Originally posted by L/\DY G/\G/\

You dont get more attention *****ish than The Fame Monster era...this era was turned down a lot in my opinion. I mean, the baseball game fiascos, the lobster hat, the Alejandro video, the seriousness of her persona. Born This Way shows her persona has more relatable and that has been seen in about every interview. In TFM era and even TF her interviews were....bad. She was off putting and couldnt carry a light hearted conversation, it seemed force. This era her personality is coming through more...and I like it better. Im not here for a tacky bitch with extra long eyelashes, a bad tan, and an origami dress singing songs she wrote when she was 20-21.

Im glad some fans are getting with the program. Gaga doesnt want to be a pure pop act that hops around in leotards. Her sound is developing and this record is a testament to it. Not to mention she put it together in basically less than a year while having 200 tour dates.

Originally posted by Kunt

Doubt it. Unless The Edge of Glory video is mindblowingly amazing.

Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole

Or, in simpler terms, she pushed everything that was so great about her to such disgusting extremes, it became a turn-off for me.

I used to love her crazy fashion. Now, when I see those spikes and constant, desperate attempts to keep topping herself and shock people, I want to slap her.

I used to love her closeness with and appreciation for her fans. Now, when she talks patronizingly about her fans like some cult leader, I cringe and want to slap her.

I used to love her videos. Now, their quality has decreased dramatically due to her constant, desperate (see above) attempts to keep topping herself and shock people.

I used to love her songs with their subtle empowerment messages (true fame comes from within) and subtle odes to the '80s and '90s. Now, well, I don't need to go into detail about her current music's not-so-subtle messages and odes to the past.

Originally posted by babyboy44

have u lately watched the recently released mv's ?

Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole

So here comes the page-long essay, moments after I decried someone for posting page-long essays. You probably don't give a ****, but I needed to say it and I wanted to say it in this thread. This is my Celestial moment, minus the self-contradicting anger.

The problem with BTW stems from Gaga herself. For better or worse, Gaga is the only major popstar whose music actually comes from her and reflects who she is. Since the release of the BTW single, people have said I'm being too hard on her, or that I'm unnecessarily negative. But based on everything Gaga was saying and doing since early 2010 ("Oh Little Monsters, it's ok that you're gay b/c God made you this way and I too was bullied but look at me now!!!!"), I knew she was gearing up to jump the shark. I didn't like who she'd become, and I sensed that her music would suffer directly as a result of that. I hoped I would end up being wrong, so I stuck around for a whole year, but I should have known better.

To be more specific, this problem with Gaga (and with BTW since, as I said, she and her music are one and the same) and the reason I can't stan for her anymore, is that the album isn't really pop. It acts like it's above pop. It's not catchy, or fun, or have huge killer hooks that make the whole world want to just dance. This is a problem for me because the first thing Gaga epicly declared when she burst onto the music scene was "POP MUSIC WILL NEVER BE LOW BROW." Did "never" mean less than 3 years? What happened to that girl? What happened to her sense of fun? Why, after such a bold declaration, is she trying to move away from pop instead of raising the bar within the pop genre? I won't even get into her now-off putting gimmicks. I said page-long essay, not book.

Gaga can act like she's totally unpredictable all she wants, but she's become anything but. I told Perez last fall that based simply on her interviews and videos, BTW was gearing up to be a self-indulgent, fun-free, preachy, bloated mess. At the time he didn't respond, but the other day he told me that he met up with her, remembered my comment, and told her that people miss her former sense of fun, charm and playfulness. He wanted to put it into her consciousness and make sure she's at least aware. So as a fan I've done my part. But I can't act like some other fanbases, and keep clinging to her simply because I'm attached to her. I can't act like those who insist "Godney" is still exciting, when she now offers nothing more than some Ke$ha-lite beats expertly engineered by her fancy team. Or that "Beysus" has an epic new single sooo much better than the demo, when it's actually another sampled mess and the most horrendous aural assault since I can't remember when. Try as I may, I can't be passionate about Lady Gaga anymore and I have to be honest instead of pretending - I was born this way after all and Gaga would want me to be true to myself and honor my e-vomit . Deep down though, I'll always have a spot for her and root for her, since I can't totally erase the last 3 years from consciousness and act like she didn't have a huge effect on me.

Originally posted by BTrisc0392

The thing with me is that sometimes I don't get Gaga or why she shifts her music towards so many different genres, but I know I could never leave her. There are times when I do want to leave her because I worry about the direction she's going in, but I know that I'll come right back. The distinguishing characteristics of Gaga's music I respect most are art and passion.

I love how artistic she is because she keeps everything interesting. From her film and literature references to her infinite number of influences, she keeps things very fresh. Now before haters go off on the whole "fresh" thing, she is not taking hints from her contemporaries, she's taking hints from the legends. We did not live during the age of Madonna, Springsteen, Bowie, etc. so I thoroughly enjoy that she is so inspired by them and experiencing their sound through her.

Her passion means so much to me because with each album she's released, we've seen a different facet of her. I think this is what turned Nicole and Celestial off from her: they didn't like her preachy "love yourself" message. While it can get very annoying from time to time, this is simply an aspect of her vision that is unfolding before us. I respect everything she does, and use what I like from her music and just not use what I don't like. I think a lot of people jump ship because they hear a lot of stuff they don't like and just jump ship. There's plenty of music out there for me to enjoy that I don't feel like I ever need to completely abandon her.

In short, I could get dramatic and leave Gaga forever, but I know that I will crawl back to Gaga for the same reasons I fell in love with her.

Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole

So here comes the page-long essay, moments after I decried someone for posting page-long essays. You probably don't give a ****, but I needed to say it and I wanted to say it in this thread. This is my Celestial moment, minus the self-contradicting anger.

The problem with BTW stems from Gaga herself. For better or worse, Gaga is the only major popstar whose music actually comes from her and reflects who she is. Since the release of the BTW single, people have said I'm being too hard on her, or that I'm unnecessarily negative. But based on everything Gaga was saying and doing since early 2010 ("Oh Little Monsters, it's ok that you're gay b/c God made you this way and I too was bullied but look at me now!!!!"), I knew she was gearing up to jump the shark. I didn't like who she'd become, and I sensed that her music would suffer directly as a result of that. I hoped I would end up being wrong, so I stuck around for a whole year, but I should have known better.

To be more specific, this problem with Gaga (and with BTW since, as I said, she and her music are one and the same) and the reason I can't stan for her anymore, is that the album isn't really pop. It acts like it's above pop. It's not catchy, or fun, or have huge killer hooks that make the whole world want to just dance. This is a problem for me because the first thing Gaga epicly declared when she burst onto the music scene was "POP MUSIC WILL NEVER BE LOW BROW." Did "never" mean less than 3 years? What happened to that girl? What happened to her sense of fun? Why, after such a bold declaration, is she trying to move away from pop instead of raising the bar within the pop genre? I won't even get into her now-off putting gimmicks. I said page-long essay, not book.

Gaga can act like she's totally unpredictable all she wants, but she's become anything but. I told Perez last fall that based simply on her interviews and videos, BTW was gearing up to be a self-indulgent, fun-free, preachy, bloated mess. At the time he didn't respond, but the other day he told me that he met up with her, remembered my comment, and told her that people miss her former sense of fun, charm and playfulness. He wanted to put it into her consciousness and make sure she's at least aware. So as a fan I've done my part. But I can't act like some other fanbases, and keep clinging to her simply because I'm attached to her. I can't act like those who insist "Godney" is still exciting, when she now offers nothing more than some Ke$ha-lite beats expertly engineered by her fancy team. Or that "Beysus" has an epic new single sooo much better than the demo, when it's actually another sampled mess and the most horrendous aural assault since I can't remember when. Try as I may, I can't be passionate about Lady Gaga anymore and I have to be honest instead of pretending - I was born this way after all and Gaga would want me to be true to myself and honor my e-vomit . Deep down though, I'll always have a spot for her and root for her, since I can't totally erase the last 3 years from consciousness and act like she didn't have a huge effect on me.

Originally posted by L/\DY G/\G/\

You dont get more attention *****ish than The Fame Monster era...this era was turned down a lot in my opinion. I mean, the baseball game fiascos, the lobster hat, the Alejandro video, the seriousness of her persona. Born This Way shows her persona has more relatable and that has been seen in about every interview. In TFM era and even TF her interviews were....bad. She was off putting and couldnt carry a light hearted conversation, it seemed force. This era her personality is coming through more...and I like it better. Im not here for a tacky bitch with extra long eyelashes, a bad tan, and an origami dress singing songs she wrote when she was 20-21.

Im glad some fans are getting with the program. Gaga doesnt want to be a pure pop act that hops around in leotards. Her sound is developing and this record is a testament to it. Not to mention she put it together in basically less than a year while having 200 tour dates.

Originally posted by Haus Of Navin

Originally posted by Monster

Beautiful. The lyrics are just too much.