries to forget the pathetic of the situation by taking the company of many drugs, where you are analyzed as a product on the shelves of a big surface store, etc.. Thus, I choose to parade every day for my individualism.
The real question is whether the gay community really exists. In this collection of anything, it is legitimate to ask ourselves what really unites us, except our sexual orientation. Perhaps the lack of openness maybe. Xenophobia is subtle and only the most experienced can detect it. Nothing to help all these young homosexuals in search of identity, which too often turn themselves to suicide to solve their unhappiness. If only there was a more welcoming and warm community to comfort them!
But, is it appropriate to blame only the members of the community for all those problems? In a society where heterosexuality is the norm, the pill of the difference is difficult to digest. It can be argued that society is more tolerant nowadays, but as long as doing your coming-out is considered like a Herculean ordeal for most of us, a real problem still remains somewhere. It is logical that in this situation, our community is trying to implement the tenets of hetero-normality among its own members. Thus, the homosexual blending into the mass will be accepted, but the one who’s too opposed to the heterosexual norms will be stigmatized. The work to do is on both ways.
Of course, exceptions exist, like everywhere, even in the middle of this jungle. But often, you hear them say that they do not feel full members of the gay community. They feel disconnected. This reflection speaks by itself about the underlying problem that afflicts us. That's how this vicious circle works. Right in the digital age, with lame applications such as Grindr and other means to trivialize the sexual act, the future of our beloved community is bleak my friends. I hope that this text has had the effect of a slap on your face. It is time to wake up before it's too late to repair the damage.
Sincerely, Fadi.
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The original text in French. If you're able to read French, read this one. It's way better.
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Chère communauté gaie,
Si vous ne le saviez toujours pas, je vous l’apprends à l’instant, je suis gay. C’est avec difficulté, comme bien d’entres-vous, que j’ai accepté cette réalité, si amère dans mon plus jeune âge. Au moins, pour me faire sentir moins seul, il y avait la « communauté gaie » pour m’accueillir. Enfin, c’est ce que je croyais.
Cette chère communauté gaie. J’ai immédiatement réalisé qu’être différent, au sein d’une communauté déjà à la marge, est à proscrire. Qui aurait cru qu’une communauté luttant pour la tolérance soit, en fait, une des plus intolérante et fermée concernant ses propres membres. Les étiquettes et moules pleuvent en quantité industrielle. N’ayez surtout pas le malheur d’être quelque peu « efféminé » en tant qu’homme, les foudres de certains homosexuels sur vous seront effroyables. Il vous faut être masculin et viril – en fait je n’ai rarement été témoin d’un tel machisme, aussi surprenant que cela peut paraître. La culture de la virilité, du muscle, du masculin. La même réalité prévaut pour les lesbiennes – le plus féminine vous serez, le mieux vous vous en tirerez. Ils ne veulent pas être « étiquetés » comme homosexuels, pourtant ils sont eux-mêmes des étiqueteurs hors-pair. En bref, plus vous aurez l’air hétérosexuel, ou devrais-je dire le moins vous aurez l’air trop «homosexuel», le mieux la vie sera pour vous. L’homophobie est plus près qu’on le croit - ouvrez les yeux.
La répugnance de la différence ne s’arrête pas là. Malheur à vous si vous ne rentrez pas dans les canons de beauté de cette chère communauté gaie. Elle n’est pas grand fan de cuisine fine et raffinée. Elle préfère les fast-food et buffets all-you-can-eat – consommez rapidement et en grande quantité. Si vous pensez intégrer cette communauté, il vous faudra perdre vos kilos en trop, au risque de vous faire étiqueter comme bête de foire. De plus, n’ayez pas le malheur d’être d’origine différente. Bien souvent, vous entendrez certains arborer des listes d’ethnies n'ayant aucune chance auprès d’eux. Soyez caucasien, ou du moins ayez une apparence s'y rapprochant. C'est ce qui m'a sauvé. Ne confondez pas cette attitude avec du racisme, seulement des préférences très selects. Fan de fast-food, mais très selects à la fois - le paradoxe n’a décidément aucune limite.
Une communauté où vieillir est la pire malédiction de cette vie. Être homosexuel et avoir plus de 35 ans, c’est automatiquement être un pervers à la recherche de jeunes immatures à se mettre sous la dent. En fait, le plus désolant est qu’il existe une part de vérité dans la phrase précédente, pourtant si catégorique. Le manque d'amour propre fait en sorte de se tourner vers un dernier souffle de jeunesse pour nous apaiser.
Une communauté où on vous demande si vous êtes « top ou bottom » avant même de vous demander votre nom. C’est ce qui importe, le reste est futile. Attention à votre ego, vous pourriez penser que vous n’êtes qu’une vulgaire marchandise. Au sein d’une communauté d’éternels adolescents hyper hormonaux, la règle est de collectionner les histoires d’un soir. On pourrait penser qu’après un certain âge, la maturité prendrait le dessus et ferait changer les comportements, mais hélas, vous avez torts. Le manque de respect des membres auprès de leurs paires s’étend jusqu’à la chambre à coucher. Effectivement, si vous succombez à la tentation, un vulgaire trente minutes vous deviendrez. Mais encore-là, dans ce cas, les deux partis sont consentants, je l’espère du moins.
Certains diront qu’il ne faut pas juger, que c’est leur vie et leur corps. Je dis le contraire. Je ne les condamne pas pour leurs actions, mais plutôt pour leur égoïsme sans limite. En agissant de la sorte, c’est toute la communauté qu’ils étranglent avec le fléau des ITSS - notamment le VIH - et une réputation de promiscuité incessante. Les plus grands perdants sont ceux nullement attirés par ce fast-food. Lorsqu’ils rencontreront quelqu'un, ils devront toujours avoir en tête la possibilité d’infections transmissibles sexuellement. Ils ne profitent pas des délices du banquet, mais souffrent de l’envie de vomir qui en suit, malgré eux.
Chez les homosexuels, on lutte pour le mariage, mais la majorité peine à enchaîner une relation stable de plus d’une année. Plus que quelques mois même. Une communauté où on cache notre manque de substance par des costumes extravagants, des paillettes, des perruques et des couleurs qui attrapent l’œil. Le plus distrait de la personne elle-même vous serez, plus le subterfuge sera réussi. Devrions-nous réellement parader pour une dite fierté? D’un côté, il est absolument essentiel de ne jamais avoir honte de notre identité en tant que personne individuelle. Mais, d’un autre côté, jamais je ne paraderai pour la fierté de cette communauté dont j’ai gravement honte. Une communauté où les gays n’aiment pas les lesbiennes et vice-versa, où l’on tente d’oublier le pathétique de la situation en prenant compagnie de nombreuses drogues, où vous êtes analysé comme un produit sur les étagères d’un magasin à grande surface, etc. Je choisis donc de parader quotidiennement pour mon individualisme.
La vraie question est de savoir si la communauté gaie existe vraiment en fait. Au sein de tout ce ramassis de n’importe quoi, il est légitime de se demander ce qui nous unit vraiment, mis à part notre orientation sexuelle. Peut-être le manque d’ouverture d’esprit en fait. La xénophobie est subtile et seuls les plus avertis peuvent la déceler. Rien pour aider tous ces jeunes homosexuels en quête d'identité qui se tournent bien trop souvent vers le suicide pour répondre à leur mal de vivre. Si seulement il existait une communauté plus accueillante et chaleureuse pour les réconforter!
Pouvons-nous blâmer à eux-seuls les membres de la communauté par contre? Dans une société où l'hétérosexualité est la norme, la pilule de la différence est difficile à digérer. On peut prétendre que la société est de plus en plus tolérante, mais tant que faire son coming-out sera une épreuve herculéenne pour la plupart d'entre-nous, un problème réel persiste à quelque part. Il est logique que dans cette situation, notre communauté tente de transposer les dogmes d'hétéro-normalité auprès des ses propres membres. Ainsi, l'homosexuel se fondant dans le décor sera accepté, mais celui étant trop à l'opposé des normes hétérosexuelles sera stigmatisé. Le travail à faire est donc conjoint.
Bien évidemment, les exceptions existent, comme partout, même au milieu de cette jungle. Mais bien souvent, vous les entendrez dire qu’ils ne se sentent pas membres à part entière de la communauté gaie. Ils se sentent déconnectés. Cette réflexion en dit bien long sur le problème de fond qui nous afflige. Ainsi va le cercle vicieux. En plein dans l’ère du numérique et des applications bidons telle Grindr et autres moyens de banaliser l'acte sexuel, l’avenir de notre chère communauté est bien sombre mes amis. J'ose espérer que ce texte aura eu l'effet d'une claque sur votre visage. Il est temps de se réveiller avant qu'il soit trop tard pour réparer les pots cassés.
Très sincèrement, Fadi.
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Shouldn't this be in the blog section?
I'll read it now.
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you want me to read all of that
but yay for coming out 
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Originally posted by Owl
Shouldn't this be in the blog section?
I'll read it now.
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Oh. I didn't know about this. I thought it was about "general discussion" because that's what the article is about.
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you want me to read all of that 
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I'm not forcing you to do so my friend.
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i agree.  there are so many internal issues in the LGBT community.
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Originally posted by GotMyBlueprint
but yay for coming out 
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I'm out for two and a half years now
I'm completely comfortable with myself. It's with the rest of the community as a whole that I'm still not.
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lots of truths in there, sadly.
Especially about gays hating lesbians and vice versa!
but this is blog material.
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Oh my god, THANK YOU for writing this. Despite me being extremely social with people of any race, gender, orientation, and what not, and being well-liked by a lot of people in real life, it was the gay community that bullied me, not the straight community. Even at the age of 18, it's much harder for me to have a conversation with one of my fellow gay people than with a straight person.
Not only that, but some of them are stupid and purposely choose to have bareback sex. God damn it, they are such idiots
Once again, THANK YOU for writing this  A lot of this is exactly how I feel about gays in the community.
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Omg that is a lot of reading 
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It's true. Even some of the gay guys here on ATRL are hilariously moronic about this issue. They disown and disrespect effeminate men and blame them for "giving a bad name to gays" everywhere. Probably because they're afraid to be percieved that way or have been.
I mean, how do you expect society to accept you when you don't even accept other people who are in the same position you're in. It makes no sense.
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Originally posted by Flanders
It's true. Even some of the gay guys here on ATRL are hilariously moronic about this issue. They disown and disrespect effeminate men and blame them for "giving a bad name to gays" everywhere. Probably because they're afraid to be percieved that way or have been.
I mean, how do you expect society to accept you when you don't even accept other people who are in the same position you're in. It makes no sense.
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It's the effeminate gay guys that insult people in the gay community. Some bitch on here named Ale-Alejandro ****ing picked on me because of my weight.
It's hard to fight for our rights when what we do isn't right.
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Originally posted by MusicLoverDude
Oh my god, THANK YOU for writing this. Despite me being extremely social with people of any race, gender, orientation, and what not, and being well-liked by a lot of people in real life, it was the gay community that bullied me, not the straight community. Even at the age of 18, it's much harder for me to have a conversation with one of my fellow gay people than with a straight person.
Not only that, but some of them are stupid and purposely choose to have bareback sex. God damn it, they are such idiots
Once again, THANK YOU for writing this  A lot of this is exactly how I feel about gays in the community.
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I'm happy that you feel the same
I think it's the lack of self-esteem and confusion among them that make them act that way. The community is really messed up.
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lots of truths in there, sadly.
Especially about gays hating lesbians and vice versa!
but this is blog material.
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IKR? I've never understood that lesbians-gay hating thing
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Originally posted by UclaBoi
i agree.  there are so many internal issues in the LGBT community.
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Yup. And most of them don't even realize it
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Originally posted by Flanders
It's true. Even some of the gay guys here on ATRL are hilariously moronic about this issue. They disown and disrespect effeminate men and blame them for "giving a bad name to gays" everywhere. Probably because they're afraid to be percieved that way or have been.
I mean, how do you expect society to accept you when you don't even accept other people who are in the same position you're in. It makes no sense.
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As I said, part of the reason of this problem comes from the society itself. Coming out is still way too hard for many of us - there's a problem. But yeah, I could have talked about the transgenders people. They are, sometimes, more bullied among gays than in the general society!
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DISCLAIMER : I'm not telling in this article that it's a bad thing to try to be in a shape. I am myself what I described in this article - white looking, muscle and not effiminate. That's not the question. The problem is when you're close minded to anything different than that. And I'm not.
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Originally posted by Fadicuss
I wrote this article yesterday and posted it on my Facebook. I had quite an overwhelming response to it and now it's being shared all over. I'm sharing it to you here since I know many of you are gay like me. Feel free to comment. The original text is in French, this is only a meh google translation that I re-checked to make sure it wasn't too bad. I know it's quite long, but try giving it a shot!
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Saturday, January 14th 2012.
Dear gay community,
If you do not know yet, I’m telling you now, I'm gay. It is with difficulty, like many of you, that I accepted this reality, so bitter in my young age. At least, to make me feel less alone, there was the "gay community" to welcome me. That’s what I thought..
This dear gay community. I immediately realized that being different, in a community already at the margin, shall be avoided. Who would have thought that a community fighting for tolerance is in fact one of the most intolerant and closed on its own members. Labels and mold rain in industrial quantities. Do not have the misfortune to be somewhat "effeminate" as a man, the wrath of some homosexuals on you will be appalling. You must be masculine and virile - in fact I have rarely witnessed such a macho community, as surprising as it may seem. The culture of masculinity, muscle and male. The same situation prevails for lesbians - the more feminine you are, the better you will get along. They do not want to be "labeled" as gay, yet they themselves are top-notch labellers. In short, the more you'll look straight, or should I say the very least you'll look too "gay", the more life will be easier for you. Homophobia is closer than we think - open your eyes.
The reluctance of the difference does not stop there. Woe to you if you do not enter into the canons of beauty of this beloved gay community. It's not a big fan of fine and refined dining. It prefers fast food and all-you-can-eat buffet - eat quickly and in large quantities. If you’re thinking to integrate this community, you will need to lose all your extra pounds, at the risk of getting labeled as a freak show. Also, do not have the misfortune to be of a different origin. Often you will hear some display lists of ethnic groups who have no chance with them. Be Caucasian, or at least have a look close to it. That's what saved me. Do not confuse this attitude with racism, only very select preferences. Fan of fast food, but yet very select at the same time - the paradox has definitely no limit.
A community where aging is considered the worst curse of this life. To be homosexual and over 35 years, you will automatically labeled as a pervert looking for young immature to put under your claws. In fact, the most distressing is that there is a part of truth in the preceding sentence, yet so categorical. Lack of self esteem is sure to make them turn to one last breath of youth.
A community where you are asked if you are "top or bottom" before being asked for your name. This is what matters, the rest is futile. Attention to your ego, you might think you are a vulgar commodity. Within a community of eternal hyper hormonal adolescents, the rule is to collect the more one night stands that you can. You would think that after a certain age, maturity would take over and change behaviors, but unfortunately you are terribly wrong. The lack of respect for members for their peers even extends to the bedroom. Indeed, if you succumb to temptation, a vulgar thirty minutes you will become. But then, in this case, both parties are willing. I hope at least.
Some would say that we should not judge, it's their life and body. I say the opposite. I do not condemn them for their actions, but for their unlimited selfishness. By doing so, it’s the entire community that they strangle with the scourge of STIs - including HIV - and a reputation for relentless promiscuity. The biggest losers are in fact those who are not attracted by this fast-food. When they'll meet someone, the possibility of sexually transmitted infections will always haunt them. They do not enjoy the delights of the banquet, but suffer from feeling sick afterwards, in spite of themselves.
Among homosexuals, we fight for marriage, but the majority of us struggle to have a stable relationship of more than one year. More than few months should I say. Me included. A community where we hide our lack of substance by extravagant costumes, glitter, wigs and colors that catch the eye. The more distracted from the person herself you are, the more the subterfuge is a success. Should we really parade for a so called pride? On the one hand, it is critical to never be ashamed of who we are as an individual. But on the other hand, I would never parade for the pride of this community, of which I am seriously ashamed. A community where gays do not like lesbians and vice versa, where one tries to forget the pathetic of the situation by taking the company of many drugs, where you are analyzed as a product on the shelves of a big surface store, etc.. Thus, I choose to parade every day for my individualism.
The real question is whether the gay community really exists. In this collection of anything, it is legitimate to ask ourselves what really unites us, except our sexual orientation. Perhaps the lack of openness maybe. Xenophobia is subtle and only the most experienced can detect it. Nothing to help all these young homosexuals in search of identity, which too often turn themselves to suicide to solve their unhappiness. If only there was a more welcoming and warm community to comfort them!
But, is it appropriate to blame only the members of the community for all those problems? In a society where heterosexuality is the norm, the pill of the difference is difficult to digest. It can be argued that society is more tolerant nowadays, but as long as doing your coming-out is considered like a Herculean ordeal for most of us, a real problem still remains somewhere. It is logical that in this situation, our community is trying to implement the tenets of hetero-normality among its own members. Thus, the homosexual blending into the mass will be accepted, but the one who’s too opposed to the heterosexual norms will be stigmatized. The work to do is on both ways.
Of course, exceptions exist, like everywhere, even in the middle of this jungle. But often, you hear them say that they do not feel full members of the gay community. They feel disconnected. This reflection speaks by itself about the underlying problem that afflicts us. That's how this vicious circle works. Right in the digital age, with lame applications such as Grindr and other means to trivialize the sexual act, the future of our beloved community is bleak my friends. I hope that this text has had the effect of a slap on your face. It is time to wake up before it's too late to repair the damage.
Sincerely, Fadi.
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Every time I see "straight acting" from a gay man's profile on something gay I lose it. There's nothing straight about looking for men to hook up with. Most "straight acting" gays end up being the gayest of the bunch
Anyhow, congrats on coming out! Even though I am already out, your post is inspiring 
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A community where you are asked if you are "top or bottom" before being asked for your name. This is what matters, the rest is futile. Attention to your ego, you might think you are a vulgar commodity. Within a community of eternal hyper hormonal adolescents, the rule is to collect the more one night stands that you can. You would think that after a certain age, maturity would take over and change behaviors, but unfortunately you are terribly wrong. The lack of respect for members for their peers even extends to the bedroom. Indeed, if you succumb to temptation, a vulgar thirty minutes you will become. But then, in this case, both parties are willing. I hope at least.
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A novel? Ugh, let me get my reading glasses.

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How you all make it through school is beyond me.
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Originally posted by Fadicuss
As I said, part of the reason of this problem comes from the society itself. Coming out is still way too hard for many of us - there's a problem. But yeah, I could have talked about the transgenders people. They are, sometimes, more bullied among gays than in the general society!
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I never said anything about transexuals 
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