So maybe the topic of drugs didn't you all going a whole lot, but you must have a whole to say on the subject of LOVE, right?! Well, check out this crazy case and then let me know what you think!
Episode 2: A Twisted Three-Week Relationship
With that, I open the floor up to you, fellow ATRL-ers:
How do you define love?
Have you ever been in love? What was it like?
Do you even believe that is love is real? Or are we just confounded by other factors (sex, money, social mores, familial expectations, etc.)?
What kind of love life do you see for yourself in the future? Are romantic relationships important to you?
And how about that case? Whose side are you on? Do you believe that woman is crazy for doing what she did? Or do you understand where she is coming from? What would you do for love?
Alright, let's get talking!
"Case dimissed! Bring in the dancing lobsters!" (3:07)
I've never been romantically in love, so it would be inappropriate of me to be involved in this discussion.
Not at all. I'm not sure I've ever been romantically in love either, but that doesn't mean I don't think about love and relationships a lot. I feel like this a subject that can be important to everyone in different ways. That's why I tried to include a variety of questions. You can lead the discussion in whatever direction is relevant to you. I just want to get ATRL talking.
I think that love doesn't exist. Well, not concretely as a solid single entity but rather as a composite of all emotional characteristics.
That's a really interesting take on it. And I absolutely love the way you phrased it. I'm not sure love doesn't exist, but otherwise, I'm inclined to agree with you. I generally start developing stronger feelings towards someone because we have already connected on an emotional level as friends first.
That's a really interesting take on it. And I absolutely love the way you phrased it. I'm not sure love doesn't exist, but otherwise, I'm inclined to agree with you. I generally start developing stronger feelings towards someone because we have already connected on an emotional level as friends first.
I see. I believe that love can be defined in many layers on how you perceived it to be. Some might say that love is actually the act of letting go, while others would want to digress from the noble path. It varies from one perspective to the other. I think it is conclusiveness of the "love" as an intimate thread between two reciprocating subjects that most of us failed to see it on a greater picture.
Love is only the term coined for the attachment we have to the subject, but the emotional responses we have towards them are driven by a lot of factors. Thus, saying "love doesn't exist" is somewhat can be considered as a universal truth.
BUT in the same exact pattern, the quote above can be reversible. "Love exists" everywhere. We have just have to strip it and apply it systematically. Whether if it's a negative or a positive cause, it's unimportant. For example, friendship is love on a simple platform. But it can be called compatibility as well.
Therefore, love is general term of our attachment of what we try to covet.
I see. I believe that love can be defined in many layers on how you perceived it to be. Some might say that love is actually the act of letting go, while others would want to digress from the noble path. It varies from one perspective to the other. I think it is conclusiveness of the "love" as an intimate thread between two reciprocating subjects that most of us failed to see it on a greater picture.
Love is only the term coined for the attachment we have to the subject, but the emotional responses we have towards them are driven by a lot of factors. Thus, saying "love doesn't exist" is somewhat can be considered as a universal truth.
BUT in the same exact pattern, the quote above can be reversible. "Love exists" everywhere. We have just have to strip it and apply it systematically. Whether if it's a negative or a positive cause, it's unimportant. For example, friendship is love on a simple platform. But it can be called compatibility as well.
Therefore, love is general term of our attachment of what we try to covet.
IDK
You don't know?! No way! That was a really deep, well-thought out argument.
I certainly think that love is driven by a lot of factors, but doesn't simply the fact that we've given it a name means it exist? Love may very well be a concept we invented in order to classify some physical reaction we don't truly understand, or it may very well be something real, pure, emotional, spiritual, etc. But either way, it's hard to deny the impact that it has on all of our lives and in society at large.
Love may very well be a concept we invented in order to classify some physical reaction we don't truly understand,
Sounds like an indirect concurrence to my previous statement.
Apparently, I'm still in a state of confusion here and I have yet to fully understand the concept of love. It's hard to put words on something you haven't even acquired the definition for it yourself.
Sounds like an indirect concurrence to my previous statement.
Apparently, I'm still in a state of confusion here and I have yet to fully understand the concept of love. It's hard to put words on something you haven't even acquired the definition for it yourself.
But for now, I stand by my own convicitons.
No, I do agree with you. I think I may have just expressed myself poorly.
I think it's hard to know what "love" is until suddenly, you've felt. All our lives, we get this perception of what "love" should mean to us from society, our families, our friends, the media, etc. But at some point, we'll finally feel whatever "love" is to us and then maybe we'll begin to understand.
Another thing I always think it's interesting to hear are people's thoughts about where they see themselves in the future. So:
What kind of love life do you see for yourself? Are romantic relationships important to you?
I would say that, for myself, I always I would get married and have kids. I used to say that I didn't want to get married until at least my late 20s and I didn't want to have kids until at least my 30s, because I wanted to have interesting experiences and then establish my own life before all that. But now I'm almost 20 and I've never even been in a relationship! Obviously, that's all still a long time away, but I can honestly say that the thought of it has begun to give me some anxiety...
So what about all of you? What's your opinion on the matter?
I thought that would be an interesting discussion point, but I guess not... Anyways, here are a couple more crazy love-related cases for you to check out:
A Twisted Love Triangle
A Love Triangle Busted Wide Open
Any thoughts about these cases? Love triangles? Cheating in general?
It seems that except for akrl, who was incredibly thought-provoking on the manner, none of you had anything to say about love either... But that's okay! Surely all of you have had experience with today's subject matter: bullying.
Episode 3: Beaten Up in a Parking Lot
With that, I open the floor up to you, fellow ATRL-ers:
Have you ever been bullied? How did you deal with it? How did it make you feel?
Did things ever get physical? What's worse: emotional or physical torment?
On the flip side, have you ever done any bullying yourself? Why?
What about on-line bullying? How does that compare?
And how about that case? What did you think of what happened? How would you have handled it?
Alright, let's get talking!
"Case dimissed! Bring in the dancing lobsters!" (3:07)
Question for arkl: Did you even watch the Judge Judy clip on the two week tumultuous relationship case? You should watch it if you didn't. Really that clip from my perception is the last chapter of a short novel that had two threads: a scam artist and a giver. Although there was really no love about it except that the woman was falling for a man whom she met for couple days and willing to give her life up for him after a week or so ... absurd to even call it "love" when it is clearly her infatuation. However like you guys said and people already know that love can be defined by whatever ways you see.
Arkl, you are right, you need to experience love to know how it feels like. Young people see love as defined by what they see in media, family, friends, etc (like supaspaz said).
Thank you for coming arkl!
Love as I see it is a deep connection and feeling you have for someone at one point in time, however it doesn't necessary will last forever. I found your statement that love doesn't exist to be very depressing when you haven't felt it yet. Everyone is different and love is different in many ways. Some find it that love can be small acts of gestures or extreme sexual intercourse with someone. Or love can be friendship like the "platform" you mentioned. *cough cough platonic love*
To say that love doesn't exist and that is a universally accepted fact can be too much and I think you pulled the trigger to fast there. Like the episode of that Thai woman and the Arkansan man, you are witnessing an end chapter to their short relationship. What you are doing is jumping the gun there. We all know that if you read a book and just read the last chapter seeing the conclusion you may be disappointed, but what you are missing out are the other chapters. Those other chapters could be very wonderful and filled with many characteristics of love. Love comes in all shapes and forms. Love does not have to be permanent. Love comes different stages. If your definition of love that it has to be sustainable for eternity or for a lifetime then you are mistaken. That is a dream. Love will not stretch that long just for the sake that people change each and every second, ... which will lead to minute, then to hour, ... year, decade, then generation. It's a matter of rebuilding that old love.
Hope you didn't feel I attacked you; they are my opinion. Sorry!
Question for supaspaz, Tinkerbell, and amandatheafter: Did you promote this thread more when I advised you two days ago? I am very disappointed in all three of you. Especially the team leader amandatheafter, you're not even in the discussion of Episode 2. Supaspaz you did a heck a job with this show. I applaud you for it!! Lack of promotion makes this thread loosing out to the other two. However, I can already see superb quality in this show and it shall not go unnoticed when we judge your threads.
To say that love doesn't exist and that is a universally accepted fact can be too much and I think you pulled the trigger to fast there. Like the episode of that Thai woman and the Arkansan man, you are witnessing an end chapter to their short relationship. What you are doing is jumping the gun there. We all know that if you read a book and just read the last chapter seeing the conclusion you may be disappointed, but what you are missing out are the other chapters. Those other chapters could be very wonderful and filled with many characteristics of love. Love comes in all shapes and forms. Love does not have to be permanent. Love comes different stages. If your definition of love that it has to be sustainable for eternity or for a lifetime then you are mistaken. That is a dream. Love will not stretch that long just for the sake that people change each and every second, ... which will lead to minute, then to hour, ... year, decade, then generation. It's a matter of rebuilding that old love.
I don't mean to suggest that love doesn't exist, or that that is somehow a universally accepted fact. However, I do think love is not all we perceive it to be sometimes. The media, especially, has had a strong hand in making us believe that love is just some magic thing that will be there if it is real. But as you said, love is something you have to work at; and as akrl said, love is a conglomeration of other feelings. I would say that those two things are related.
So KT&T, have you ever been in love? I ask, because you seem to have a very strong, confident opinion on the matter.
Question for supaspaz, Tinkerbell, and amandatheafter: Did you promote this thread more when I advised you two days ago? I am very disappointed in all three of you. Especially the team leader amandatheafter, you're not even in the discussion of Episode 2. Supaspaz you did a heck a job with this show. I applaud you for it!! Lack of promotion makes this thread loosing out to the other two. However, I can already see superb quality in this show and it shall not go unnoticed when we judge your threads.
I don't know. I mean, I tried. I'm not really sure what I supposed to do. Besides, I thought Tinkerbell and amandatheafter would take care of that.
Question for arkl: Did you even watch the Judge Judy clip on the two week tumultuous relationship case? You should watch it if you didn't. Really that clip from my perception is the last chapter of a short novel that had two threads: a scam artist and a giver. Although there was really no love about it except that the woman was falling for a man whom she met for couple days and willing to give her life up for him after a week or so ... absurd to even call it "love" when it is clearly her infatuation. However like you guys said and people already know that love can be defined by whatever ways you see.
Arkl, you are right, you need to experience love to know how it feels like. Young people see love as defined by what they see in media, family, friends, etc (like supaspaz said).
Thank you for coming arkl!
Love as I see it is a deep connection and feeling you have for someone at one point in time, however it doesn't necessary will last forever. I found your statement that love doesn't exist to be very depressing when you haven't felt it yet. Everyone is different and love is different in many ways. Some find it that love can be small acts of gestures or extreme sexual intercourse with someone. Or love can be friendship like the "platform" you mentioned. *cough cough platonic love*
To say that love doesn't exist and that is a universally accepted fact can be too much and I think you pulled the trigger to fast there. Like the episode of that Thai woman and the Arkansan man, you are witnessing an end chapter to their short relationship. What you are doing is jumping the gun there. We all know that if you read a book and just read the last chapter seeing the conclusion you may be disappointed, but what you are missing out are the other chapters. Those other chapters could be very wonderful and filled with many characteristics of love. Love comes in all shapes and forms. Love does not have to be permanent. Love comes different stages. If your definition of love that it has to be sustainable for eternity or for a lifetime then you are mistaken. That is a dream. Love will not stretch that long just for the sake that people change each and every second, ... which will lead to minute, then to hour, ... year, decade, then generation. It's a matter of rebuilding that old love.
Hope you didn't feel I attacked you; they are my opinion. Sorry!
No. Not at all.
What I'm trying to say is that "love", compared to a physical object for analogy, does not occupy a point in space, but rather the elements ....
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Originally posted by arkl
..of our attachment of what we try to covet.
As I said previously, love is a general and broader term/reaction of our specific emotions. Hence, love doesn't exist exclusively but collectively.
Well at least in my country. Bullying was never really a big issue maybe because of the prevailing positive attitude that was imposed in all of us and maybe because of the unclassified factions in the school. The nerds can hang-out with the cheerleaders and everyone can easily compromise to each other's preference.
Lack of promotion makes this thread loosing out to the other two. However, I can already see superb quality in this show and it shall not go unnoticed when we judge your threads.