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Discussion: Reasoning: Adele over Florence
Member Since: 7/3/2011
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Originally posted by Bea.
That what is a bad thing? Being a niche artist? I'm not implying that it is a bad thing. Please read all of my posts if you want to get into it, I really don't want to repeat myself. I'm saying Adele's mainstream success won't last and I feel that Florence has the potential to last longer in the mainstream world due to her variety.
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I think you should allow her to FIND mainstream success before you make bold comments like that. I don't think mainstream will ever be here for her. She'll get some good press here and there but it will quickly fade.
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Originally posted by DejaVu
I think you should allow her to FIND mainstream success before you make bold comments like that. I don't think mainstream will ever be here for her. She'll get some good press here and there but it will quickly fade.
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In the UK she is mainstream and I mean this in no offensive way but ATRLers are quick to write off people who aren't hugely successful in America, it is not the worlds only country or market and an artist who makes it big in Europe is just as viable as an American artist. Florence also played the VMAs last year which is no small feat for a 'local' girl. She is not a nobody, people know who she is, let's see how her next album does now.
Besides, what I have been stating this entire time is my opinion, I haven't been telling anyone how to think or that this is right and this is wrong because that is the thing about opinions, they cannot be wrong. I think that Florence has more potential at mainstream success and longevity outside of a niche than Adele does, just because there is no proof does not mean I can't think it.
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Originally posted by SpaceMan
Florence is like a typical Indie type: weid,average-look,not a big vocal and little to no stage present.One studio album doesn't enough to establish and building hype for her.
Adele is BOLD from her music,her image and performance.People easily draw interest from her.She has critics and Grammy on her site to.Adele wins all the way
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Guffaw。
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
And as much as I LOVE Florence, do you actually think her style of performance will keep her in the pop limelight longer than Adele? I can name so many artists who perform the way she does, yet falls from pop grace. Her style isn't anything new either.
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First of all, Florence has never really been in the pop limelight. Perhaps briefly after her VMA performance, but she is still has a relatively cult-like following. For example, Adele's recent concert sold out in under 2 hours with tickets for $100, and the concert was 4 months away. However, the Florence concert I went to over the summer was $30 and I don't think it was even sold out. I think that proves first of all that they are on completely different levels. However, both are amazing performers, I think we can agree they both had the most stand-out performances at the VMAs (perhaps Beyoncé outshone Adele).
But they are both here to stay. If anything Florence will keep getting more and more successful, while critics will always point out that Adele has not replicated the success of 21, RITD, and SLY. While I'd like to think Adele still has plenty of room to grow, I feel that this could be her peak. However, Florence is nowhere near her peaking point, and I feel that she will just keep on gaining.
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Originally posted by Mayline
Why are you being rude? Sorry, but I haven't heard of Florence before. I didn't even know if it was a band or a singer or whatever when I first opened the thread. That's all.
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Maybe you should have looked her up before posting such an ignorant comment.
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I don't listen to either, i'm in no place to judge.
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Member Since: 6/10/2009
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Originally posted by DejaVu
I think you should allow her to FIND mainstream success before you make bold comments like that. I don't think mainstream will ever be here for her. She'll get some good press here and there but it will quickly fade.
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I doubt Florence will fade away quickly after Ceremonials is released. Because unlike Adele, she is a fashion icon, and fashion pusher. Also, she has a really good promo team; for example Lungs has been in the Top 100 for over a year now. This proves that she will not fade away. Another factor for Florence is that she is really into touring, for Lungs she toured for basically 3 years. The album was released July 2009; she began touring during the spring of that year, and she wrapped up her tour this July. She had a total of 256 tour dates! And finally, Florence had been releasing singles from Lungs up until the VMAs (in the UK). The album had a total of 7 single releases, and many re-formats of the albums.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by sticks
Guffaw。
First of all, Florence has never really been in the pop limelight. Perhaps briefly after her VMA performance, but she is still has a relatively cult-like following. For example, Adele's recent concert sold out in under 2 hours with tickets for $100, and the concert was 4 months away. However, the Florence concert I went to over the summer was $30 and I don't think it was even sold out. I think that proves first of all that they are on completely different levels. However, both are amazing performers, I think we can agree they both had the most stand-out performances at the VMAs (perhaps Beyoncé outshone Adele).
But they are both here to stay. If anything Florence will keep getting more and more successful, while critics will always point out that Adele has not replicated the success of 21, RITD, and SLY. While I'd like to think Adele still has plenty of room to grow, I feel that this could be her peak. However, Florence is nowhere near her peaking point, and I feel that she will just keep on gaining.
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Yes, Florence + The Machine, like many other alternative acts, have cult-followings. And I do agree that this is probably Adele's peak. It's hard to top such a juggernaut like 21. Florence could be in the same position Adele was in with 19 - have decent with the debut but blow up hugely with the follow-up. So, of course Florence has more room to grow, whereas Adele is probably at her peak now.
The thing we should question is, whether or not Florence could breakout in the way Adele did with the type of music she makes. Florence is more like a rock girl, and we haven't seen a huge rock female artist since who... Alanis Morissette? And right now, rock isn't the most popular genre. Adele may have beaten the odds, but I feel that her music is much more safer and appealing than Florence's, while Florence's music is very "out there" and may not reach listeners with low attention spans.  But there is a lot of buzz building up to her album release, so we shall see. I'm here for both.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Yes, Florence + The Machine, like many other alternative acts, have cult-followings. And I do agree that this is probably Adele's peak. It's hard to top such a juggernaut like 21. Florence could be in the same position Adele was in with 19 - have decent with the debut, but blow up hugely with the follow-up. So, of course Florence has more room to grow, while Adele is probably at her peak now.
The thing we should question is, whether or not Florence could breakout in the way Adele did with the type of music she makes. Florence is more like a rock girl, and we haven't see a huge rock female artist since who... Alanis Morissette? And right now, rock isn't the most popular genre. Adele may be have beat the odds, but I feel that her music is much more safer and appealing than Florence's, while Florence's music is very "out there" and may not reach listeners with low attention spans.  But there is a lot of buzz building up to her album release, so we shall see. I'm here for both.
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I completely agree with you. I'm crossing my fingers for both of them. But I definitely agree Florence is more out there than Adele. However, I think Shake It Out has a ton of radio appeal, and could become a hit if marketed correctly.
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Phew. Sticks showed up to put my feelings into articulate sentences. I could never with the Florence receipts.
I'm a casual fan of both but still an avid supporter...if that makes sense.
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I feel like Florence has many more levels to her music and that is what I mean by variety, her music while being distinct, it switches it up which people like and kind of need in an artist.
And as Sticks said, Florence is growing and this does appear to be Adeles peak, thats fine, she won't need to work another day in her life living off of 21.
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Originally posted by Bea.
Phew. Sticks showed up to put my feelings into articulate sentences. I could never with the Florence receipts.
I'm a casual fan of both but still an avid supporter...if that makes sense.
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It's not often I can actually get in an argument like this.
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Member Since: 7/3/2011
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Originally posted by sticks
I doubt Florence will fade away quickly after Ceremonials is released. Because unlike Adele, she is a fashion icon, and fashion pusher. Also, she has a really good promo team; for example Lungs has been in the Top 100 for over a year now. This proves that she will not fade away. Another factor for Florence is that she is really into touring, for Lungs she toured for basically 3 years. The album was released July 2009; she began touring during the spring of that year, and she wrapped up her tour this July. She had a total of 256 tour dates! And finally, Florence had been releasing singles from Lungs up until the VMAs (in the UK). The album had a total of 7 single releases, and many re-formats of the albums.
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LOL. No it doesn't. Those are all just stan hopes and wishes for the future. If the material doesn't connect with mainstream, it doesn't matter how much her "really good promo team" push her.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by sticks
It's not often I can actually get in an argument like this.
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It's interesting to see because you are so calm, I kind of want to egg you on just to see where this goes...

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Originally posted by DejaVu
LOL. No it doesn't. Those are all just stan hopes and wishes for the future. If the material doesn't connect with mainstream, it doesn't matter how much her "really good promo team" push her.
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It does actually, her material clearly did not connect with mainstream last time for the first year, but she finally broke through after almost a year of relentless touring and promotion. Also, from what I've heard of the new album, she clearly has not made a completely different album than Lungs, so she will definitely connect with the same audience she gained last time around, plus the new people she gains as fans.
And she does have a really good promo claim; this summer alone she was featured on Good Morning America (I was there, she was stellar), and Dancing With The Stars. Both performances drove Dog Days into the Top 30. I believe You've Got The Love also reached the Top 50. Where were all the other indie stars who released their albums three years ago?
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Originally posted by Bea.
It's interesting to see because you are so calm, I kind of want to egg you on just to see where this goes...

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I'd love to see someone try me.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by sticks
I'd love to see someone try me.
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I like you and Florence too much, sorry boo.
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Complaining about Adele bandwagoners has itself become a bandwagoning act now.
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Originally posted by Nicole
Complaining about Adele bandwagoners has itself become a bandwagoning act now.
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In complete honesty, I have maybe seen 2 other people do it. I don't pay much attention to anything unless I'm actually conversing though.
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Originally posted by Bea.
In complete honesty, I have maybe seen 2 other people do it. I don't pay much attention to anything unless I'm actually conversing though.
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I didn't mean you though. But I see it all the time, and they're doing the same thing that they're complaining about (just from the opposite end of the spectrum).
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Originally posted by Nicole
I didn't mean you though. But I see it all the time, and they're doing the same thing that they're complaining about (just from the opposite end of the spectrum).
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For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction....I didn't think that applied to stanning but...apparently it does.
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Member Since: 10/3/2009
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Originally posted by Bea.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction....I didn't think that applied to stanning but...apparently it does.
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Physics never discriminates.
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Originally posted by Nicole
Complaining about bandwagoners has itself become a bandwagoning act now.
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Fixed. 
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