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News: Atheists, agnostics know most about religion, survey says
Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Originally posted by Kirill
Exactly, they're blind. Their whole point is "I believe in God because it makes me feel better".
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See that is such an ignorant thing for you to say. Some people have no respect for people who believe in God and that's wrong. But does it matter? You're just some random people on the Internet.
I never told anyone that it is necessary to believe in God, but I only stated the reason I do. And I don't believe in God because it makes me feel better. I believe in God because God is part of my life. I'm not a very religious person and I haven't been to church in a while, but I've witnessed the miracles that have come out of prayer.
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Member Since: 1/14/2007
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Originally posted by Kirill
Exactly, they're blind. Their whole point is "I believe in God because it makes me feel better".
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Sometimes I just love playing both sides of an argument. When you say that they believe in God because it makes them feel better, what makes that so wrong? We should all do what makes us feel better in life. If believing that Lady Gaga or Beyonce is the second coming of Jesus makes you feel good, then go for it. I only care about people who try to push their beliefs on others and have no respect for other people's opinion.
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Are you aware of what they call, extent of beliefs? There are some who completely believe in God, Jesus Christ, angels, saints, second coming of Christ, heaven and earth, religion. There are some who believe in God but not in Christ, or who believe in Christ but nothing else follows. There are people who believe in God but not in religion. There are even people who believe in different dieties. And there are people who don't believe at all to any but science. I like how the diversity in people's extent of beliefs keeps the equilibrium in this world.
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Originally posted by fabbriche
If it wasn't because of the Spaniards, the whole Philippines would've been either pagans, Muslims or Buddhists by now.
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That was my point. The Spaniards introducing Christianity to your country was the only reason why your friends, your relatives and other Filipinos believe in Jesus and the Bible, not because the "general" consensus there makes Christianity a superior belief. It was forced to your forebears.
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Originally posted by fabbriche
If it wasn't because of the Spaniards, the whole Philippines would've been either pagans, Muslims or Buddhists by now. We, Filipinos, are proud that we are considered the "Light" in Asia, the only Christian nation (apart from East Timor) in a continent of primitive beliefs and antediluvian practices.
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It is okay to feel proud about your heritage, just make sure you do not downgrade others' beliefs. Their beliefs are as valid as yours. If Christianity seems to be more widely accepted around the globe, it's only because the European powers did a damn good job at forcing it on others.
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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No. That's not a way to trivialise other beliefs. My point is being already "enlightened", I can't imagine myself worshipping a lot of idols.
Christianity is the same as Islam. Both have been forced on people in different nations. That's the only way to spread influence during the Middle Ages. That's why it's called colonialism. But that period is over.
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Member Since: 8/14/2007
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Cesar did you watch La Otra Conquista? Such a terrific movie, it shows us how the Spaniards forced Aztecs to believe in Virgin Mary.
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Member Since: 7/30/2010
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I officially declare this the atheist thread ![Alexz](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ec20fb7f.gif)
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Originally posted by What It Seems
I officially declare this the atheist thread ![Alexz](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ec20fb7f.gif)
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by discostickk23
Does anyone realize how bad the world would be if everyone went against God? All people would eventually lose morals and the world would come to an end. It is a person's own choice to believe in God today, but I don't know why anyone is bringing up persecution in the middle ages. Was it God's idea to do that? I don't think so... But the point is, have some respect for people who believe in God
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I told myself not to comment in this thread anymore but i couldn't let this one slide....
Let's start with the fact that it's nothing short of poetic irony that the "holy land" has been one of the most continuously VIOLENT places on earth throughout worldhistory, because of religion.
Secondly, and this is my biggest problem and the entire point point this thread was based on..too many religious people, and christians in particular seems to know NOTHING of what their talking about as examplified by disco's post quoted above...
The bible literally gives detailed instructions for the religious persecution of non-nelievers down to the specific way in which to murder a person. I will post them if you don't accept this fact.
The bible frequently advocates these
***Murder
*** the owning of slaves
***selling ones daughter as a slave
***KILLING those who believe in a any god that is not the chrisitian one (after informed they shouldn't......cough......crusades)
and much, much more. Yes you can have your beliefs, but when your beliefs seek to invade and harm my reality we will always have a problem....DEAL with it ![:)](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by discostickk23
And who has helped us overcome wars, hate, and injustice? God.
I don't what kind of God you are talking about, but the God I believe in is totally against all the things you listed.
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Allow me to introduce you to the BIBLE
KILL ALL UNBELIEVERS...
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"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5)
"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)
"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)
"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)
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you really should take the time to read the bible.... Very interesting
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Originally posted by inspiration4
I told myself not to comment in this thread anymore but i couldn't let this one slide....
Let's start with the fact that it's nothing short of poetic irony that the "holy land" has been one of the most continuously VIOLENT places on earth throughout worldhistory, because of religion.
Secondly, and this is my biggest problem and the entire point point this thread was based on..too many religious people, and christians in particular seems to know NOTHING of what their talking about as examplified by disco's post quoted above...
The bible literally gives detailed instructions for the religious persecution of non-nelievers down to the specific way in which to murder a person. I will post them if you don't accept this fact.
The bible frequently advocates these
***Murder
*** the owning of slaves
***selling ones daughter as a slave
***KILLING those who believe in a any god that is not the chrisitian one (after informed they shouldn't......cough......crusades)
and much, much more. Yes you can have your beliefs, but when your beliefs seek to invade and harm my reality we will always have a problem....DEAL with it ![:)](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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If you were trying to prove some kind of point about God and the Bible, it didn't work, so nice job typing all that pathetic nonsense.
How many years ago was the bible written? Would you expect a book written today to be interpreted the same way if read in another 2000 years? You also forget to mention that a majority of the bible promotes love and security in the word of God. I don't know if you've ever been to Church, but I have been. Never in my life have I heard words the promote hate in any way as you see it to be.
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Member Since: 7/30/2010
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Christians are annoying in this thread like Xtina stans in any other threads
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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I really hope some of you don't celebrate Christmas...
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Originally posted by discostickk23
I really hope some of you don't celebrate Christmas...
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Christmas (among other holidays) has secular origins. Christians put religious meaning into it and that's perfectly fine, but it's not exclusively a religious holiday. Not even close. And if that's not what you were insinuating, then nevermind haha
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Originally posted by discostickk23
I really hope some of you don't celebrate Christmas...
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of course I do, I get gifts ![Alexz](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ec20fb7f.gif)
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Well Christmas is a religious holiday since it celebrates the birth of Christ...if you don't believe in Jesus I don't see the reason for celebrating it.
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Member Since: 7/30/2010
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Originally posted by Last Boy on Earth
of course I do, I get gifts ![Alexz](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ec20fb7f.gif)
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+ 1000 , like anyone really remember that it is "jesus"'s birthday anyway
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Originally posted by What It Seems
+ 1000 , like anyone really remember that it is "jesus"'s birthday anyway
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Of course people do....why do people even exchange gifts? In remembrance of Christ and his birth of course.
Notice the greed and immorality of some of you people ![rolleyes](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by discostickk23
If you were trying to prove some kind of point about God and the Bible, it didn't work, so nice job typing all that pathetic nonsense.
How many years ago was the bible written? Would you expect a book written today to be interpreted the same way if read in another 2000 years? You also forget to mention that a majority of the bible promotes love and security in the word of God. I don't know if you've ever been to Church, but I have been. Never in my life have I heard words the promote hate in any way as you see it to be.
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DiscoStick you are truly amazing. A genius if i ever met one...
Exactly how did i FAIL when i quoted the bible? You said the bible was not to be blamed for religious persecution and the bible itself OWNED your statement, not me.
And yes i'm very familiar with going to church as i was raised catholic and i attended catholic school from preschool until i was 14....problem is that i always had quesitons, which does not bode well with any religion.
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also, i celebrate "christmas" as another Thanksgiving. It's a day to be around those who you love, exchange gifts with some, eat amazing food, and have a wonderful time.
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Member Since: 10/28/2009
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Originally posted by discostickk23
Well Christmas is a religious holiday since it celebrates the birth of Christ...if you don't believe in Jesus I don't see the reason for celebrating it.
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Supposedly Christmas has origins as a pagan holiday that was celebrated long before the birth of Jesus. Celebrating Christmas is different than celebrating the birth of Jesus. Christmas has widespread celebrations even in places with small Christian followings. Modern day Christmas does not celebrate the birth of Jesus as Christian Christmas doesn't celebrate its pagan origins.
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