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News: Are We Facing a Genderless Future?
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
I believe that whatever you are born with...that's what you are. No matter if you want to be a female, if you aren't physically, you are NOT a female. You can continue to do female things and whatnot, but no you are not a female. Same thing goes for vice versa.
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That's a nasty can of worms you're opening. Sexually, you're right (unless they get a full sex change), but gender-wise it's different--as stated in the article. If you were born a man but you feel like you're a woman in a man's body, well, that makes you a woman in the TS community. Of course, if you complete a sex change, then you're legally a woman as well. It's difficult for non-trans people to comprehend (myself included), but feeling like you were born in the wrong body is a real and diagnosable condition.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
That's a nasty can of worms you're opening. Sexually, you're right (unless they get a full sex change), but gender-wise it's different--as stated in the article. If you were born a man but you feel like you're a woman in a man's body, well, that makes you a woman in the TS community. Of course, if you complete a sex change, then you're legally a woman as well. It's difficult for non-trans people to comprehend (myself included), but feeling like you were born in the wrong body is a real and diagnosable condition.
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Yes, you are right. But with some miscalculations. If you are a man, but feel like a female, you're still a man. If you get a sex-change, then yes, you are female. People can think they are in the wrong body, because it may be true. But until you get a sex-change, whatever you are physically you are
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
I believe that whatever you are born with...that's what you are. No matter if you want to be a female, if you aren't physically, you are NOT a female. You can continue to do female things and whatnot, but no you are not a female. Same thing goes for vice versa.
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And what if you're born with 'ambiguous genitalia'? I once knew someone who was intersex and when they moved away I heard a year later they'd tried to kill themselves because they'd been raised as female after a doctor was forced to make a decision about what they looked most like at birth
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Originally posted by NE.
That's what the MEDIA wants you to think. It's a shame that so many people don't realize there is a strong corrupt hidden agenda.
And I sure hope that we aren't entering a future like that. Homosexuality is one thing, but not being able to even tell what gender people are anymore is just, No. We're living in an era where a stupid minority wants to challenge everything as discrimination or labeling just because they can't solve their own self issues and expect people to accept them as "normal".
I understand hermaphodites exist, but we can't have regular men and women running around calling themselves the opposite sex based on what they "feel" or when it's convenient for them. There has to be some fine line of demarkation, and it seems like society nowadays is trying to erase every line because it's "ignorant".  |
Not the media. The academy.
And history is full of conceptions and things assumed by everybody being knocked down.
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Originally posted by StarryEyed
And what if you're born with 'ambiguous genitalia'? I once knew someone who was intersex and when they moved away I heard a year later they'd tried to kill themselves because they'd been raised as female after a doctor was forced to make a decision about what they looked most like at birth
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And if they are born with ambiguous genitalia then that makes them a hermaphrodite until they get a sex change (usually at birth)
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
Yes, you are right. But with some miscalculations. If you are a man, but feel like a female, you're still a man. If you get a sex-change, then yes, you are female. People can think they are in the wrong body, because it may be true. But until you get a sex-change, whatever you are physically you are
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I disagree. If I knew somebody in real life who was pre-op and wanted to be referred to as the other gender (the one they think they should be), I would refer to them that way. I don't see the hardship in bending your mind around it a bit. Legally, of course, you're right. But that doesn't mean it's morally sound.
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To continue my last post, things and conception that are taken for granted today weren't like that years ago. The world moves by these kind of debates and choices. And the fact that our way of classifying men and women right now as men and women doesn't mean that's the only way to classify or the right way to do so. In fact some cultures have three genders, and the third gender is sometimes deifyed.
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Originally posted by NE.
That's what the MEDIA wants you to think. It's a shame that so many people don't realize there is a strong corrupt hidden agenda.
And I sure hope that we aren't entering a future like that. Homosexuality is one thing, but not being able to even tell what gender people are anymore is just, No. We're living in an era where a stupid minority wants to challenge everything as discrimination or labeling just because they can't solve their own self issues and expect people to accept them as "normal".
I understand hermaphodites exist, but we can't have regular men and women running around calling themselves the opposite sex based on what they "feel" or when it's convenient for them. There has to be some fine line of demarkation, and it seems like society nowadays is trying to erase every line because it's "ignorant". |
Just because this movement is gaining more exposure in the media doesn't mean it will happen en masse or everyone will become sexually ambiguous. Stop being such a conspiracy theorist and use some common sense. "Normal" people will still want to remain "normal." Aside from oddballs like the person in this article most transgendered people don't actually want to bear the burden of their condition. Just like how gay people don't choose to be gay.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
I disagree. If I knew somebody in real life who was pre-op and wanted to be referred to as the other gender (the one they think they should be), I would refer to them that way. I don't see the hardship in bending your mind around it a bit. Legally, of course, you're right. But that doesn't mean it's morally sound.
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If they want to be called a different gender...then so be it. Who can stop them? But technically they are not since it was pre-op.
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
And if they are born with ambiguous genitalia then that makes them a hermaphrodite until they get a sex change (usually at birth)
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Well then you're admitting it isn't black and white. And even then the gender that gets assigned to them they don't necessarily feel comfortable in even if they don't know the truth about their birth
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Originally posted by Last Boy on Earth
we should be all the same sex, at least there wouldn't be any discrimination
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Member Since: 5/1/2007
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
If they want to be called a different gender...then so be it. Who can stop them? But technically they are not since it was pre-op.
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Gender is different from sex, according to our current definitions, that's the whole point. The first one is socially constructed whilst the second one is biologically determined at birth.
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Originally posted by StarryEyed
Well then you're admitting it isn't black and white. And even then the gender that gets assigned to them they don't necessarily feel comfortable in even if they don't know the truth about their birth
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I never said that it WASN'T black and white. And I know for a fact it isn't, since people want to be a different gender and can call themselves a different gender. The gender that gets assigned to them is their gender whether they want it to be or not. You can always get a sex change if you don't want that gender.
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
If they want to be called a different gender...then so be it. Who can stop them? But technically they are not since it was pre-op.
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Sure but I think the point of this article is that people should look beyond the technical. Why keep that mindset if you know you would respect what they want in the first place?
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
Sure but I think the point of this article is that people should look beyond the technical. Why keep that mindset if you know you would respect what they want in the first place?
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Well since you put it that way, then I would have to change my position if they are trying to look beyond the technical
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
I never said that it WASN'T black and white. And I know for a fact it isn't, since people want to be a different gender and can call themselves a different gender. The gender that gets assigned to them is their gender whether they want it to be or not. You can always get a sex change if you don't want that gender.
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Well I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't believe your gender identity and your physicality always match up. I never really thought about it until I met someone like that, I didn't even realise you could be intersex or be 'assigned' a gender. I don't think it's necessarily wanting to be another gender, they just don't feel they're the right gender and honestly it must be pretty scary.
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Member Since: 12/24/2009
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
I believe that whatever you are born with...that's what you are. No matter if you want to be a female, if you aren't physically, you are NOT a female. You can continue to do female things and whatnot, but no you are not a female. Same thing goes for vice versa.
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Period. That's the plain fact of the matter.
And who is that is your avy? She looks so cute!
Is that Gaga???
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