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News: Another College Coach Accused Of Sexual Abuse.
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Another College Coach Accused Of Sexual Abuse.
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SYRACUSE — Bernie Fine, an associate head basketball coach at Syracuse University who has been accused of sexually assaulting a former ball boy, issued a denial Friday through his lawyer, saying, “These allegations are patently false in every aspect.”
The university put Fine on administrative leave Thursday, hours after ESPN reported that the former ball boy, Bobby Davis, now 39, said Fine had molested him “hundreds of times.”
Syracuse has said it conducted an internal investigation when Davis brought the allegations to university officials in 2005 but closed the case after determining the charges could not be corroborated. The ESPN report also said a relative of Davis had since come forward with similar allegations.
The university came under criticism Friday for failing to notify the district attorney’s office or law enforcement other than the campus police. University officials have previously contended that Davis had already gone to the police, and that if any new information had surfaced in their investigation, they would also have come forward.
This did not sit well with William Fitzpatrick, the district attorney in Onondaga County. He told The Post-Standard of Syracuse that the university never contacted his office. Fitzpatrick also told the newspaper that he could not “understand the mind-set,” because authorities would want to know if Fine was in the position to harm others.
At Penn State, where the former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky has been charged with 40 counts of sexually abusing young boys, a similar failure to report the initial allegations there has led to the firing of university officials and the ouster of the longtime coach Joe Paterno.
From her office at the S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications, Brenda Wrigley, chairwoman of the public relations department at Syracuse, said both colleges erred in the way they first investigated.
“If Syracuse wants to conduct an internal investigation, that’s fine,” said Wrigley, who was not speaking on behalf of the university. “But from a perception perspective, there needs to be an independent entity doing an investigation. Because the perception otherwise will be, we investigated ourselves — wink, wink — and you can be assured that everything is perfectly fine.”
In a statement and in a letter to alumni, the university gave its version of the events: In 2005, an adult male told university officials of abuse by Fine in the 1980s and 1990s. He said he went to the Syracuse police, who he said told him the statute of limitations had expired. The university began its own investigation through its legal counsel, which lasted four months. It did not find any evidence to corroborate the claims.
Kevin Quinn, senior vice president for public affairs at Syracuse, declined to address whether the university contacted the police. “We’ve said all we are going to say on the record,” he wrote in an e-mail. “We are cooperating with the Syracuse City Police and have to let that investigation play out.”
Tom Connellan, the Syracuse police spokesman, said, “It’s still a very active investigation.”
The allegations created a stir on campus and eight miles away from the basketball offices, at Fine’s house, where news trucks parked on Tiffany Circle, with vehicles outnumbering the homes by three to one. Cameras pointed at the brown house with a basketball hoop in the driveway and pumpkins on the lawn.
No one had seen Fine, who was recruiting in Florida on Thursday. In his statement, Fine said: “Sadly, we live in an allegation-based society and an Internet age where in a matter of minutes one’s lifelong reputation can be severely damaged. I am confident that, as in the past, a review of these allegations will be discredited and restore my reputation.”
The university, meanwhile, shifted into crisis mode. The basketball team closed its practice. Chancellor Nancy Cantor addressed the issue in a letter to alumni. In the letter, Cantor wrote of the “terrible news that came out of Penn State in the last several weeks.”
She continued: “We know that many question whether or not a university in today’s world can shine a harsh light on its athletics programs. We are aware that many wonder if university administrations are willing to turn a blind eye to wrongdoing that may disrupt a successful sports program. I can assure you, I am not.”
On campus, the allegations dominated conversation, at least for the students who had not yet left for fall break. Friday morning, at the Schine Student Center, a CNN news story about Fine played on television. Several students stopped and watched.
Down the street, Elliott Brannon of Rochester, N.Y., and Brendan Glasheen, of Lowell, Mass., filmed a class project. They, like most of their fellow students, wanted to distinguish between a reopened investigation and the indictment at Penn State.
They said news spread Thursday across campus via social media. And they wanted to believe the longtime basketball coach, Jim Boeheim, who vehemently defended Fine late Thursday night and called the accusers “liars” in an ESPN interview.
“Everyone has this belief, because it’s Jim Boeheim, and he’s been here for so long,” Glasheen said. “It’s like, In Boeheim We Trust. That’s the mentality.”
Some alumni joined Boeheim in standing behind Fine, an assistant with Boeheim for 35 years. George Hicker, now a member of the board of trustees, played basketball with Boeheim at Syracuse in 1964, when Fine served as manager. They have, he said, remained friends.
Hicker noted how The Post-Standard and ESPN investigated this claim in 2003, but declined to publish the allegations because they could not corroborate them. He blamed the news media for jumping to conclusions.
“I don’t see how ESPN should even be able to come out and throw these allegations around,” Hicker said. “No one has agreed with what he said. That’s not the Bernie I know. His mom has had health issues lately, and no matter what this will impact his career for the rest of his life. I think it’s really poor journalism. Let justice run its course.”
Another Newhouse professor, Lawrence Mason, who has taken pictures at Syracuse basketball games since 1978, noted how long Fine and Boeheim had been together.
“Not seeing Bernie Fine on the bench for a basketball game will be a strange feeling,” he said. “That’s been the unshakeable alliance, those two. I shudder to think what Syracuse basketball would be if this took down the whole administration.”
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Who wants to guess his stance on gay marriage?
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I know sexual abuse is rampant as hell, but damn, who can you trust?
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Originally posted by Moonage Daydream
I know sexual abuse is rampant as hell, but damn, who can you trust?
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I'm not really surprise by this,Everything that was hidden and kept secret for many plus years is coming to light.
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Originally posted by Moonage Daydream
I know sexual abuse is rampant as hell, but damn, who can you trust?
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You know what makes me angry, the fact that these are the men who bash us on a daily basis. These are the men that vote against us getting married and yet they go on for years, not only being homosexuals themselves, but being pedophiles, bullies, and abusers. They don't suffer like some of (us) do, and they don't deal with the backlash of being an out homosexual man, yet they do everything in their power to put us into not only a stereotype, but they unknowingly back up their own faux finger pointing by getting caught doing this, which furthers the stereotype of homosexual men being pedophiliac.
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Originally posted by satellites™
You know what makes me angry, the fact that these are the men who bash us on a daily basis. These are the men that vote against us getting married and yet they go on for years, not only being homosexuals themselves, but being pedophiles, bullies, and abusers. They don't suffer like some of (us) do, and they don't deal with the backlash of being an out homosexual man, yet they do everything in their power to put us into not only a stereotype, but they unknowingly back up their own faux finger pointing by getting caught doing this, which furthers the stereotype of homosexual men being pedophiliac.
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From my observations, most homophobes have some serious skeletons laying in their closets. The ones that preach their bigotry the loudest always have something to hide.
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I think they are hurting the reputation of coaches more than they are hurting the gays 
Same with the priests.
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Originally posted by satellites™
You know what makes me angry, the fact that these are the men who bash us on a daily basis. These are the men that vote against us getting married and yet they go on for years, not only being homosexuals themselves, but being pedophiles, bullies, and abusers. They don't suffer like some of (us) do, and they don't deal with the backlash of being an out homosexual man, yet they do everything in their power to put us into not only a stereotype, but they unknowingly back up their own faux finger pointing by getting caught doing this, which furthers the stereotype of homosexual men being pedophiliac.
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Bishop eddie long comes to mind.He preached that homosexual & gay marriage were wrong,come to find out he's sexually abusing young boys.
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Originally posted by cheap
I think they are hurting the reputation of coaches more than they are hurting the gays |
I agree with that partially, but you have to also realize how quickly people will use this as an advantage to attack homosexuality. But still, it's a damn shame a person can't send their 10 year old son to football camp without having to worry about him being molested in todays world.
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Originally posted by ChrisRTW
Bishop eddie long comes to mind.He preached that homosexual & gay marriage were wrong,come to find out he's sexually abusing young boys.
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Don't get me started on him, I can just punch him in the face. And then the NERVE of his congregation defending him and still visiting his church, people really have their **** mixed up.
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Originally posted by satellites™
You know what makes me angry, the fact that these are the men who bash us on a daily basis. They don't suffer like some of (us) do, and they don't deal with the backlash of being an out homosexual man.
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Devil's advocate here:
One has to wonder, perhaps, they're an "evolved" version of a homosexual man. Adapting to social norms, in every sense of the meaning, but conducting their acts behind closed doors. One could argue, they're a "smarter species" of a homosexual male, adapting for survival. Disclaimer: This statement is not condoning or including illegal acts such as sex with a minor.
...Vin
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Devil's advocate here:
One has to wonder, perhaps, they're an "evolved" version of a homosexual man. Adapting to social norms, in every sense of the meaning, but conducting their acts behind closed doors. One could argue, they're a "smarter species" of a homosexual male, adapting for survival. Disclaimer: This statement is not condoning or including illegal acts such as sex with a minor.
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So basically, they're scared and afraid to be themselves in public? That's not very evolved dear, if they were so "ahead of things" they would realize one day being a homosexual will be normal and not frowned upon by the majority.
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Devil's advocate here:
One has to wonder, perhaps, they're an "evolved" version of a homosexual man. Adapting to social norms, in every sense of the meaning, but conducting their acts behind closed doors. One could argue, they're a "smarter species" of a homosexual male, adapting for survival. Disclaimer: This statement is not condoning or including illegal acts such as sex with a minor.
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Vin, ain't nothing "evolved" about pedophiles. They're mental ****-ups, plain and simple.
I will never understand why someone would think to link pedophilia with homosexuality. Men abuse girls, too. Women also abuse boys. But no link to heterosexuality, right?
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Originally posted by satellites™
Don't get me started on him, I can just punch him in the face. And then the NERVE of his congregation defending him and still visiting his church, people really have their **** mixed up.
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Which still blows my mind,at the end of the day his reputation is tarnished,he's still going to preach"the word",and still a hypocritical.
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Originally posted by Moonage Daydream
Vin, ain't nothing "evolved" about pedophiles. They're mental ****-ups, plain and simple.
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So, you just skipped right over that disclaimer, aye?
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Originally posted by satellites™
So basically, they're scared and afraid to be themselves in public? That's not very evolved dear, if they were so "ahead of things" they would realize one day being a homosexual will be normal and not frowned upon by the majority.
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Understood, but again, you can argue it's also a choice to not show "who you are" in public, as well. You can also argue that these men are not "closeted," but perfectly comfortable with their homosexuality, but refuse to let it be known, because that's not the type of person they are -- an open person. For example, someone could be funny and talkative with friends, but cold and distant in public with strangers, that's a choice they make. The same principle can be applied to some homosexual men.
...Vin
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[CENTER]Understood, but again, you can argue it's also a choice to not show "who you are" in public, as well. You can also argue that these men are not "closeted," but perfectly comfortable with their homosexuality, but refuse to let it be known, because that's not the type of person they are -- an open person. For example, someone could be funny and talkative with friends, but cold and distant in public with strangers, that's a choice they make. The same principle can be applied to some homosexual men.
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Yeah, that logic flies out the window when you become known as a pedophile. They're hiding their homosexuality because they're ****ing little kids against their will and because it's against the law, not because they're private or want to stay to themselves. I guarantee he would be an out man if he didn't have that job, and that reputation.
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Originally posted by satellites™
You know what makes me angry, the fact that these are the men who bash us on a daily basis. These are the men that vote against us getting married and yet they go on for years, not only being homosexuals themselves, but being pedophiles, bullies, and abusers. They don't suffer like some of (us) do, and they don't deal with the backlash of being an out homosexual man, yet they do everything in their power to put us into not only a stereotype, but they unknowingly back up their own faux finger pointing by getting caught doing this, which furthers the stereotype of homosexual men being pedophilic.
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Preach--that's the most damaging thing about this annoying cycle.
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So, you just skipped right over that disclaimer, aye?
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So if their preference for children isn't part of the point you're making, then what's the point?
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At first it was the clergymen. Now it's the coaches. I'm sure we will see more instances of this in the upcoming weeks and months. When will these pervs realize that all of their secrets will always come out?
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
At first it was the clergymen. Now it's the coaches. I'm sure we will see more instances of this in the upcoming weeks and months. When will these pervs realize that all of their secrets will always come out?
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I'm just glad for once their is a media bandwagoning that is actually a good one. Suicide and bullying boosts were irritating the **** outta me when they were all over the news, but now I feel like more and more boys will come forward about topics like this, they NEED to be exposed.
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I don't think this will damage homosexuality. It will damage the institutions that are associated with these men though. Penn State is going through major fire right now because of that coaching situation and this will come under fire as well. "Gays being evil or ill" is medieval and anyone who made that argument would be laughed out of any respectable discussion. That stuff can only exist in the deepest, recesses or the south which will probably never change. I would say most people in the younger generation accept gay rights. While it's unfortunate and may not be politically correct thinking, I think gays should be patient and just wait. Wait until the baby boomers die out and they can't vote anymore. I firmly believe that gay rights will be passed as soon as those old bigots of the 50's, 60's and 70's die out.
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