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I am not Christian, but I'm not atheist. I'll just quote the all knowing Celestial:
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Yes. That was such a contradiction. The big bang is an accident, yet they don't believe we're here by accident?
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2.. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. 7 "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as men servants do". In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
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2. A fair price would be market driven. It would depend on where you live, and what the market is willing to pay. Note, however, that even the translation you use does not say slavery, but service. This was an indentured service. Normally it had an end date within seven years; however, in the case of daughters the release after that time was not allowed because the service was essentially an engagement for marriage.
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That's the good ole bible for you.  
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Yes. That was such a contradiction. The big bang is an accident, yet they don't believe we're here by accident?
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The way I read it, Celestial is saying that the higher being created the big bang.
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"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death." Romans 8:2
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The way I read it, Celestial is saying that the higher being created the big bang.
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I somehow missed Celestials origional post but it was beautifully stated
I see how some can conclude that we "must" have been put here by a higher power because of our complexity but i'm the exact opposite. I agree with what Eli said earlier in that life our existence is basically ***** and giggles that a few started taking seriously...
Also, if one believes a higher power gave rise to our reality, wouldn't it logically follow that another higher power created the one who created us? Where does it start?
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I somehow missed Celestials origional post but it was beautifully stated
I see how some can conclude that we "must" have been put here by a higher power because of our complexity but i'm the exact opposite. I agree with what Eli said earlier in that life our existence is basically ***** and giggles that a few started taking seriously...
Also, if one believes a higher power gave rise to our reality, wouldn't it logically follow that another higher power created the one who created us? Where does it start? |
So why when I said the exact same thing its ignored. You ****s upset me 
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I somehow missed Celestials origional post but it was beautifully stated
I see how some can conclude that we "must" have been put here by a higher power because of our complexity but i'm the exact opposite. I agree with what Eli said earlier in that life our existence is basically ***** and giggles that a few started taking seriously...
Also, if one believes a higher power gave rise to our reality, wouldn't it logically follow that another higher power created the one who created us? Where does it start? |
I'm the one who stated that if the big bang is absurd then how is a man in the sky less absurd. I don't believe in the Bible, I don't worship Jesus, & I sure don't believe in the giving yet hypocritically spiteful God in the Bible. I believe that something created us... even if that something is nothing, if that makes sense. That thing I choose to refer to as God, but no I do not believe in the Christian one; I guess in my case "God" is just a substitute for "theory." I'm still trying to figure my thoughts out on afterlife. I constantly question my standing and I'm not afraid to change my views based on fear of going to some fiery dumpster.
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Science > Religion.
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So why when I said the exact same thing its ignored. You ****s upset me |
Awww, that specific post must have got lost amids the debate with Diso.... you know Discos EPIV post overshadow everyone else's 
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Pinter, was that religion thread stating the earth is the center of the universe meant to be comical from the start?
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
I'm the one who stated that if the big bang is absurd then how is a man in the sky less absurd. I don't believe in the Bible, I don't worship Jesus, & I sure don't believe in the giving yet hypocritically spiteful God in the Bible. I believe that something created us... even if that something is nothing, if that makes sense. That thing I choose to refer to as God, but no I do not believe in the Christian one; I guess in my case "God" is just a substitute for "theory." I'm still trying to figure my thoughts out on afterlife. I constantly question my standing and I'm not afraid to change my views based on fear of going to some fiery dumpster.
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Get out of this thread.
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So why when I said the exact same thing its ignored. You ****s upset me |
What did you say? 
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Get out of this thread.
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I will agree on the points made about the bible. I myself, a believer, feel the bible has its man-made parts to fit the era in which it was written but that doesn't rule out the existence of GOD. I feel GOD just isn't what the bible explains. I feel GOD is a spirit rather than a man. I feel the spirit of GOD has no gender and that the spirit is everything. GOD's life is in everything, he drives the universe to its being everyday. I will not believe all of this came from nothing. Science can only prove so much, but the day science 100% proves GOD doesn't exist and the universe was simply created by the collision of solar dust is the day . . . I continue to believe.
Even scientist believe in a higher power and that theory of 'something cant come from nothing'
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Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God is essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion on an intelligent and powerful Being."
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Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
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William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Encyclopedia Britannica says "Maxwell is regarded by most modern physicists as the scientist of the 19th century who had the greatest influence on 20th century physics; he is ranked with Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein for the fundamental nature of his contributions." Lord Kelvin was an Old Earth creationist, who estimated the Earth's age to be somewhere between 20 million and 100 million years, with an upper limit at 500 million years based on cooling rates (a low estimate due to his lack of knowledge about radiogenic heating).
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"Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law"
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Dragging the gerls w/ logic and class all while not forcing your views/opinions down their throats.
The same can't be said for others though. 
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I just copied it all
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I understand how that related to what inspiration4 said but how would one reply to that? You didn't exactly purpose a question, you just made a statement.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
I'm the one who stated that if the big bang is absurd then how is a man in the sky less absurd. I don't believe in the Bible, I don't worship Jesus, & I sure don't believe in the giving yet hypocritically spiteful God in the Bible. I believe that something created us... even if that something is nothing, if that makes sense. That thing I choose to refer to as God, but no I do not believe in the Christian one; I guess in my case "God" is just a substitute for "theory." I'm still trying to figure my thoughts out on afterlife. I constantly question my standing and I'm not afraid to change my views based on fear of going to some fiery dumpster.
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WOW, your "beliefs" are nearly identical to my own... I'm actually an agnostic though I can come off as an athiests since I vocally refuse to even accept the idea of a "christian" god in any way, shape, or form...I can easily accept the idea of a higher power once detached from all the mainstream ideas of what a god inherently is, which again are undoubetdley christian influenced.
Being Agnostic feels natural though as i'm completely comfortable living my life ignorant to the ultimate reality of our very existence. I kind of view our existence in the same way i vew the unknown realm of extraterrestrials, the afterlife, the prelife, and the connection between our "spiritual" and physical selves....Confusing, interesting, and most importantly unknown.
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I understand how that related to what inspiration4 said but how would one reply to that? You didn't exactly purpose a question, you just made a statement. |
Exactly, but i didnt get any feedback 
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