The handling of B'Day was phenomenal. They rush released Irreplaceable, got Shakira on a track for a huge smash after the success of Hips Don't Lie, they re-released the album, released an anthology CD, etc. Mathew brought life back to the album. The same can't really be said for 4. Say what you want but Mathew was inventive that era and did things that were new and weren't done before to make Beyonce more successful. He worked that era hard. Beyonce is just recycling his tricks with none of the pay off. Mathew is a good manager.

It honestly was a joke. But then it blew up into a whole big thing. Regardless Mathew was her manager until the 4 era. It's ridiculous to believe he had no input on her career during the IASF era. It's just another general case of the Beyonce stans trying to diminish his importance.

I think this thread was to talk about SONGS that flopped .... and not about albums or managers or Grammys !

No one's bashing anyone about the song. They're being stomped for turning this into another "let's bash Beyoncé" thread.

the argument has nothing to do with people disagreeing with opinions but rather a certain someone being off topic and bringing up irrelevant matters. read before you type

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Halo/If I Were a Boy/Sweet Dreams urban?

Even Single Ladies was more pop than urban.

I can't at this child making it seem like Beyonce was doing promo every other day,when even the stans was asking where is Beyonce?.

When did I mention "4"??

Who cares? It's still promo? Promo doesn't not exist after a couple months. Obviously she promoted the album. She did more promo then any other artist in the past two years except for Katy Perry and Lady Gaga.

You clearly haven't looked through the thread. It was about Countdown until other things were dragged in.

wait. i thought we were discussing countdown (as it says in the OP)

Because no one liked it.

it's obvious that people don't know how to read. they just rush in to give their unneeded two cents and cosign other ********. where is it that people are arguing against the fact that countdown flopped?

Monroe is spilling much true tea. I hope y'all are paying attention instead of trying to get a ban on the low.

IKR !

1; When did I bring up her Grammys???
2; I didn't bring up her managers FIRST.
3; I never brought up her album "4"

So what's with the meltdown???Im right on topic and you cant handle (not only mine) but everyones opinion.