I never said they didnt deserve credit...just not as a featured artist when they dont have a presence on the song...but it moreso bothers me that producers who do American dance or pop will eventually follow suit...i actually think that was the goal of the thread, just imagine {Tik Tok ft. Dr Luke}...you dont see Kanye producing tracks and being listed as a featured artist...if you're signed on as a producer it should be just that...

Exactly, they act like because its something thats regularly done in the dance world that it just makes so much sense then...people dont care about who produces the song

What do you mean they don't have a presence in the song? Calvin Harris' production is the centerpiece of We Found Love. Moreover, are we to believe that a song without vocals isn't deserving of an owner? I just don't understand the logic.

Calvin Harris wasn't just a producer on that song. He wrote and produced the entire thing with no other credits to be found. If anything, Rihanna's credit should be in jeopardy, because she sang a few words, probably in the span of a few hours, while Harris defined the entire sound and feel of the song.

If you read what I said earlier I said I understand in the We Found Love situation because his production the best part of the song...but the point is, regardless of Calvin's input Rihanna is who makes the song what it is...

I think i'm gonna just agree to disagree here though...i understand your point of view and to some extent agree but i still dont see the point of producers being featured artists...it only makes sense its their album and they're the lead artist...

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Child I feel like you're always out to get Rihanna, lmfao.

It's ridiculous to me honestly. Either have them sing on the track to deserve their feature or have them stick solely to producing. Song-writers don't get featuring credits for writing the songs, producers don't get credits for producing the sound of the work, artists who are featured usually do something in terms of vocalizing on the work in order to get the feature credit. Calvin Harris and David Guetta are attempting to get credit as artists for doing producers work and that makes no sense what so ever. It was half way justifiable with Timbaland because at least he had spoken parts, but David Guetta and Calvin having no parts in the song and asking to be credited as an artist when all they did was produce the sound of the work is dumb. I don't care if they produce house music and put it all on an LP and "have a body of work" to look at. It still doesn't make any sense. Any producer could make beats and release them under a CD and have it not sell a single copy and be called an "artist." They are still seen to be largely producers.

I'm just not as willing as you to accept that these over-glorified producers are more significant than other producers who know their place in the industry. None of you seem willing to budge from your opinions either. Quite upsetting.

If it's the singer's album, then only the singer should be credited. Producers should only be in the tag if it's their own album.

If they are credited, their other music will get helped.

I think it's okay.

You do realize that a producer essentially makes a song sound the way it does?

If it's producers like deadmau5 etc. who are actual artist themselves, idc.

Because they are already well-known DJ. This can milk the electronica fan-base, which might not interested in plain Pop production.

I've never disputed this fact.

If you don't dispute it ...

The way you speak about producers is really condescending. What you don't understand is, especially in the case of a song like We Found Love, is that THEY are the star.

That's what dance music is. The DJ/Producer is the STAR, they actually compose the song, write the lyrics, and make the beat. Then they just get some random girl/gay to sing on it.

The only difference is the random girl liked it enough to put it on her album. That's it. It still could have been given to anyone else.

The way you speak about vocalists is really condescending. Good luck selling a pop song without vocals.

Why would it be stupid? It would be stupid if the producers weren't artists as well as being producers (like Dr. Luke, Max Martin, RedOne,) but if they are artists themselves in addition to being producers, like Benny Benassi, Calvin Harris, David Guetta, and others, I don't see a problem.

But in this capacity, they are working as producers. As many have pointed out, will.i.am is an artist/producer, but you don't see him slapping his name on all of his productions. He only gets featured on the songs he puts his vocals on. He understands the proper role of a producer