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Album: Lady Gaga - 'Born This Way' (#3)
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Originally posted by Lyzz the Monster
329. Marry the Night - Lady GaGa
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That's great.
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Originally posted by Ra2
I'll be so happy if it gets in the top 100 on radio impact day. 
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Top 200 would be more easy to reach
But I want it to be top 100-150 before the video.
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Originally posted by Ra2
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She is a product. All artists are. I'm merely putting it in a business perspective.
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I so ****ing disagree with this. I mean, just no. Art is something so different to economics or business imo.
And about the iTunes positions and charts, yes I'm getting a little more involved in them, but I will never consider them above artistry or music quality. Don't get me wrong, this is just my opinion: One of the disadvatages of the Internet in music is the quite easy and quick access to sales and charts. I'm sure that the fans from the Beatles and Elvis from the 1960s and 1970s were not saying "Oh look how our favorite artist is not selling the same as in his first albums. Oh, he didn't score a number one. What a flop for Elvis and The Beatles. They're the biggest act out there, and they didn't get the number one with their new single. They have lost it". I still think people didn't pay as much attention to the sales in the 1980s, in the times of MJ and Madonna, as fans do now. Again, this is just my opinion and you can perfectly disagree with it, but I think that the easier access to sales is becoming something negative for most music fans.
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That boy is a MONSTER! m-m-m-monster! 
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Originally posted by Relative
I don't know about anyone else but I understand what you are saying and I can see that very clearly. Since I've been following Gaga since at least the TFM era it's clear that the public no longer cares for Gaga as much as they did in the last 2 years. But I'm not surprised. To most people she has not evolved much since TFM (at least not in the direction they wanted) and has become a bit stale. But, whatever, to jump from 200s to #50 on iTunes is big enough for me. I really don't need to see her get another #1 this era.
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I think it's more that she evolved too fast (and definitely in the direction people didn't want).
Now don't get me wrong again, I love Born This Way. Favorite album with TFM.
I do wish that Gaga would create a fun album to listen to though. One that's not too artistic like the masterpieces BM and TEOG.
Gaga's music is very dense, dark, and all-consuming. Her music can turn into an obsession, but on the same token, her music can be tiring for a listener. When I listen to Gaga, I usually have to listen to another artist afterwards.
Even on The Fame, Gaga's songs have a certain density to them. They're very artful (i.e. Poker Face, Paparazzi).
I'd like to see her create more "Just Dance"s. Not necessarily a generic pop record, but something that captures that silly side of Gaga that every Gaga-stan has come to appreciate and love about Gaga. She's a really fun individual, and I wish that would transcend to her music.
Again, I'm not disappointed by Born This Way the album by any means. It's a strong release. I just want something different from Gaga.
I hope that makes sense to everyone without people immediately going off on me, stating that y'know, I want Gaga to be a generic pop star, blah blah blah.
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The impact and position of MTN in the UK is nothing short of amazing. She has ****** AI and no video. She has 2-3 other performances scheduled for coming weeks, this is going to help her a good deal, and BAM... The video for a top 10 peak
Same with US, though I wish she had some more promo in the US before the video.
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Originally posted by Lord Americano
I so ****ing disagree with this. I mean, just no. Art is something so different to economics or business imo.
And about the iTunes positions and charts, yes I'm getting a little more involved in them, but I will never consider them above artistry or music quality. Don't get me wrong, this is just my opinion: One of the disadvatages of the Internet in music is the quite easy and quick access to sales and charts. I'm sure that the fans from the Beatles and Elvis from the 1960s and 1970s were not saying "Oh look how our favorite artist is not selling the same as in his first albums. Oh, he didn't score a number one. What a flop for Elvis and The Beatles. They're the biggest act out there, and they didn't get the number one with their new single. They have lost it". I still think people didn't pay as much attention to the sales in the 1980s, in the times of MJ and Madonna, as fans do now. Again, this is just my opinion and you can perfectly disagree with it, but I think that the easier access to sales is becoming something negative for most music fans.
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I'm going to ask you yet again to take a look at what I said, "Looking at it from a business perspective." If you analyze what's going on purely on a numbers standpoint, everything I said was on point.
Sure, you can't judge Art the way I analyzed Gaga's influence. And I never attempted to judge her Art. The results of her art however can most definitely be analyzed in a bussiness or economics way.
In terms of the music industry and top 40 radio, Gaga has lost her spark. There is no arguing that. Nothing you're going to say about how amazing the album is, how artful it is, how it's something Gaga worked very hard on, is going to change the fact that it is not something that interests people into the "brand" Lady Gaga.
However, in an "artistic" sense or a sentimental sense, as a fan, you're seeing that it's art, that it's beautiful. And it most certainly is. I think BTW is the most progression we've seen from Gaga yet, and there's indications that we're only in store for more of that in the future. I love pretty much everything that Gaga does with the exception of a few things here or there. I love her art. However, it's clear that most other people don't, or that they aren't as interested as I am. 
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Originally posted by J a y
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I give up. 
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Originally posted by J a y
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This is going to remind me of Gaga, I eat these during the holidays 
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Originally posted by Oshiish
The impact and position of MTN in the UK is nothing short of amazing. She has ****** AI and no video. She has 2-3 other performances scheduled for coming weeks, this is going to help her a good deal, and BAM... The video for a top 10 peak
Same with US, though I wish she had some more promo in the US before the video.
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If her promo can keep MTN afloat on iTunes until the video premiere, it'll be a smash hit, top 10, maybe top 5.
I'm starting to think that is Interscope's strategy, and the reason why they haven't bothered with the US yet (because they know with promo + video release + radio picking it up naturally, it'll be fine). With the UK + Europe finally getting into a Gaga single, everything should fall into place.
I really do hope that MTN becomes a massive WW hit, and I really think it will be!
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Originally posted by J a y
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That outfit though. 
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Originally posted by Ra2
I think it's more that she evolved too fast (and definitely in the direction people didn't want).
Now don't get me wrong again, I love Born This Way. Favorite album with TFM.
I do wish that Gaga would create a fun album to listen to though. One that's not too artistic like the masterpieces BM and TEOG.
Gaga's music is very dense, dark, and all-consuming. Her music can turn into an obsession, but on the same token, her music can be tiring for a listener. When I listen to Gaga, I usually have to listen to another artist afterwards.
Even on The Fame, Gaga's songs have a certain density to them. They're very artful (i.e. Poker Face, Paparazzi).
I'd like to see her create more "Just Dance"s. Not necessarily a generic pop record, but something that captures that silly side of Gaga that every Gaga-stan has come to appreciate and love about Gaga. She's a really fun individual, and I wish that would transcend to her music.
Again, I'm not disappointed by Born This Way the album by any means. It's a strong release. I just want something different from Gaga.
I hope that makes sense to everyone without people immediately going off on me, stating that y'know, I want Gaga to be a generic pop star, blah blah blah.
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I just want her to be happy with the music she is making to be honest, she looks like shes having a better time now than she did say a year ago to two years ago when she lost all that weight and such.
I think that the BTW album would have been much better with a little less production and a little less tracks, the special edition was not necessary in my opinion. 17 tracks like rle
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Originally posted by Oshiish
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FF winning the poll.
Edit: nevermind! 
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Originally posted by Wepamiso
I just want her to be happy with the music she is making to be honest, she looks like shes having a better time now than she did say a year ago to two years ago when she lost all that weight and such.
I think that the BTW album would have been much better with a little less production and a little less tracks, the special edition was not necessary in my opinion. 17 tracks like rle
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I think the reason the album doesn't appeal to some people is because Gaga works so hard to make everything perfect to the point that she over does it. Lol. Kind of how I tend to over-analyze everything.
I think another part of it is that she's always working on new music and she waited so long to release BTW and what not, which was understandable.
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Originally posted by ALA
FF winning the poll.
Edit: nevermind! 
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Thank God.
I originally saw FF winning, and I just couldn't.
The Monster Ball is legendary.
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Originally posted by Oshiish
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I gave my ounce of justice Oshiish. 
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Ok. I love you monsters, but I gotta go to bed.
I just heard Taylor Swift attempting to rap, and I just can't.

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