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ATRL: Reinvention, Evolution or Static [Rihanna]
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Reinvention, Evolution or Static [Rihanna]
In this thread we will look at one artist at a time, discussing how the artist progresses from era to era and their overall career progress. You will claim whether the artist reinvented, evolved, devolved and/or was static.
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from [era 1] to [era 2], this artist evolved because ____
from [era 2] to [era 3], this artist reinvented because ____
in their overall career this artist was static because ______
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You can look at the progress of the artist from whatever perspective you would like- whether it be stylistically, in era theme, or how involved they are with the music creation process. You can look at it from the way the era was presented to the general public or on a track by track basis. Etc etc
Believe it or not, an artist can be more than one at the same time. For example, if an artist sings about sucking dick over Timbaland hip-hop beats and in the next era they sing about sucking dick over Ryan Tedder piano ballad beats, they both reinvented their sound production-wise but stayed static lyrically. ----------------------------------
What is reinvention? Reinvention is a drastic change in look and/or sound. If the artist is singing MoTown styled songs one era and techno pop the next, they reinvented themselves in a stylistic manner.
What is evolution? Evolution lends itself to a more natural progression compared to the sometimes contrived reinventor. An artist singing about being in the club @ 18 might want to sing about love @ 30 because of their natural maturing.
What is devolution? Destruction of the progress an artist made. In this case the artist dumbs themselves down or becomes less involved with their next era compared to the involvement they had in their previous era.
What is static? Virtually not changing. Staying the same.
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First artist up: Britney Spears
From "Baby" to "Oops"
From "Oops" to "Britney"
From "Britney" to "In The Zone"
From "In The Zone" to "Blackout"
From "Blackout" to "Circus"
From "Circus" to "Femme Fatale"
From 1999-present
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From "Baby" to "Oops" - static. The production and maturity on "Oops" was a little better though, I think.
From "Oops" to "Britney" - evolution. While some songs showed signs of reinvention, it was mostly pop with traces of urban.
From "Britney" to "In The Zone" - reinvention. This is the first mature album Brit made, and def more urban than the rest.
From "In The Zone" to "Blackout" - reinvention, 100%. The differences between these albums are strikingly different but they are both masterpieces.
From "Blackout" to "Circus" - evolution. It was different from Blackout, but it wasn't a Britney we hadn't seen before. There was also some devolution, but coming off from Blackout, it was expected.
From "Circus to "Femme Fatale" - evolution. It was just a natural, smooth progression from Circus to FF, some songs sound similar but overall they have their own distinct sounds. Also, there was some obvious devolution in order for Brit to stay mainstream.
From 1999-present - REINVENTION.
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Member Since: 7/21/2007
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BOMT - OIDIA - static
Britney - evolution
ITZ - reinvention
Blackout - reinvention
Circus - evolution
Femme Fatale - evolution/static
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From "Baby" to "Oops" evolution, the change was not dramatic
From "Oops" to "Britney" evolution, she was evolving as an artist, she stopped being this little girl
From "Britney" to "In The Zone" Reinvention> total change of sound and more mature lyrics
From "In The Zone" to "Blackout" Reinvention, Total change of sound again
From "Blackout" to "Circus" Devolution A mess
From "Circus" to "Femme Fatale" Static Dr Luke 
True tea spilled
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From "Baby" to "Oops": Static
From "Oops" to "Britney": Evolution
From "Britney" to "In The Zone": Reinvention
From "In The Zone" to "Blackout": Reinvention
From "Blackout" to "Circus": Evolution
From "Circus" to "Femme Fatale": Image: Static Sound: Evolution
From 1999-present: Evolution
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Originally posted by Aaron
From "Blackout" to "Circus" - evolution. It was different from Blackout, but it wasn't a Britney we hadn't seen before. There was also some devolution, but coming off from Blackout, it was expected.
From "Circus to "Femme Fatale" - evolution. It was just a natural, smooth progression from Circus to FF, some songs sound similar but overall they have their own distinct sounds. Also, there was some obvious devolution in order for Brit to stay mainstream.
From 1999-present - REINVENTION. |
Interesting perspective... I never thought of Britney as an overall reinventor 
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Originally posted by RainMan
BOMT - OIDIA - static
Britney - evolution
ITZ - reinvention
Blackout - reinvention
Circus - evolution
Femme Fatale - evolution/static
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From BOMT to Oops - Static
From Oops - Britney - Evolution. (She started writing more and the album had more urban type songs on it)
From Britney to ITZ - Reinvention. (Her creative peak, she wrote more, she composed and co-produced songs and the album was just completely different to anything she had done and what was out there, it was really ahead of its time. Her image also as a little girl was just completely shattered during this era as well, it was the end of her transformation into a woman. It was also her dancing peak - eg. MATM)
From ITZ - Blackout - Reinvention (Again the sound for blackout was new, fresh and just different to what was out there at the time. Nothing like she had done before)
From Blackout to Circus - Evolution.
From Circus to Femme Fatale - Devolution. (She wasn't really involved in either projects but moreso in circus it seems. Circus while it has its flaws actually feels like a 'Britney' album, femme fatale doesn't tbh. )
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Originally posted by Chemist
From "Baby" to "Oops" evolution, the change was not dramatic
True tea spilled |
why not static tho? Fill me in sis.
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BOMT to O!IDIA - static
To Britney - Evolution
To ITZ - Reinvention
To Blackout - Devolution
To Circus - Reinvention
To FF - Static
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
why not static tho? Fill me in sis. |
Songs like Stronger and Don't Let me Be the last to know would have never been in BOMT
BOMT was a cute but quite basic teen pop album, oops was wayyy better and her music stopped being basic, well until her 7th album
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From "Baby" to "Oops": Static, tbh I don't see the evolution. Just cause she was wearing a catsuit as opposed to a schoolgirl outfit, it was still bubblegum pop
From "Oops" to "Britney": Reinvention, just look at Oops... vs. I'm a Slave 4 U. Completely different
From "Britney" to "In The Zone": Evolution, the logical continuation of Britney, perfected in execution.
From "In The Zone" to "Blackout": Reinvention, completely different sound, from Urban to Electro
From "Blackout" to "Circus": Regression
From "Circus" to "Femme Fatale": Better in quality than Circus, but still static. Very similar sounds, nowhere near as experimentative as Blackout. True evolution only on 2 or 3 tracks, not showcased by the singles at all. I think that also matters because it shows that her label is trying to show the side of Britney to the public that they already know (TTWE, IWG), so in that way the singles also do matter.
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From "Baby" to "Oops" - static. As the title on Oops says. She's doing the same thing again
From "Oops" to "Britney" - evolution. Britney's starting to mature, and taking on a more urban shound
From "Britney" to "In The Zone" - evolution. Britney goes even more urban and is now fully matured
From "In The Zone" to "Blackout" - reinvention, Blackout is a completely different album than ITZ however I don't think she was "all there" for this album
From "Blackout" to "Circus" - evolution. Britney. is. back. You can tell in the Circus MV that she is back on top of things.
From "Circus to "Femme Fatale" - evolution. Songs continue to expand and she starts to experiment with new influences while keeping the "Circus" sound
From 1999-present - REINVENTION.
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Britney evolved from baby to blackout...
circus and femme are static but still good.
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Originally posted by Dephira
From "Baby" to "Oops": Static, tbh I don't see the evolution. Just cause she was wearing a catsuit as opposed to a schoolgirl outfit, it was still bubblegum pop
From "Oops" to "Britney": Reinvention, just look at Oops... vs. I'm a Slave 4 U. Completely different
From "Britney" to "In The Zone": Evolution, the logical continuation of Britney, perfected in execution.
From "In The Zone" to "Blackout": Reinvention, completely different sound, from Urban to Electro
From "Blackout" to "Circus": Regression
From "Circus" to "Femme Fatale": Better in quality than Circus, but still static. Very similar sounds, nowhere near as experimentative as Blackout. True evolution only on 2 or 3 tracks, not showcased by the singles at all. I think that also matters because it shows that her label is trying to show the side of Britney to the public that they already know (TTWE, IWG), so in that way the singles also do matter.
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Totally agreed.
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Originally posted by Chemist
Songs like Stronger and Don't Let me Be the last to know would have never been in BOMT
BOMT was a cute but quite basic teen pop album, oops was wayyy better and her music stopped being basic, well until her 7th album |
Hmm, you have a point. I've never heard "Oop" besides the singles tho cuz i feared it would be "basic teen pop." I might have to.
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Member Since: 9/23/2009
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dephira
From "Baby" to "Oops": Static, tbh I don't see the evolution. Just cause she was wearing a catsuit as opposed to a schoolgirl outfit, it was still bubblegum pop
From "Oops" to "Britney": Reinvention, just look at Oops... vs. I'm a Slave 4 U. Completely different
From "Britney" to "In The Zone": Evolution, the logical continuation of Britney, perfected in execution.
From "In The Zone" to "Blackout": Reinvention, completely different sound, from Urban to Electro
From "Blackout" to "Circus": Regression
From "Circus" to "Femme Fatale": Better in quality than Circus, but still static. Very similar sounds, nowhere near as experimentative as Blackout. True evolution only on 2 or 3 tracks, not showcased by the singles at all. I think that also matters because it shows that her label is trying to show the side of Britney to the public that they already know (TTWE, IWG), so in that way the singles also do matter.
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Using Britney's history, this means her 8th album will be the re-invention we've all waited for.
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Originally posted by ifyouseekLEM
Using Britney's history, this means her 8th album will be the re-invention we've all waited for.
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just dont shade her when she does a guitar filled album with angsty songs. 
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Originally posted by ifyouseekLEM
Using Britney's history, this means her 8th album will be the re-invention we've all waited for.
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I could see it. Her label was more confident after Circus was a success but wasn't it her last album with them? So they would've wanted to milk her for all she's worth, which means making a more or less generic album with more or less generic singles. Maybe her next label will be more kind to her artistic growth
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