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Discussion: Artists Allowing Themselves To Flop
Member Since: 12/31/2010
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Artists Allowing Themselves To Flop
Apparently some individuals who found love in a hopeless place have decided that they would be giving their fanbase a new album, as usual, quite early. The lead single does really well with absolutely no promotion and minimal hype minus a few "it might be released tomorrow" rumors. Manages to go 16-9-7-6-2 and has a good chance of hitting #1 and being this certain's individual's 11th #1 in about 5 1/2 years. Awesome, right?
No, because Ms. Love In A Hopeless Place doesn't know how to promote anymore. A certain song she sang on American Idol and in a buzz-building performance with a country artist.. was released as a single a month or so after it was performed at those two places. I mean, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? Not only that, but you released two at the same time and didn't even promote the second one! Sis, I repeat, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
This person and their ****** record label are expecting fans to do all the damn work as if they're getting paid to promote their ****. The stanbase can only do so much, ma'am. What works better: A crazy Christian extremists telling you about Jesus expecting you to understand (a stan telling you about this individual), or actually getting a sermon and getting a raw example of God/Jesus/etc (promotion, live performances, anything productive). I don't care if you're on tour, Gaga fit in a million and a half things in her tour to promote her songs, both from The Fame Monster and Born This Way, so Hopeless Place lovers do not even try to come at me with that excuse, cause I've seen the success found in promoting first hand.
Now a problem exists. This woman is the most popular black popstar in the world and arguably the most popular pop singer in the world of any ethnicity minus maybe Gaga. Shading her for not getting a #1 album in her own country is getting hella old, sure, but it's still true. And she has longevity, but there's just something about a #1 album that's better than a #3 album, and you can get that from promoting your stuff and not expecting only the hardcore fans and stans to buy it and hope that your first three singles to garner enough buzz for people to just skim iTunes and see if you have a new album out that could interest people.
No bitch, that's not right. MAKE them ****ers DROP to their knees after seeing you slay that **** from a performance and cause them to post their meltdowns on Facebook crying about how they have to wait for your new album for another three weeks. As your stan, I want that. I want people to know that you're coming out with a new album on November 21st of 2011 in the US, and not just be like "LOLOLOL YAY A NEW SONG ON THE RADIO!" cause if another person asks me if the song about finding love in a hopeless place is on your fifth album's deluxe edition I'm gonna ring their necks with my bare hands.
For those who think "lt;dr," here's the main synopsis:
Rihanna, get your lazy Bajan cooch off of Dudley's manhood and go promote your god damn album.
So, let's discuss the main topic of this all. Is promotion important or can artists get by with general nonsense and hope fans 'talk that talk' enough to be successful?
I mean, if she flops this time, what if she starts touring at WalMart, I just don't know what I'd do..
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Member Since: 12/31/2010
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Now I know I did not waste 15 minutes just for my rant to flop.
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Member Since: 5/11/2010
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It is too late to read all that. Sorry, sis. 
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Member Since: 10/7/2011
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I'm guessing your referring to Talk That Talk?
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Member Since: 6/25/2011
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I am here for the Rihanna stans to go through an era as turbulent as the GaGa stans did this year. These rants are only the beginning of the true gold we'll see in the coming months.
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Member Since: 8/7/2010
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Bitch, the word artists is plural in the title. I come to a thread that focuses solely on hating on Rihanna. LOVES IT.
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Member Since: 12/31/2010
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Originally posted by Devil
It is too late to read all that. Sorry, sis. |
I made the tl;dr especially for the lazy ones. Read it heaux.
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Originally posted by Kats
I'm guessing your referring to Talk That Talk?
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Member Since: 12/31/2010
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Originally posted by TakeItOff!
Bitch, the word artists is plural in the title. I come to a thread that focuses solely on hating on Rihanna. LOVES IT.
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Hating on Rihanna? I wouldn't say that. I'd say more along the lines of clocking my fave's stupid decisions as an artist. But I wanted it to be more open-ended and if anyone wanted to discuss any other artists that pull a TTT. 
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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Artists reach a point where they are successful enough to put out an album and sell well with no promo where as other artists can put out an album with very heavy promo but still not sell well.
I Think "Talk That Talk" will not flop but it will not sell as much as Rihanna would be expected to sell.
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Member Since: 1/6/2011
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Björk hasn't really promoted Biophilia. 
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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I agree, if she thinks all of her singles will do well she will stop promoting because there wont be a hunger for hits anymore.
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Member Since: 12/31/2010
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
I am here for the Rihanna stans to go through an era as turbulent as the GaGa stans did this year. These rants are only the beginning of the true gold we'll see in the coming months.
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I have two more potential rants. One is when the album comes out and if it's not epic. The other is if it underperforms in the US. After that, I'm pulling a Disturbia and pretending like I don't know true teas anymore.
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Originally posted by medosuxx
Artists reach a point where they are successful enough to put out an album and sell well with no promo where as other artists can put out an album with very heavy promo but still not sell well.
I Think "Talk That Talk" will not flop but it will not sell as much as Rihanna would be expected to sell.
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But has Rihanna really hit that point? Is she a Mary J Blige or a Nickelback that has an established fanbase that won't just illegally download it? Promoting is the safest and smartest way to go and she's choosing to take a risk when it's not even a good think to choose to gamble with; it's not music choice with Rated R's style shift or being edgy or something with the red hair. It's trying to be successful without promotion, and it's flatout dumb.
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Member Since: 5/25/2010
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I think she needs to have a number one
album this time around. It's that simple.
And I remember stating that I find nothing wrong in releasing albums back to back to back because Rihanna is young and wants to work, but now I would like to amend that original statement. If the quality suffers, then an artist should definitely take a break. There is no quality, whatsoever, in "We Found Love." Of all of the singles in 2011, it's one of, if not, the most generic. The success is equivalent to the success of the "Born This Way" single -- it's all due to hype and not quality.
...Vin
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
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Talk will do fine. It will sell at least 3-4 million copies based off of very good reception she got from Loud alone.
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Member Since: 11/2/2010
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She really rushed the start of this era...I mean WFL has only been around for a month. I'm sure she'll do her run of the mill promo the week of the album release (letterman, gma or some other venue(s)). Idk if she can outdo Loud's sales this time around because I do think that people still think that WFL is on Loud or Loud"er". We'll see what happens...I hope she can do 250k first week but I think that's a stretch
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Member Since: 3/27/2009
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She needs to promote TTT because I have a strange suspicion that people don't even know it's a new era, sans avid music followers as ourselves.
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Member Since: 12/31/2010
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Originally posted by satellites™
I agree, if she thinks all of her singles will do well she will stop promoting because there wont be a hunger for hits anymore.
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I think it's a combo of her getting lazy and secretly wanting a time to relax and Def Jam just being a ****ing mess as usual.
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Originally posted by Vin
I think she needs to have a number one
album this time around. It's that simple.
And I remember stating that I find nothing wrong in releasing albums back to back to back because Rihanna is young and wants to work, but now I would like to amend that original statement. If the quality suffers, then an artist should definitely take a break. There is no quality, whatsoever, in "We Found Love." Of all of the singles in 2011, it's one of, if not, the most generic. The success is equivalent to the success of the "Born This Way" single -- it's all due to hype and not quality.
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While I disagree with WFL not having quality and being the most generic single of 2011, as well as it being hyped up to get its success, I agree completely with the taking a break if quality isn't there. I'm skeptical of Rihanna being able to go from Rated R to Loud in a year and then bounce back another year later and trying to get something fresh. If she got her break, she'd give not only better music but be less stressed and less busy in the midst of still being in the recording studio and being on tour for the previous album. She's put herself in such a muck and she's gonna have to find time at this point to promote to distinguish "alright, we're now in the Talk That Talk era, not the Loud era," cause to be honest people like Katy Perry and Beyonce can last well over a year, work on another album for 8 months to a year (or even more), and then start promoting it and Rihanna wants to get eras done and move onto the next one IN a year. I love you Rih, but I'm not gonna hate you if you take a little break to ensure you're on your REAL A-game for an album.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Get used to it! This is the extent of the 'promo' we'll be getting from here on out until Rihanna decides to take a break. There's no way she can continue to drop an album every year and do anywhere close to the level of promo that GaGa/Katy do without risking being overexposed to the public. I've said this before and I'll say it again, Rihanna and Def Jam have found a formula that works for them....new music+new image+little promo=successful era. And because Rihanna and her music is still in high demand by the public, this formula works and is actually a savvy business move.
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Member Since: 6/15/2011
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I remember she tweeted some person that she will stop until she's tired, but if bitch is going to keep working she has to do it right 
I doubt TTT will outsell Loud tbh, but I expect it to sell at least 3M 
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 9/25/2011
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I think she and her label want to remain relevant, and that only happens by constantly releasing albums every year or year and a half. Not in vain, Rated R took some extra time due to her personal issues and it flopped (comparing to GGGB). Now she's really big again, they probably don't want to make the same "mistake". However, I think she needs to take a year off just to rest and stop being obsessed with being relevant all the time. Taking things easier would be good for her, and perhaps even for her music.
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