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Discussion: "Manufactured" Artists
Member Since: 7/13/2010
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Originally posted by BadBitch
DEATH! Just because she don't write or produce doesn't mean she's manufactured. If she was a label puppet she would've never recorded Man Down, CKB etc. Let alone have them as singles in a world full of only DANCE tracks atm. Rihanna already proved she's FAR from a label puppet. What label puppet goes around talking like she does on Twitter? Bye. 
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Ckb, although I think its well written, is a generic pop ballad that sounds like big girls don't cry, that didn't help your case
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Member Since: 6/4/2010
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Why would her label go against Rihanna and how she portrays herself in the public eye and when she speaks? She's been building this "bad bitch" persona for awhile and the way she acts on her social sites obviously reflects that. If they were ran by some assistant posting proper english and robotic album updates it would just make her look contrived.
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Member Since: 6/23/2008
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I don't think "manufactured" should be considered such a dirty word around these parts. None of us are stanning for nobodies signed to Purple Squirrel Entertainment.
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Member Since: 10/28/2009
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
No one said she didn't have any control over her music. That doesn't mean she's not manufactured, like he said. She's still manufactured just like all of the pop girls. She has to follow the doctor's orders like all of the patients.
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well yes, all of them are manufactured. we all agreed on that.
just that they are manufactured to different degrees.
I actually have no clue where I would place Rihanna in the spectrum.
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Originally posted by Kats
Cause you can't refute what I say this is your excuse? Cute.
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Gurl....
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Member Since: 6/10/2010
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Originally posted by IWasHere
Her revamp image was a big part of her success.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
Not saying I agree or disagree with my sis, but it gives him the leg up a bit in presenting his case.
Executive producer implies that she chooses what songs make the final tracklisting, theme, etc etc and along with creative director she decides what image she wants to put out. That, coupled with her "whorish" and "silly, party girl" personality on Twitter leads to evidence that this happy go lucky **** image is more "her" than Rated R was. She even said in an interview that she was tired of having to put on the "dark emo" act for Rated R iirc.
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Member Since: 10/28/2009
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Originally posted by Nicole
This isn't about Rihanna specifically, but executive producer is the broadest credit there is. It can mean an aritst who is very hands on, or an artist with a good lawyer who gets him/her an automatic exec producer credit on their contract.
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Now do you think Rihanna is smart enough to involve lawyers for a credit?
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by Hi.Def
Pretty much everyone in here is in agreement that their favorite artist is manufactured, some more than others. You sound upset.
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I'm saying... Most fans are acknowledging that fact. 
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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All popstars from all around the world are manufactured. It's the name of the game.
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Member Since: 3/9/2011
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For me, a manufactured artist is rather the one who doesn't have any participation in their music production process or the ones who actually don't want to be there doing the music they're doing. Another way to be manufactured is when artists create a certain image to become popular, Gaga for example. She wouldn't be as famous as she is without her image.
So, they're all manufactured in some way.
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Member Since: 6/10/2010
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Originally posted by Hi.Def
Why would her label go against Rihanna and how she portrays herself in the public eye and when she speaks? She's been building this "bad bitch" persona for awhile and the way she acts on her social sites obviously reflects that. If they were ran by some assistant posting proper english and robotic album updates it would just make her look contrived.
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What 17 year old breaks away from the cutsy, innocent look without there labels concern. To be a "bad bitch" and get away with it? Miley tried it and failed. Demi tried and failed. So have many others with the fake innocent persona. Rihanna is nobody's puppets. Her label had no choice but to go with it.
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Member Since: 5/25/2010
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I won't accept the answer: "They're all manufactured." But I do find the answer,
"They're all manufactured in some way," interesting. I pose the question:
In what way, specifically, is your "fave" manufactured?
...Vin
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Member Since: 10/7/2011
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Originally posted by IfICannot Love♥
Gurl....
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Whatever. 
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Member Since: 1/12/2011
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Originally posted by BadBitch
DEATH! Just because she don't write or produce doesn't mean she's manufactured. If she was a label puppet she would've never recorded Man Down, CKB etc. Let alone have them as singles in a world full of only DANCE tracks atm. Rihanna already proved she's FAR from a label puppet. What label puppet goes around talking like she does on Twitter? Bye.
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The purpose of LOUD was to connect with her Urban fanbase. That was why Man Down was released (It was also a fan favourite). CKB is also a generic pop ballad. It also had crossover potential.
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Originally posted by BadBitch
What 17 year old breaks away from the cutsy, innocent look without there labels concern. To be a "bad bitch" and get away with it? Miley tried it and failed. Demi tried and failed. So have many others with the fake innocent persona. Rihanna is nobody's puppets. Her label had no choice but to go with it.
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Miley & Demi were with Disney and have been building their fan bases since they were very young. Did anyone ever have a problem with a 16 year old Rihanna showing off her cleavage? No. No one even had a problem with her short shorts or stomach showing. They come from different worlds and are/were viewed different by the public. Christina and Brit would be a better comparison. And guess what? Going sexy worked for them. It worked in the past and I don't see why RIhanna's label would have thought it wouldn't have worked for her.
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Member Since: 3/21/2010
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Originally posted by Nicole
Before then, Britney was a supposed virgin in a Catholic school outfit who tried her damnest to provoke and get everyone hot and bothered. That all was VERY planned and put together.
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but the thing is, it was BRITNEYS idea about the school girl skirt in the catholic school for her music video. Not her record labels.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by Vin
I won't accept the answer: "They're all manufactured." But I do find the answer,
"They're all manufactured in some way," interesting. I pose the question:
In what way, specifically, is your "fave" manufactured?
...Vin |
Maybe my definition is weird, but they're all on major labels and have to get permission from an higher-up before doing something. They have little control over promo spots, they work with big producers, etc. They are "products" or at least their music is, so they or it will be manufactured to a degree. They have to be sold. Now puppets are something a bit more deeper.
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Member Since: 3/9/2011
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Quote:
Originally posted by Vin
I won't accept the answer: "They're all manufactured." But I do find the answer,
"They're all manufactured in some way," interesting. I pose the question:
In what way, specifically, is your "fave" manufactured?
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Britney doens't have all the control of her career for example. As you said before she isn't manufactured in the sense she doesn't give a **** about her image and she acts as human being in front of the spotlight and actually she's very creative. Let's not forget she made the concept of her most iconic videos aka BOMT and Toxic. If she was really a puppet she wouldn't be as succesful and iconic as she is.
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Member Since: 5/25/2010
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Maybe my definition is weird, but they're all on major labels and have to get permission from an higher-up before doing something. They have little control over promo spots, they work with big producers, etc. They are "products" or at least their music is, so they or it will be manufactured to a degree. They have to be sold. Now puppets are something a bit more deeper.
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By your standards, the only way to not be manufactured is to create
your own label and release music through your own label.
...Vin
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by Vin
By your standards, the only way to not be manufactured is to create
your own label and release music through your own label.
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Basically what I was going to edit and put in my post.
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Member Since: 6/10/2010
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Originally posted by crumprKID
The purpose of LOUD was to connect with her Urban fanbase. That was why Man Down was released (It was also a fan favourite). CKB is also a generic pop ballad. It also had crossover potential.
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LOUD had nothing to do with her Urban Fanbase neither did Man Down. It was released because of the fans. She could careless of it flopped. That logic would apply to every Popstar releasing urban esque music. If it was true.
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Originally posted by crumprKID
Miley & Demi were with Disney and have been building their fan bases since they were very young. Did anyone ever have a problem with a 16 year old Rihanna showing off her cleavage? No. No one even had a problem with her short shorts or stomach showing. They come from different worlds and are/were viewed different by the public. Christina and Brit would be a better comparison. And guess what? Going sexy worked for them. It worked in the past and I don't see why RIhanna's label would have thought it wouldn't have worked for her.
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Rihanna went to Kids/Teen Choice awards, Teen Choice all those other award shows marked at kids. Rihanna was market as a little mini Beyonce. Pon De Replay was marketed & teens along with the majority of her two album. Yes Rihanna did sexy but it was in a very settle & undertone way. She wasn't singing about S&M at the time. Miley tried and failed when she released CTB over doing the sexy apparling with Faux Lesbian Kiss & showing her bra in her videos. Rihanna never did any of those things to that extreme before GGGB.
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