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ATRL: Ryan's Grammar Lesson: Lose & Loose
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Originally posted by Good_Doc_Gone_Bad
Since you've already got the first one answered, I'll answer the second one.
By s genitive, I assume your talking about possession? English doesn't have a genitive case (it has three), though other languages do, like Latin. And the genitive case is basically the same as the English Possessive case.
All nouns in a language have the same set of "cases", and English nouns have three:
Subjective
Objective
Possessive | The subject of a sentence or a predicate noun/adjective
Direct objects, Indirect objects, & Objects of prepositions
Belonging to (Possession) |
Here's a sample sentence to put it in perspective:
Beyoncé's baby will rule the world; he or she will be the second coming of Christ. 
As you can see, each noun is in one of the three cases. Now back to possession, looking at the example above, you see that "Beyoncé's" is in the Possessive case. That is indicated by the saxon genitive, which is the " 's ". For most nouns, all you do is add the " 's " to make it show possession. However, there are some changes, depending on A) the number (singular or plural) and B) the noun's ending. See below:
An English thread's host
An English threads' host
An English class' teacher
An English classes' teacher | The host of one English thread
The host of multiple English threads
The teacher of one English class
The teacher of multiple English classes |
So what you need to take from this is that for nouns that do not end in s, use " 's " for singular possession and " s' " for plural possession. For nouns that do end in s, use " ' " for singular possession and " es' " for plural possession.
There are also possessive adjectives, which are not the same as possessive nouns, though they do the same thing-- show possession. They are:
text | SINGULAR | PLURAL | 1st Person | my | our | 2nd Person | your | your | 3rd Person | his, her, its | their |
I hope I answered your question!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Good_Doc_Gone_Bad
Since you've already got the first one answered, I'll answer the second one.
By s genitive, I assume your talking about possession? English doesn't have a genitive case (it has three), though other languages do, like Latin. And the genitive case is basically the same as the English Possessive case.
All nouns in a language have the same set of "cases", and English nouns have three:
Subjective
Objective
Possessive | The subject of a sentence or a predicate noun/adjective
Direct objects, Indirect objects, & Objects of prepositions
Belonging to (Possession) |
Here's a sample sentence to put it in perspective:
Beyoncé's baby will rule the world; he or she will be the second coming of Christ. 
As you can see, each noun is in one of the three cases. Now back to possession, looking at the example above, you see that "Beyoncé's" is in the Possessive case. That is indicated by the saxon genitive, which is the " 's ". For most nouns, all you do is add the " 's " to make it show possession. However, there are some changes, depending on A) the number (singular or plural) and B) the noun's ending. See below:
An English thread's host
An English threads' host
An English class' teacher
An English classes' teacher | The host of one English thread
The host of multiple English threads
The teacher of one English class
The teacher of multiple English classes |
So what you need to take from this is that for nouns that do not end in s, use " 's " for singular possession and " s' " for plural possession. For nouns that do end in s, use " ' " for singular possession and " es' " for plural possession.
There are also possessive adjectives, which are not the same as possessive nouns, though they do the same thing-- show possession. They are:
text | SINGULAR | PLURAL | 1st Person | my | our | 2nd Person | your | your | 3rd Person | his, her, its | their |
I hope I answered your question!
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There is indeed a genitive case in English 
Like you said yourself, some people call it the possessive because we use possessive pronouns, but its lexical term is the genitive. In one of your examples, you marked "Jesus" as the objective noun when it is actually in the genitive (the second coming of Jesus)
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Can you explain the difference between "assume" and "presume"?
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
Can you explain the difference between "assume" and "presume"?
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They're interchangeable.
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Originally posted by £100
There is indeed a genitive case in English 
Like you said yourself, some people call it the possessive because we use possessive pronouns, but its lexical term is the genitive. In one of your examples, you marked "Jesus" as the objective noun when it is actually in the genitive (the second coming of Jesus)
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Hm, I was always taught that English has just 3 cases (P.O.S.) and when I learned Latin, I was taught that I should view the genitive case (in Latin) as the equivalent of the possessive case in England.
Looking back, I agree with that example correction though, because it could be rewritten as "Jesus' second coming". Let me go edit.
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Originally posted by Teen Dreamer
I JUST KNEW IT. By reading the thread title I totally knew you were going to use those examples 
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And I love you for having a sense of humor about it, Oskr boo. 
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Quote:
Originally posted by Good_Doc_Gone_Bad
Hm, I was always taught that English has just 3 cases (P.O.S.) and when I learned Latin, I was taught that I should view the genitive case (in Latin) as the equivalent of the possessive case in England.
Looking back, I agree with that example correction though, because it could be rewritten as "Jesus' second coming". Let me go edit.
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That's strange, as it does exist in English. We don't inflect to create our genitive, though. We use, as you know, apostrophe s, or "of". In Latin, however, the word itself changes a bit. This is also the case in German. Perhaps that's what causes confusion.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Quote:
Originally posted by £100
That's strange, as it does exist in English. We don't inflect to create our genitive, though. We use, as you know, apostrophe s, or "of". In Latin, however, the word itself changes a bit. This is also the case in German. Perhaps that's what causes confusion.
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This is true. There are a good amount of cases, but I think they can all fit into either Subjective, Possessive, or Objective. Would you agree?
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@Doc
Thank You! I got it now, I think!
Gaga's ***** is poppin'.
My ass' shape is cute.
That's this *****'s fault.
I absolutely loathe these Hydrangeas' color, smell, look, size...
Bedtime Stories' best song is Human Nature.
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Is there any difference between nude & naked? 
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Originally posted by Drowned_World
@Doc
Thank You! I got it now, I think!
Gaga's ***** is poppin'.
My ass' shape is cute.
That's this *****'s fault.
I absolutely loathe these Hydrangeas' color, smell, look, size...
Bedtime Stories' best song is Human Nature.
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Is there any difference between nude & naked? 
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Yup, that's all correct!
They are really just synonyms. Though, I guess they have different connotations. One interpretation might be that nude implies more class, while naked is more vulgar. Another might be that naked implies a normal state of being without clothes (i.e. bathing or sex), while nude implies exhibitionism.
The main thing is that they are synonyms and can be freely exchanged.
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Originally posted by Thisisit
CAPITALIZATION IS ALSO IMPORTANT CHILDREN.
For example, someone might help their Uncle Jack off a horse.
On the other hand, Gardner might help his Uncle jack off a horse.
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I see you trying it. I don't know why you're so pressed about my virgin ass. 
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'Loss' should have been in the lesson too.
Noun:
Detriment, disadvantage, or deprivation from failure to keep, have, or get.
Ex: Katy would be at a loss without Dr.Luke.
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